yeah i don't buy for a minute that the increased split is going to result in better games. all this will change is budgets will be decreased because the forecasted revenue will bank on the 88/12 split rather than 70/30. "Oh, you plan on collecting 88% of revenue instead of 70%? then we can reduce the budget to make the game by 18%."

Creston wrote on Jul 1, 2019, 10:54:

Beamer wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 17:48:
Yeah, I know, I said that's one issue.
But you CAN buy EGS keys on Humble Bundle. It's a live feature, but it requires the publisher to work with these stores to provide keys. It isn't Epic holding them back. Borderlands 3 is for preorder on GMG right now. And here it is on the Humble Store. Most of the other games they carry are available on multiple platforms, but not listed on GMG for any (including Steam.)

I was not aware they've been opening up key sales through other stores, which has been one of my big problems with EGS. If they can get a backup solution going the whole thing will be far more palatable for me.

I assume that, when this is solved for and publishers put EGS keys on these sites, it'll all be gravy and there will be no complaints. But from what I understand, neither publishers nor GMG are rushing for this, because it requires a site overhaul on GMG to let people pick which DRM they want, and the demand is currently so low that they're not interested in building it out. Similarly, publishers provide Steam keys to GMG, but aren't super excited to also create a process for EGS keys, since again, far less demand.

Yeah that makes sense.

I mean, I'm not saying it's perfect, or happening in a reasonable manner, just that those angry or fearful shouldn't be angry or fearful.

Those that are irked or annoyed, sure, reasonable. I get that I'm reacting to the worst reactions, but it feels like so many gaming sites aren't "well, this sucks" but more "fuck those greedy assholes, they're going to ruin the game I want to play that isn't even announced yet, I hope they all get nuked!" Getting to something better (i.e., a two-store system in this case) often requires a period of adjustment where things are briefly worse. If Epic truly makes this brief, that's awesome. I think we're still in that window, and appreciate that they're so clear with their roadmap.

But since we're on it, if they're throwing cash around, why not pay GMG to become an EGS key vendor?

Beamer wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 17:48:
Yeah, I know, I said that's one issue.
But you CAN buy EGS keys on Humble Bundle. It's a live feature, but it requires the publisher to work with these stores to provide keys. It isn't Epic holding them back. Borderlands 3 is for preorder on GMG right now. And here it is on the Humble Store. Most of the other games they carry are available on multiple platforms, but not listed on GMG for any (including Steam.)

I was not aware they've been opening up key sales through other stores, which has been one of my big problems with EGS. If they can get a backup solution going the whole thing will be far more palatable for me.

I assume that, when this is solved for and publishers put EGS keys on these sites, it'll all be gravy and there will be no complaints. But from what I understand, neither publishers nor GMG are rushing for this, because it requires a site overhaul on GMG to let people pick which DRM they want, and the demand is currently so low that they're not interested in building it out. Similarly, publishers provide Steam keys to GMG, but aren't super excited to also create a process for EGS keys, since again, far less demand.

Yeah that makes sense.

Beamer wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 17:48:

Creston wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 17:29:

Beamer wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 09:00:
Right now, the only real loss is "choice," which I don't think we ever really had with Steam (the choice was Steam or Steam), and hypothetical future losses, which we have no reason yet to assume will actually come true.

Except that you could buy Steam games pretty much everywhere. Other than during summer/winter sales, I never buy anything at Steam, I always buy it at GMG.

Can I still buy games for 25% off at GMG if they're exclusive at EGS? Nope. God, all these benefits I'm getting from Tim Sweeney & Crew, they're getting overwhelming. I should make a list!

Yeah, I know, I said that's one issue.
But you CAN buy EGS keys on Humble Bundle. It's a live feature, but it requires the publisher to work with these stores to provide keys. It isn't Epic holding them back. Borderlands 3 is for preorder on GMG right now. And here it is on the Humble Store. Most of the other games they carry are available on multiple platforms, but not listed on GMG for any (including Steam.)

I assume that, when this is solved for and publishers put EGS keys on these sites, it'll all be gravy and there will be no complaints. But from what I understand, neither publishers nor GMG are rushing for this, because it requires a site overhaul on GMG to let people pick which DRM they want, and the demand is currently so low that they're not interested in building it out. Similarly, publishers provide Steam keys to GMG, but aren't super excited to also create a process for EGS keys, since again, far less demand.

