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47. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 4, 2019, 17:15 jdreyer
 
Verno wrote on Jul 3, 2019, 21:22:
Fact of the matter is that 8 GB was barely enough for a 1070 3 years ago

No one is gaming at 4k on a 1070 where you would even be approaching VRAM limits at 8GB. And the only game that shows any meaningful frame time difference at VRAM limits is FF15 in benchmark mode. This stuff has been tested extensively by GamersNexus and Hardware Unboxed. The opposite is actually true - engines have gotten vastly better at texture caching and videocard manufacturers are doing insane stuff with on the fly loseless compression, if anything the situation has hugely improved over the past 3 years. Even dogshit like AnvilNext (Ubi) can run games with 4k textures well below 8GB usage. I spent a few years trying to game at 4k and memory bandwidth and VRAM were not problems.

Running into VRAM limits might be in issue in like 3+ years when new consoles running at 4k are the norm (supposedly) but these things are currently struggling to maintain 60fps at 1080p so I'm not exactly worried about it. And there is always generational crossover which lasts 2-3 years anyway. Companies are going to target the existing 150 million console/PC base users before they go fully committed to 4k/RT/etc.

All I know is that when I run FTL at 4K it chugs. When I scale back to 1440P, it runs like butter, but looks like crap.
 
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46. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 3, 2019, 21:22 Verno
 
Fact of the matter is that 8 GB was barely enough for a 1070 3 years ago

No one is gaming at 4k on a 1070 where you would even be approaching VRAM limits at 8GB. And the only game that shows any meaningful frame time difference at VRAM limits is FF15 in benchmark mode. This stuff has been tested extensively by GamersNexus and Hardware Unboxed. The opposite is actually true - engines have gotten vastly better at texture caching and videocard manufacturers are doing insane stuff with on the fly loseless compression, if anything the situation has hugely improved over the past 3 years. Even dogshit like AnvilNext (Ubi) can run games with 4k textures well below 8GB usage. I spent a few years trying to game at 4k and memory bandwidth and VRAM were not problems.

Running into VRAM limits might be in issue in like 3+ years when new consoles running at 4k are the norm (supposedly) but these things are currently struggling to maintain 60fps at 1080p so I'm not exactly worried about it. And there is always generational crossover which lasts 2-3 years anyway. Companies are going to target the existing 150 million console/PC base users before they go fully committed to 4k/RT/etc.
 
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45. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 3, 2019, 15:56 Muscular Beaver
 
FloorPie wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 17:49:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 16:00:
RedEye9 wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 14:34:
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 10:47:
I've been holding onto my 980 Ti as my systems bottleneck for a couple years now.. Debating just doing a 2070S for now and then upgrading to the next 2180 or whatever it'll be called on release.
Sounds like a good plan. The 2070 will easily hold you over for a couple of years.
No, bad advice. Because 8 GB is already not enough and the next gen of consoles is around the corner.

Heh, not according to some hardware reviewers. The 2060 at $349 is supposedly enough for 1440p even with only 6gb of vram and 192bit bus. I mean its a fine card if you want to pay $349 for max 1080p settings for 2 years tops.

A lot of these prices ignore the custom AIB boards that have better cooling/quiet fans/ disco lights etc..

At best, these prices are what the rtx cards should have been on release. We'll see how prices flesh out in the next 3-6 months and what the Navi reviews are for AMD cards. I'm hoping prices drop but Nvidia has been arrogant asses on pricing for 5+ years now, even when they have competition. I figure on sticking with my 970 and rx 480 for awhile at this point.
Well the trolls in this thread can buy it. I dont care if they waste money.
Fact of the matter is that 8 GB was barely enough for a 1070 3 years ago. So if you buy a quicker one now, which is actually as fast as a 1080 Ti with 11 GB, then having only 8 GB screws you over royally. And saying that it will hold for at least 2 years is wishful thinking, especially with the next console gen around the corner as well.
You wont see it much in the speed (wont show in normal benchmarks either - which most reviewers do), but you will see choppy gameplay.
 
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44. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 3, 2019, 11:35 CJ_Parker
 
Another vote for 1440p. I would only be interested in moving up to 4K if there were bigger displays. I currently own a 32"/144Hz and that seems to be the perfect size for 1440p with absolutely no scaling required.

I'd want 4K on a display in the 40"+ range or maybe at the earliest from 35" up but not really before that. As someone who likes to play older games sometimes (with usually poor widescreen/high res interface scaling) I'd hate to constantly fiddle around with scaling or to be playing at a non-native res on a "small" 27"/32" 4K display.

