Beamer wrote on Sep 3, 2019, 07:50:
Razumen wrote on Sep 3, 2019, 00:08:
NKD wrote on Sep 2, 2019, 21:39:
Razumen wrote on Sep 2, 2019, 21:04:
Again, who said he's innocent?
People being against unchecked mob justice is not the same as saying he's innocent.
Several people attacking Zoe Quinn seem to think that because she is involved, the allegations are false. A couple examples. I'm sure there are more if you really want to dig into this thread and the previous one. If it was just Zoe Quinn, I wouldn't believe a word of the allegations either. But with all the other accusers, no claim of innocence from himself, and his sister basically admitting the was a creep, focusing on Zoe Quinn is absolutely a transparent way to dismiss the accusations.
Nidian wrote on Sep 2, 2019, 00:55:
That's the problem... she has proven herself, based upon her own actions & past deeds, to be nothing more than a manipulative liar. And like the ending to the boy who cried wolf... "Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!"
Icewind wrote on Sep 1, 2019, 23:47:
Even better, Zoe stole the money, spent it all on a vacation, did zero work on the game, and Chuck now vehemently denies he was ever a part of the game and claims he never accepted anything.
She's a liar, a cheat, a manipulator, and a talent-less troll that blackmails others for money. That's her job.
Anyone defending her is clueless.
To be fair, they're not really arguing that he is for sure innocent, just that Zoe isn't really the paragon of trustworthiness. The character of the accuser is a completely relevant factor to take into account when judging the likelihood that the alleged events actually took place.
Of course we have multiple other sources that (vaguely) confirm the allegations, so it's extremely likely that they are mostly true. But given Zoe's past actions, it is reasonable to be doubtful of the full extent of her claims in particular.
They don't vaguely confirm her allegations, they were making similar accusations before she made hers. They're entirely separate allegations. Even if Zoe Quinn wasn't involved, which is preferable to anyone, you have multiple allegations of this.
And literally not one person defending him that knows him. Yet plenty defending him here that didn't, while going on the offense on his attackers (if you want to know why most women don't come forward, go read a transcript of a rape trial some time, and see how relevant the character of the accuser becomes. A woman can go through her entire sexual history while on the witness stand, in front of dozens of people and likely her immediate family, or she can just try to move on without making an accusation.)
Maybe none are saying he's 100% innocent, but there are certainly many here implying they believe he is, or innocent enough that this never should have been said on twitter.
Again, if it's something other women should know about, and something that's a pattern of behavior, why should it be kept in secret?
Yes, they vaguely confirm his overall character, if not specific actions, and I say vaguely because they don't go into specific details, which is very important.
If they're entirely separate allegations, then Zoe's allegations are hers alone, and have to stand on her own merits. Considering her character and lack of evidence, then I'd say they're pretty shaky, regardless of what others say. By all accounts, she sounds like her past actions have deservedly opened her up to such criticism.
"Again, if it's something other women should know about, and something that's a pattern of behavior, why should it be kept in secret?"
Here's a better question: why should it be broadcast to anyone and everyone on the planet, to people that the accused will never ever meet, or even talk to in their lifetime? ESPECIALLY in cases where everything being alleged is on hearsay alone? This is not necessary to keep people safe.
And no, I never said it should be kept secret, why must things always be in extremes for you?