Meh, still no Satisfactory for sale on HB.

Also, shill.

Creston wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 17:14:

Beamer wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 10:37:

jdreyer wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 05:37:
Man, that Morning Metaverse thread was cray-cray.

Creston wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 13:44:
Please everybody, vote all these fucking Incumbents out of office at the next election(s).

And then we "drained the swamp..." Ha!

Jesus, do you have all these comments bookmarked or something? How do you even find all that years-old shit??

Jdreyer found it, so I had to. Wanted to see what he called crazy.
That comment wasn't meant to call you out, just funny seeing pre trump posts.

Creston wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 17:14:

Beamer wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 10:37:

jdreyer wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 05:37:
Man, that Morning Metaverse thread was cray-cray.

Creston wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 13:44:
Please everybody, vote all these fucking Incumbents out of office at the next election(s).

And then we "drained the swamp..." Ha!

Jesus, do you have all these comments bookmarked or something? How do you even find all that years-old shit??

L337 search skills or photographic mammary

Beamer wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 10:37:

jdreyer wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 05:37:
Man, that Morning Metaverse thread was cray-cray.

Creston wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 13:44:
Please everybody, vote all these fucking Incumbents out of office at the next election(s).

And then we "drained the swamp..." Ha!

Jesus, do you have all these comments bookmarked or something? How do you even find all that years-old shit??

jdreyer wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 05:37:
Man, that Morning Metaverse thread was cray-cray.

Creston wrote on Oct 14, 2013, 13:44:
Please everybody, vote all these fucking Incumbents out of office at the next election(s).

And then we "drained the swamp..." Ha!

Verno wrote on Jun 29, 2019, 07:44:
I don't think we could put up those kinds of numbers anymore like that E:D thread. I think the lack of mobile optimization/SEO is slowly killing the BBS here, not sure about the actual traffic numbers for the rest of the site. We're not even in the top10 results anymore for PC gaming news and similar search terms. I can't remember when Google started Amp but it seems like around that time and they eventually started pushing it hard in 2017 with preferential placement. I personally check the site a lot less than I used to - busier with work/family than when I was younger and I do a lot of browsing on the go now with my phone and its much more cumbersome. I suspect others are in the same boat.

But who knows, maybe one day Star Citizen will ship and we'll explode

I think one like the E:D one is *possible*. That was an ongoing discussion among a few of the regulars. What's less likely is one like the Morning Metaverse one. Blue won't be as patient about letting a political thread going on for 800 comments. Also, haven't seen rollnthundr 'round these parts for a spell.

I don't think we could put up those kinds of numbers anymore like that E:D thread. I think the lack of mobile optimization/SEO is slowly killing the BBS here, not sure about the actual traffic numbers for the rest of the site. We're not even in the top10 results anymore for PC gaming news and similar search terms. I can't remember when Google started Amp but it seems like around that time and they eventually started pushing it hard in 2017 with preferential placement. I personally check the site a lot less than I used to - busier with work/family than when I was younger and I do a lot of browsing on the go now with my phone and its much more cumbersome. I suspect others are in the same boat.

But who knows, maybe one day Star Citizen will ship and we'll explode

Man, that Morning Metaverse thread was cray-cray.

173 Comments is nothing. NOTHING!

Top Threads at Blues:

1182 Elite Dangerous Ships
879 Morning Metaverse
680 Out of the Blue
654 More on the WTC
537 Ships Ahoy - Half-Life 2
447 Battlefield 2 Demo
428 America's Army Demo
412 Out of the Blue
411 CoD Demo Open Letter
391 Diablo III Details

Tim Sweeny says it's Valve's fault backers won't get Shenmue 3 Steam keys.

Creston wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 17:29:

Beamer wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 09:00:
Right now, the only real loss is "choice," which I don't think we ever really had with Steam (the choice was Steam or Steam), and hypothetical future losses, which we have no reason yet to assume will actually come true.

Except that you could buy Steam games pretty much everywhere. Other than during summer/winter sales, I never buy anything at Steam, I always buy it at GMG.

