Simon Says wrote on Sep 1, 2019, 20:16:

Atun Desenfrenado wrote on Sep 1, 2019, 12:28:
Killed by #MeToo

So words killed him? Not the choice he made to kill himself?

As long as no free will infringement occurs, you can't put the blame on free speech. Her words didn't force him to freely choose to commit suicide.

Did it have an impact? Probably, just as an allergen can have an impact on the death of someone who is allergic to that allergen, but is it the allergen's fault or the fault of the immune system for overreacting?

You see, even in the case of removing the choice from the equation, by making it mechanic and automatic, you still can't clearly put the blame on the source of the stimuli. The same stimuli on someone else would've been completely harmless. It's not a case of bullet vs body.

Between choosing to force people to censor themselves ( committing a free will infringement with assured negative consequences, and sometimes also suicides ), or respecting their free will with sometimes negative consequences. I'll choose the latter, every time. It's the only logical choice.

Forcing them to shut up will lead to suffering and suicides, more often than letting them talk, but letting them talk will also lead to suffering and suicides. So it's not where we should focus our attention on solving this problem. See below.

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Now with all that said, should there be a system in place to deal with this away from the public eye in an efficient fashion? Yes. But it seems we still aren't ready for that, so when this system fails ( 1 in 3 women will be raped in their lifetime, THINK ABOUT IT, ONE IN THREE, and only a small minority of these rapes lead to convictions ), the only recourse is going public, because the SYSTEM HAS FAILED.

And education/cult-ure failed too, why are men raping on such an epidemic scale? Stop blaming the victims. It's not the women's fault, women don't rape men ( nowhere near as often as men do ), it's the men doing the vast majority of the raping. Why?

That's the real question, that's the root of the problem and it's there we must focus and act to solve it.

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EDIT: Oh BTW, if people think I don't have a problem with letting women talk because I never got accused of something I wasn't. Got bad news for you, I was, at age 6. I got accused of pedophilia at age six and the whole school and village knew and a lot believed it.

At first you could jump to the conclusion that free speech was the problem, but it wasn't. The problem was the belief that existed back then that pedophilia was a sickness transmitted from father to son and so on. So if my grandfather, father of my father, had been found guilty of sexual abuse on a minor, then, by virtue of this bullshit belief, my dad was, so me too.

They were motivated by fear and delusions, so let's not repeat this mistake again here.

Since then this belief has gone the way of the dodo, fortunately, but I lived with the consequences of this accusation and ensuing ostracization/bullying/persecution/psychological scars for decades. I KNOW VERY WELL WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE. And even despite this, I still hold strong that we should NOT muzzle women. THINK ABOUT THIS.