What Happens to Purchases if Google Kills Stadia?

A Google Stadia AMA on Reddit yesterday answered some questions about Google's planned streaming game service. Since Google is notorious for pulling the plug on projects that don't pull their weight (Wikipedia puts the number at 50), Google's Andrey Doronichev was hit with the question of what will happen to game purchases if Stadia ends up going to a farm upstate to live with a nice couple. The response is that nothing in life is certain:
We get this a lot. I hear you. Moving to the cloud is scary. I felt the same way when music was transitioning from files to streaming. I still have all my old CDs in the garage… although it's hard to find a CD player these days :)

The same happened to Movies and Photos and my Docs and other files… And it’s great! Games are no different. Eventually all of our games will be safely in the cloud too and we'll feel great about it. We’ve been investing a ton in tech, infrastructure and partnerships over the past few years. Nothing in life is certain, but we’re committed to making Stadia a success.

The games you buy on Stadia are yours to play. From day one we’ll support Takeout, so that you can download your game metadata, including saves if you want to.

Of course, it’s ok to doubt my words. Theres nothing I can say now to make you believe if you don't. But what we can do is to launch the service and continue investing in it for years to come. Exactly how we've been doing with gMail, Docs, Music, Movies and Photos. That’s exactly what we’re committed to.
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Jul 19, 2019, 10:36
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Re: What Happens to Purchases if Google Kills Stadia? Jul 19, 2019, 10:36
Jul 19, 2019, 10:36
 
Pretty much a non-answer. Basically, trust us. oooook
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Jul 19, 2019, 10:37
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Jul 19, 2019, 10:37
 
So by answering that must mean, sorry but it will all be gone. It's like after that long answer someone needed to follow up, we get all what you just said, but what if your service goes belly up after a while what does that mean?
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Jul 19, 2019, 10:49
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Jul 19, 2019, 10:49
 
"Eventually all of our games will be safely in the cloud too and we'll feel great about it."

I love how he makes this statement as though it's fact. It couldn't be further from the truth. I'm not comfortable giving YOU or ANYBODY ELSE control of anything I should be in control of. A 3TB hard disk cost $69.00 on sale these days. Why do I need to give you control of my content?

I'll classify his comment as a "conditioning statement" for the younger generations who will freely and willingly give up all control of their lives in the name of convenience.

"The games you buy on Stadia are yours to play." For as long as they say you can. And not a moment longer.

PASS! I trust Steam more than these people when they make silly statements like that.
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Jul 19, 2019, 10:56
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Jul 19, 2019, 10:56
 
Exactly how we've been doing with gMail, Docs, Music, Movies and Photos.

Cool, but what about G+, Wave, Allo, Songza, Glass, Reader, Ara, etc, etc.

Google's killed more high profile projects than they've kept. I'm really hesitant to invest my money, or advise people to invest their money and time in any cloud platform.

Keeping your 'metadata' isn't a great answer, if this tanks you get to buy the game somewhere else and import your save? yaaaaaay
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Jul 19, 2019, 10:58
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Jul 19, 2019, 10:58
 
I think it was actually a definite answer, just spruced up enough to hide the downside as best they could.

They did say that you would be able to use Google Takeout to get your data (saved games) in the case that Stadia folds - which leads me to believe they've thought about this enough to know that users certainly won't get a copy of the game.

While the saved game is nice, since you won't lose your progress (I still mourn the death of my 400+ hour save file for Disgaea on DS - I re-bought the game with no regrets, but those 400-some hours died with the old cartridge), it's a tough sell when you have to basically say that the safety net is that you can still go buy the game elsewhere and have your progress.

I won't judge people for jumping in to Stadia, because it may fit the needs of other people more than me, but I'm 100% not going to be an early adopter. Likely not at all.
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:00
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:00
 
This is pretty much the most patronizing response I could imagine Google giving. At the same level of tonedefness as "We All Have Cellphones, So Come On, Let's Get Real".
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:00
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:00
 
They haven't convinced me why I should purchase anything on the service in the first place, regardless of this issue.

