G2A Refutes Unknown Worlds' Claim [Updated]

A post from G2A strikes back at Unknown Worlds for their recent allegation that G2A owes them $300K. Charlie Cleveland tweeted the claim based on G2A's promise to reimburse developers tenfold for credit card chargebacks caused by G2A's services (thanks PC Gamer). G2A claims the alleged theft and sale of the Subnautica keys in question took place before they existed, saying this makes Charlie's statement on the topic slander. If it was false, such a statement would actually be libel, but that's probably beside the point. Here's their response:
Launched in 2014, G2A Marketplace was celebrating its 5th birthday this year. The said keys were allegedly stolen and sold before March 8, 2013 – 6 years ago. Charlie wrote: “We paid $30,000 to deal with credit card chargebacks because of G2A.” That’s just slander, and we expect him to at least edit his posts, if not straight up apologize.

However, if Charlie Cleveland would like us to hire a professional auditing company to check if the keys from before 2014 appeared on a non-existing marketplace, we encourage him to contact the G2A Direct team, as per the initial offer.
Update: Charlie Cleveland tweets a reply:
In response to @G2A_com blog post (g2a.com/news/latest/de…):

You were already selling game keys through go2arena.com (your original trading name, now redirects to (link: G2a.com):

web.archive.org/web/2013013105…
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Sepharo wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 23:13:
Blue the link is still messed up

Oops, sorry. Missed that.

It's fixed now.
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RedEye9 wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 16:20:
Warskull wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 15:00:

They don't give a shit, they are incorporated in Hong Kong. China isn't going to do anything.

Good advice for companies that aren't immune to legal action.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong
Sovereignty over the territory was transferred to China in 1997.

in which the United Kingdom agreed to transfer the colony in 1997, and China would guarantee Hong Kong's economic and political systems for 50 years after the transfer

Yes, reading the link is so out of fashion that not even you do it anymore.
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Ugh, $30,000 worth of chargebacks to the developer!?!? That can't be sustainable for smaller studios.

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Blue the link is still messed up
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RedEye9 wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 19:31:
Prez wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 17:15:
I believe the word is "libel", not "liable".
Good catch, I thought that didn't read right.

Careful, I'm liable to accuse you of slander.
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Prez wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 17:15:
I believe the word is "libel", not "liable".
Good catch, I thought that didn't read right.
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Prez wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 17:15:
I believe the word is "libel", not "liable".

No, that's correct in this context. Blue is referring to their legal liability. And G2A has it wrong regardless. If Unknown Worlds was making a false claim it would be fraud, not slander - which would actually be libel because it's in print. The moral of the story? Stop giving G2A free press.
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RedEye9 wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 16:20:
Warskull wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 15:00:

They don't give a shit, they are incorporated in Hong Kong. China isn't going to do anything.

Good advice for companies that aren't immune to legal action.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong
Sovereignty over the territory was transferred to China in 1997.

Which caused John Woo to make Hard Boiled. So something awesome came out of that...
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Aug 14, 2019, 17:52
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Update: Apparently Charlie now admits he was wrong.
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Hey Blue your quote of their tweet has the web archive url as simply the old url of g2a... it should be to the archive link as it is in their tweet, since that's kind of the point, to show the old archived site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130131053446/http://www.go2arena.com/

It might be that either your posting software messed it up, or that they originally messed it up in the tweet and updated it afterwards

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G2A quickly comes up with excuses to not have to abide by their horseshit promise. I am shocked, Cotton!
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I believe the word is "libel", not "liable".
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mxmissile wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 16:43:
What am I missing here? Why are developers having to eat chargebacks? Wouldn't that be the responsibility of the store selling the keys? ie Steam, GMG etc
Read more here - https://www.bluesnews.com/s/201523/g2a-fights-back
It is for keys purchased from the devs store with stolen credit cards and then resold on G2A.
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What am I missing here? Why are developers having to eat chargebacks? Wouldn't that be the responsibility of the store selling the keys? ie Steam, GMG etc
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Warskull wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 15:00:

They don't give a shit, they are incorporated in Hong Kong. China isn't going to do anything.

Good advice for companies that aren't immune to legal action.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong
Sovereignty over the territory was transferred to China in 1997.
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Warskull wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 15:00:
They don't give a shit, they are incorporated in Hong Kong. China isn't going to do anything.

Good advice for companies that aren't immune to legal action.

Hong Kong has autonomy in China. That means any company incorporated there would fall under HK's legal jurisdiction, not China's. Since HK is a member of the British Hague Convention (being a former British colony), they typically follow the legal procedures of western law and courtroom proceedings. There is a process for bringing a lawsuit against a company in HK. English, for example, instead of Chinese, is adequate, so that eliminates the timely and costly need to translates documents. The rulings against an incorporated Hong Kong company is about the same as you would expect in the UK and by extension the US. Hence the need to not discuss legal matters online and especially when rank-amateur words like "slander" and "straight up" are tossed around.

Edit: For clarification

This comment was edited on Aug 14, 2019, 16:03.
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Kxmode wrote on Aug 14, 2019, 14:50:
A bit of advice for any parties in a legal dispute, the only thing you should say is, "We have seen the allegations against us and are reviewing both their claim and merit. We are not prepared at this time to discuss the particulars." In other words, DO NOT discuss or talk about any legal issues online, ever.

They don't give a shit, they are incorporated in Hong Kong. China isn't going to do anything.

Good advice for companies that aren't immune to legal action.
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A bit of advice for any parties in a legal dispute, the only thing you should say is, "We have seen the allegations against us and are reviewing both their claim and merit. We are not prepared at this time to discuss the particulars." In other words, DO NOT discuss or talk about any legal issues online, ever.
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