Can I still buy games for 25% off at GMG if they're exclusive at EGS? Nope. God, all these benefits I'm getting from Tim Sweeney & Crew, they're getting overwhelming. I should make a list!

Yeah, I know, I said that's one issue.
But you CAN buy EGS keys on Humble Bundle. It's a live feature, but it requires the publisher to work with these stores to provide keys. It isn't Epic holding them back. Borderlands 3 is for preorder on GMG right now. And here it is on the Humble Store. Most of the other games they carry are available on multiple platforms, but not listed on GMG for any (including Steam.)

I assume that, when this is solved for and publishers put EGS keys on these sites, it'll all be gravy and there will be no complaints. But from what I understand, neither publishers nor GMG are rushing for this, because it requires a site overhaul on GMG to let people pick which DRM they want, and the demand is currently so low that they're not interested in building it out. Similarly, publishers provide Steam keys to GMG, but aren't super excited to also create a process for EGS keys, since again, far less demand.

Beamer wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 09:00:
Right now, the only real loss is "choice," which I don't think we ever really had with Steam (the choice was Steam or Steam), and hypothetical future losses, which we have no reason yet to assume will actually come true.

Except that you could buy Steam games pretty much everywhere. Other than during summer/winter sales, I never buy anything at Steam, I always buy it at GMG.

Can I still buy games for 25% off at GMG if they're exclusive at EGS? Nope. God, all these benefits I'm getting from Tim Sweeney & Crew, they're getting overwhelming. I should make a list!

Gamers Don't Understand Revenue Splits, and Other Nonsense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rWBM0y2DY0

To everyone complaining about Steam's cut:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/b9i4yd/to_everyone_complaining_about_steams_cut_please/

Slashman wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 11:37:

RedEye9 wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 09:27:

Slashman wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 08:48:

The funny thing is that the people who are arguing for EGS are actually more concerned with hurting Valve for not making games anymore than they are for "better stuff for everyone". They believe that Valve will be pushed into making games again if Epic's Store takes off.

What odd takeaways from this thread.

Please point out the "hurting" valve posts because they're news to me.
As for thinking that storefront competition will push valve into making games again, well that's just laughable.

This from a previous thread on the topic

This is one of Slick's rants from a previous thread. It's pretty clear what his priorities are.

"the people" turns into a single sentence in one 2 month old post that you took out of context. ok, you win.

slick said he had an rss feed set to trigger on shill so here goes.

Shill shill SHILL, we'll see if the batcall err slickcall works and if he wants to clarify the statement.

Slashman wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 11:37:

RedEye9 wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 09:27:

Slashman wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 08:48:

The funny thing is that the people who are arguing for EGS are actually more concerned with hurting Valve for not making games anymore than they are for "better stuff for everyone". They believe that Valve will be pushed into making games again if Epic's Store takes off.

What odd takeaways from this thread.

Please point out the "hurting" valve posts because they're news to me.
As for thinking that storefront competition will push valve into making games again, well that's just laughable.

This from a previous thread on the topic

This is one of Slick's rants from a previous thread. It's pretty clear what his priorities are.

Question and answer.
Yeah, definitely there.

RedEye9 wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 09:27:

Slashman wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 08:48:

The funny thing is that the people who are arguing for EGS are actually more concerned with hurting Valve for not making games anymore than they are for "better stuff for everyone". They believe that Valve will be pushed into making games again if Epic's Store takes off.

What odd takeaways from this thread.

Please point out the "hurting" valve posts because they're news to me.
As for thinking that storefront competition will push valve into making games again, well that's just laughable.

This from a previous thread on the topic

This is one of Slick's rants from a previous thread. It's pretty clear what his priorities are.

Slashman wrote on Jun 28, 2019, 08:48:

The funny thing is that the people who are arguing for EGS are actually more concerned with hurting Valve for not making games anymore than they are for "better stuff for everyone". They believe that Valve will be pushed into making games again if Epic's Store takes off.

What odd takeaways from this thread.

Please point out the "hurting" valve posts because they're news to me.
As for thinking that storefront competition will push valve into making games again, well that's just laughable.