1440p is definitely the sweet spot for carefree gaming for me. With a potent GPU it is mighty nice to play e.g. TW3 at 144Hz (locked at 142fps to be safely within the G-Sync range) with all the bells and whistles enabled (except the crappy looking Hairworks).
 
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43. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 3, 2019, 09:23 Creston
 
Xero wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 17:58:
I guess everyone has already moved on from 1080p right? Lol.

Nope, I'm still on it. Mostly because I haven't seen a good size 1440p monitor with all the features I want for a low enough price.
 
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42. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 3, 2019, 07:57 Verno
 
Agreed, 1440p is the sweet spot. High framerates, high detail toggles and more affordable than 4k. I have dual monitors, one is a 4k Freesync and the other is a 1440p G-Sync monitor, I do all of my gaming on the G-Sync monitor now. 4k was getting too frustrating trying to maintain ~60fps.  
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41. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 3, 2019, 07:12 Nimh
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 22:07:
Xero wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 17:58:
I guess everyone has already moved on from 1080p right? Lol. I'm quite happy with my 1070ti still. It handles everything I throw at it and my i7 is going on 4 years old... I suppose 4K will truly cripple me but as long as I don't see what I'm missing, I don't need it.

1080p on a souped up 970. I'm happy. May build a new system in 2 years, with a new monitor. Till then, 1080p is great.

1440p is the sweet spot. The main benefit, aside the resolution increase, is that line aliasing is vastly reduced. Meaning you only need a touch of anti-aliasing, or can run with something like SMAA only. I wouldn't worry about 4k, it's still very niche for the PC market.
 
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40. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 3, 2019, 03:01 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 22:07:
Xero wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 17:58:
I guess everyone has already moved on from 1080p right? Lol. I'm quite happy with my 1070ti still. It handles everything I throw at it and my i7 is going on 4 years old... I suppose 4K will truly cripple me but as long as I don't see what I'm missing, I don't need it.

1080p on a souped up 970. I'm happy. May build a new system in 2 years, with a new monitor. Till then, 1080p is great.
1080p is great?? You probably watch TV on a CRT and listen to music on cassette tape!

Now that I have a 1080Ti, I'm starting to eye 1440P widescreen monitors like this one.
 
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39. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 22:51 jacobvandy
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 17:18:
The next gen consoles won't come out until holiday 2020. Games that truly take advantage of the new hardware won't start to come out until a year after that. 2.5 years is a long time to wait.

Nah, those days are gone, now that consoles are literally just small form-factor PCs. No new wacky architecture to learn, all you have to do is adjust your targets for the new specs. Plus native backwards-compatibility means anything from this gen will run at a higher res with more FPS, just like when you buy a new graphics card. The oldest games might need low-effort patches, but anything released since XboneX and PS4 Pro came along are already set up for that. Next-gen games are well into development, and I bet major titles coming out in the next year and a half are doing so with built-in enhancements for that new hardware. Saves them the time of "porting" it later on for those sweet, sweet cross-gen sales.
 
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38. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 22:07 Beamer
 
Xero wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 17:58:
I guess everyone has already moved on from 1080p right? Lol. I'm quite happy with my 1070ti still. It handles everything I throw at it and my i7 is going on 4 years old... I suppose 4K will truly cripple me but as long as I don't see what I'm missing, I don't need it.

1080p on a souped up 970. I'm happy. May build a new system in 2 years, with a new monitor. Till then, 1080p is great.
 
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37. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 21:37 RedEye9
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 13:00:
I am surprisingly happy with my 1160. It consistently pegs out my 144hz 1080p monitors. Therefore, I do not have a need to upgrade.

However, should the 5700XT prove capable of keeping my monitors maxed out at all times under any conditions, I would likely upgrade to that and pass the 1160 on to Mrs. Burrito who currently has a Vega56.
You dislexic mutha, I spent all afternoon looking for the 1160 and just now figured out you meant the 1060 1660. I have sent a bill for my normal research rate, with bn readers getting a small discount so it brings the hourly rate down to 2 hojillion dollars an hour. Please remit bitcoin on my venmo with a square.
 
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36. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 21:03 RedEye9
 
El Pit wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 12:09:
ForgedReality wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 10:16:
Yeah but where's 2080 Super Ti? >:O

It will be released later. They call it 2080 Ti Totally Super or 2080 TiTS.
I'd motorboat 2 of those in SLI.
 
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35. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 18:53 CJ_Parker
 
El Pit wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 12:09:
ForgedReality wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 10:16:
Yeah but where's 2080 Super Ti? >:O

It will be released later. They call it 2080 Ti Totally Super or 2080 TiTS.

If they call it that I'll buy two for some tittyfucking action!!!
 
