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Sweeney: Valve Matching Epic's Commission Would End EGS Exclusives

Epic Games has taken a lot of heat from some segments of the game community over deals to make games exclusive to the Epic Games Store. In this tweet, Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney throws down the gauntlet on this, saying that if Steam permanently lowers its commission on sales to match Epic's 12% take, this would end their pursuit of exclusives, and would even lead to Epic Games being sold on Steam (thanks DSOGaming). Here's word:
If Steam committed to a permanent 88% revenue share for all developers and publishers without major strings attached, Epic would hastily organize a retreat from exclusives (while honoring our partner commitments) and consider putting our own games on Steam.

Such a move would be a glorious moment in the history of PC gaming, and would have a sweeping impact on other platforms for generations to come.

Then stores could go back to just being nice places to buy stuff, rather than the Game Developer IRS.
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73. Re: Sweeney: Valve Matching Epic's Commission Would End EGS Exclusives Apr 27, 2019, 07:18 Kain
 
jdreyer wrote on Apr 26, 2019, 17:53:
What is good for the consumer is having more entrants in the market. It's arguable that EGS would survive to be an entrant without these tactics. GoG for example, has been around for more than a decade, is still a tiny fraction of the market, and would arguably be out of business if not for the other successes of CDPR.

To me the idea that they "need" to do this to compete is ridiculous and your example doesn't serve to illustrate your point. Epic is a huge player with a lot of resources and relationships. They could've easily had all of these same titles without exclusivity bux. They could've spent more than 6 months developing their client so its featureset was more competitive. And so on. GOG on the other hand is a storefront that serves a specific niche, one that conflicts with most of the other major publishers in the market offering newer titles. Put more simply, GOG is not used more because the industry does not trust it to offer newer titles due to its lack of a DRM structure. Having more entrants also means nothing when one prevents all of the others from selling products which is precisely what people are pointing out here. Even at its worst, Steam still allows third parties to sell offerings from its storefront on their own.

And circling back to the original point you quoted, it is not beneficial to the consumer which is what people are upset about. I can maybe buy an argument that it will be beneficial for publishers and developers (though most of those arguments are based on murky Sweeney math/PR) but this has zero benefit to gamers and that's why people are chiming in. And the idea that whats good for them will be good for us is trickle down economics, something I've seen you reject numerous times

What's more surprising is the number of people continually popping up trying to defend it, some of them the same ones who find fault with console exclusives even. Though I see a few who are obviously just trolling others and stirring the pot with immature comments. And sure there are people here being over the top about it but that's because the slow boil gets the frog every time in the gaming industry. People have learned you have to object loudly and often when these sorts of things crop up.

Also in case anyone doesn't have encyclopedic knowledge of my previous posts... I'm not boycotting EGS or anything. I'll still buy games from there if that's the only place I can get something that I want after considering the factors. Probably going to be getting Detroit: Become Human from there when that releases. Already got and played a ton of the free Subnautica. I'm mostly involved in these convos because the false equivalencies and hyperbole is killing me inside to read.

Yeah, I have nothing against Epic Games, they make a great engine after all. It's just their tactics and PR here have really sucked so obviously I'm not going to reward them for that.

This comment was edited on Apr 27, 2019, 07:44.
 
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