Bishi wrote on Jun 24, 2019, 13:23:
Yeah but what kind of fool attempts to play games on Linux anyway

Right?

* CentOS, RHEL, Ubuntu server are typically for servers
* Manjaro, Mint, ElementaryOS target daily users
* Fedora and OpenSUSE target programmers
* Rasphian is for embedded systems

It's not really a kernel for gaming. I'm surprised gaming support even exists on Linux.

I use Slackware 14.2.... *hides*

Dan =0)

So they're backtracking on this, good, so this all worked out well and open-source still shines. It took feedback and immediately reviewed and came to a new conclusion. That's how it should work.

Bishi wrote on Jun 24, 2019, 13:23:
Yeah but what kind of fool attempts to play games on Linux anyway

Why not? It works very nicely with quite a lot of games, especially with Proton in Steam. And many games have native Linux versions

Yeah but what kind of fool attempts to play games on Linux anyway

chickenboo wrote on Jun 24, 2019, 11:56:
I wonder if there's a quiz-style website for helping users to pick a linux distribution.

There is but it does not take into account hardware. AMD (GPU and CPU) and Intel (GPU and CPU) both have good open source drivers so those are included by all the major distributions. For Nvidia GPUs, however, you'll need to do a small bit of research to find out which of the major distributions support them out of the box or which ones require you to install the driver post-install. Even the major distros that require a post-install driver install make it pretty easy to do so. Manjaro has the Manjaro Hardware Database, for example, which is a one click install and Fedora Workstation 30 (default Gnome DE) can do something similar although it takes three clicks to accomplish.

I wonder if there's a quiz-style website for helping users to pick a linux distribution.

Intended use: Gaming / Working / Content
Motherboard Type and Socket: AMD AM4 / Intel LGA 1151
Video Card Type: AMD / NVidia

"Based on your selections of Gaming, AMD AM4, and Nvidia, we recommend X distribution based on these reasons: ___ "

Well hopefully they move to Debian then. :>

TheEmissary wrote on Jun 23, 2019, 22:12:
I would imagine the linux community will probably create a compatibility layer or emulation to handle what was lost. Think DosBox or Wine or even VMware.

This problem will be solved sooner or later.

That doesn't need to be done. You can simply repackage the binary and all necessary libraries in to a Snap or Flatpak which will literally cover every Linux distribution out there that has Snap and/or Flatpak support.

bhcompy wrote on Jun 23, 2019, 23:48:
No one would ever accuse the Linux community of living in the future, let alone the present.

And yet Microsoft just can't help itself from blatantly copying features from Linux and doing its best to integrate it via WSL in to their OS.

Surely were Linux so backward and antediluvian that Microsoft would see no reason to do either of those things.

Time for Steam to get off their asses and do something. It's not the only kid on the block anymore and can't just sit there wallowing in cash without doing anything

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Damn I better get some boot floppies for another distro...

eRe4s3r wrote on Jun 23, 2019, 19:27:
The fact these distros are still using mailing lists to decide things like this feels like they fell out of time though.

No one would ever accuse the Linux community of living in the future, let alone the present.

I would imagine the linux community will probably create a compatibility layer or emulation to handle what was lost. Think DosBox or Wine or even VMware.

This problem will be solved sooner or later.

WebSoldier wrote on Jun 23, 2019, 17:26:
You don't like Ubuntu? I'm not up to speed on all the different versions except for the web hosting small distros varations like RedHat + Centos, which are not good for gaming. If Ubuntu is not the answer who is? Who do you like?

That's a tough call. Generally, if you have Nvidia hardware, I recommend Manjaro because the Manjaro Hardware Database is just flatout amazeballs. One click and done. This is also true of Realtek hardware, Broadcomm hardware, and other proprietary driver situations.

If you do not have Nvidia hardware, or don't mind using Gnome, I'd recommend Fedora Workstation 30. Seriously. I just switched back to it from Manjaro because Fedora Workstation Gnome DE has made massive strides in performance and usability. I also like that Fedora updates frequently for not being a rolling release distro. Also, my heart belongs in the RHEL world and DNF is probably the best package manager out there, period. Combine that with built-in Flatpak support and easy to install Snap support and you have my perfect Linux distro.

phinn wrote on Jun 23, 2019, 17:27:
Ubuntu needs to fix this if they want to stay the most relevant desktop distro. Keeping 32-bit support isn't such a big deal, so what if it keeps file sizes a bit larger.

Ubuntu isn't even in the top 3 FYI

https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity

(And yes, I am being joky... ) While this backpaddling is hilarious (apparently Ubuntu devs only just realized that losing easy to use WINE and STEAM would kill their entire OS on the desktop market) Ubuntu is the best/least worst desktop version of this flavor.

The fact these distros are still using mailing lists to decide things like this feels like they fell out of time though.

I think you will still be able to get this working on Ubuntu, it's just going to be a pain in the ass... like you might need to chroot a 32bit env and run steam that way.

I've been contemplating running my threadripper box on linux, but I definitely won't be using Ubuntu. There's some really interesting, well maintained distros out there, but I'm not sure what I would use.

Ubuntu needs to fix this if they want to stay the most relevant desktop distro. Keeping 32-bit support isn't such a big deal, so what if it keeps file sizes a bit larger.

Link: Canonical are now saying Ubuntu's 32bit is not being entirely dropped, 32bit libraries will be "frozen"

You don't like Ubuntu? I'm not up to speed on all the different versions except for the web hosting small distros varations like RedHat + Centos, which are not good for gaming. If Ubuntu is not the answer who is? Who do you like?

I am very in shock because of their 32 bit pull here. Gonna probably change my distro to something else even though my laptop supports 64bit + I never game on it.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 23, 2019, 16:08:
I do, indeed, dislike Ubuntu intensely for a number of reasons.

However, here I cannot fault them. It is time to shift away from 32bit packages for many reasons, not the least of which is that multilib and multiarch repositories have already been unwieldy for some time.

No, the real onus lies at the feet of Valve who have, thus far, steadfastly refused to provide 64 bit libraries and binaries for many titles on Linux even though those 64 bit equivalents exist on Windows for the exact same titles.

However, should Valve continue to shove their head up their ass as hard and far as possible, this isn't the end of anything. What will happen is that someone, quite possibly the distro creators and maintainers themselves, will provide Steam as either a Snap or as a Flatpak. Which one will depend upon which distro you use but you can, generally, use Snap and Flatpak on the same distro without issue.

This allows everything 32 bit that Steam requires (including those 32 bit Nvidia driver libraries) to be packaged up in a nice, self-contained environment that runs without dirtying up the rest of your installation.

I find it ironic that Valve is dragging their feet on this given how much they pushed for 64 bit binaries back in the day and in light of the fact that it's pretty rare for you to find a mainstream 32 bit binary or package on Linux today. This was true even when they started working on SteamOS. 64 bit was the default for most Linux distros back then and should have been Valve's target from the start. I can only surmise that Valve is ignorant, incompetent, or both when it comes to Linux.

You don't like Ubuntu. I'm not up to speed on all the different versions except for the web hosting small distros varations which are not good for gaming. If Ubuntu is not the answer who is? Who do you like?

I am very in shock because of their 32 bit pull here. Gonna probably change my distro to something else even though my laptop supports 64bit + I never game on it.