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34. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 17:58 Xero
 
I guess everyone has already moved on from 1080p right? Lol. I'm quite happy with my 1070ti still. It handles everything I throw at it and my i7 is going on 4 years old... I suppose 4K will truly cripple me but as long as I don't see what I'm missing, I don't need it.  
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33. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 17:49 FloorPie
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 16:00:
RedEye9 wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 14:34:
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 10:47:
I've been holding onto my 980 Ti as my systems bottleneck for a couple years now.. Debating just doing a 2070S for now and then upgrading to the next 2180 or whatever it'll be called on release.
Sounds like a good plan. The 2070 will easily hold you over for a couple of years.
No, bad advice. Because 8 GB is already not enough and the next gen of consoles is around the corner.

Heh, not according to some hardware reviewers. The 2060 at $349 is supposedly enough for 1440p even with only 6gb of vram and 192bit bus. I mean its a fine card if you want to pay $349 for max 1080p settings for 2 years tops.

A lot of these prices ignore the custom AIB boards that have better cooling/quiet fans/ disco lights etc..

At best, these prices are what the rtx cards should have been on release. We'll see how prices flesh out in the next 3-6 months and what the Navi reviews are for AMD cards. I'm hoping prices drop but Nvidia has been arrogant asses on pricing for 5+ years now, even when they have competition. I figure on sticking with my 970 and rx 480 for awhile at this point.
 
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32. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 17:32 RedEye9
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 17:18:
Simon Says wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 14:55:
A short ...
The next gen consoles won't come out until holiday 2020. Games that truly take advantage of the new hardware won't start to come out until a year after that. 2.5 years is a long time to wait.
But 1.7 years after the 2.5 years new hardware will come out. Wait thou mustest. not
 
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31. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 17:18 jdreyer
 
Simon Says wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 14:55:
A short analysis of the facts will quickly tell you it's the worst time in 20 years to upgrade a GPU because of 2 main factors:

-The current perf/price is horrible because competition is practically non-existent with midrange Nv 106 dies that usually sold around the 200-300$ mark, now selling around 350-450$ with their AMD counterparts matching and their perf isn't great ( relatively speaking ).

-Consoles for the first time in a long time will launch next year with a pretty powerful GPU that will slot in-between 2080 and 2080ti according to people coding for the new consoles

Any GPU bought today below 2080ti is probably gonna be slower ( or at best match if 2080 ) than a console released next year and those GPUs are grossly overpriced.

My advice: Wait til the consoles release, assess their performance relative to the then available PC parts ( next Navi, Ampere, possibly Intel XE ) and then choose an adequate GPU that will hopefully match the fastest console so you can have peace of mind for 5-6 years leading to best bang per buck over time despite horrible prices. Hopefully Intel will have released something by then and seeing as they need to carve out market share in the dGPU space, prices might just be more reasonable with more competition.

The smart move right now is to hold for the next consoles if you already have a 970 or greater GPU.

The next gen consoles won't come out until holiday 2020. Games that truly take advantage of the new hardware won't start to come out until a year after that. 2.5 years is a long time to wait.
 
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30. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 17:14 Osc8r
 
So when are the 2080tis prices going to drop? I'm itching to build a new pc to replace my 6700k 980ti system with a 9900k or 3900x and a 2080ti, before I commit to a higher res ultra wide monitor.

My existing build can't even do 1440p smoothly in a lot of games these days (though gsync does help).

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29. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 16:10 Qvark
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 16:00:
RedEye9 wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 14:34:
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 10:47:
I've been holding onto my 980 Ti as my systems bottleneck for a couple years now.. Debating just doing a 2070S for now and then upgrading to the next 2180 or whatever it'll be called on release.
Sounds like a good plan. The 2070 will easily hold you over for a couple of years.
No, bad advice. Because 8 GB is already not enough and the next gen of consoles is around the corner.

Do upgrade, that 980 Ti is already obsolete if you want to do VR.
 
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28. Re: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super and RTX 2060 Super Review Roundup Jul 2, 2019, 16:05 Verno
 
Saboth wrote on Jul 2, 2019, 15:56:
I never paid any attention to these cards, but wow...the $499 for a 2070 and $399 for a 2060 are "improvements"? I think THOSE prices are too high. I paid like $340 for my 1070 before the data mining craze hit.

I don't know, I paid $599 (or was it $699?) for my 1080ti at launch and a $499 2070S doesn't seem bad. I think where they fucked up more is the actual product segmentation. A 2060S should be like $349 tops if you really want to target the mid-range. Seems like they are just fucking around with the market to boost margins.

No, bad advice. Because 8 GB is already not enough and the next gen of consoles is around the corner.

No, I agree with him. A 2070S would be totally fine as a holdover for at least 2 years.
 
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