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Jul 19, 2019, 11:04
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:04
 
Eventually all of our games will be safely in the cloud too
That is the funniest statement I have read. There is no less safe place for your games than the cloud. Just look at steam, "oh you know that game you bought a few years back, well we had a dispute with the music publishers so we had to remove a bunch of tracks from your game. You probably won't miss them." So yeah cloud gaming, yeah fuck that shit completely. Those games aren't worth a buy at $0.01 much less anything more in line with today's prices.
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:26
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:26
 
When OnLive died, all your games died with it.
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:34
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:34
 
Mordhaus wrote on Jul 19, 2019, 10:36:
Pretty much a non-answer. Basically, trust us. oooook
You nailed it.
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Re: What Happens to Purchases if Google Kills Stadia?
Jul 19, 2019, 11:56
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Jul 19, 2019, 11:56
 El Pit
 
Mordhaus wrote on Jul 19, 2019, 10:36:
Pretty much a non-answer. Basically, trust us. oooook

The answer you want is right there!

Nothing in life is certain, but...

If shit hits the fan, you will lose everything you paid for.
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So he just said Stadia will be a failure?
Jul 19, 2019, 12:35
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So he just said Stadia will be a failure? Jul 19, 2019, 12:35
Jul 19, 2019, 12:35
 
Someone else has already stated a short list of their long list of high profile product shutdowns. My worry is that he mentioned music and video.

I consider digital video a complete failure now. Apple Video is useless unless you bend over for an iDevice. Play For Sure, or was it play absolutely nowhere? Disney Anywhere shutdown, except for the US. Ultraviolet is gone soon. Flixster is shutting down the last pieces. Netflix, Prime, Crave, HBO Now, CBS All Access, Hulu you have no idea if the program you want to watch will still be there tomorrow. Even if they own the full rights, it can disappear, or be altered.
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Jul 19, 2019, 13:01
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Jul 19, 2019, 13:01
 
You buy games on Stadia, those games will be GONE in 3-5 years when they shut that shit down again.

I know, we run the risk with all of our other digital storefronts too. GabeN promised they'd make all the games capable of running offline permanently if they ever take Steam down, but it's just a promise. It's not in writing anywhere. Every other storefront doesn't even have this promise.

But none of them are Google, which is fucking notorious for shutting down everything they don't like anymore. Stadia will undoubtedly be in this list. Purchase at your own peril.
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Jul 19, 2019, 13:11
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Jul 19, 2019, 13:11
 
Remember, Google+? Yeah Google doesn't either.
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Jul 19, 2019, 13:25
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Jul 19, 2019, 13:25
 
I will never get involved with Stadia, but this shit isn't aimed at my( mostly our) age group. It's aimed at dumbass kids glued to their phones who have no physical media already.

An ideal outcome will be that Stadia fails and burns those kids a bit, so they learn to be apprehensive of cloud based systems, but who knows.

I'm just a little worried about what games will get swept up into the Stadia craze in the near future and NOT be released through normal channels.

There are already rumors about BG3 being on Stadia, although supposedly not exclusive yet...
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Jul 19, 2019, 13:29
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Jul 19, 2019, 13:29
 
Dear Lord, this is the internet era Andrey. Its not hard to find a cd player these days. Just walk into your local walmart and buy one if you don't want to order online.

I'm also totally convinced that the metadata/saves will totally work with non Stadia versions of games.
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Jul 19, 2019, 13:35
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There is nothing about Stadia, as it is presented to us currently, that makes it better than buying it nearly anywhere else. While the "what happens if Stadia dies?" question is obviously a legitimate concern, I am still waiting for the reason we should do our gaming business with Google in the first place.
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Re: So he just said Stadia will be a failure?
Jul 19, 2019, 13:47
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Hanneth wrote on Jul 19, 2019, 12:35:
Someone else has already stated a short list of their long list of high profile product shutdowns.
https://killedbygoogle.com/

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Jul 19, 2019, 13:59
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Google is a company perpetually caught in an identity crisis. We had a bunch of videos for the kids on Google Videos a long time ago, they basically retired the entire platform and gave us a $50 giftcard that didn't come close to the total value of the library. Too bad so sad, they give no fucks.

They just finished fucking around with their music stuff not too long ago, I trust them even less with a platform where buy-in is going to be $60 per title.

Oh and this has Phil Harrison attached aka the Kiss of Death of gaming.
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Jul 19, 2019, 15:11
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Jul 19, 2019, 15:11
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As I understand it, the law requires companies to legally make digital purchases always available if they are not strictly speaking a service. As a pair of examples, if Blizzard decided to shut-down WOW tomorrow, it would be okay without any legal ramifications. Conversely, if Valve decided to shut down Steam tomorrow, they c/would be held liable for the billions of dollars of digital goods no longer available for download.

Stadia and other services like it are a legal nightmare. They don't address the issue of purchased goods in the cloud. The better solution would be to go the Adobe route of charging a $50 monthly premium and let people play EVERYTHING on Stadia's library including new games.

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