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19. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 11, 2019, 22:06 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Apr 11, 2019, 20:29:
Beamer wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 15:03:
1) No one ever says "all white males are neo-nazis." If you're hearing this, you need to listen more carefully. It's not what's being said, but it's what so many hear. This is why it's frequently said that white males are fragile - because so many of us hear a criticism and put the word "all" in front of it. I can separate myself from the complaints, most of which have a lot of validity

Would you say the same for the statement "black males are criminals"? Hey, no one's saying all black males, so it's not racist, right?

I agree with most of what you said - wtf_man appears to have learned everything he knows about this subject from conservative/nationalist talking heads complaining/lying about it. However, there are limits. Obviously the second statement is much stronger and has a lot of history behind it, but this sort of phrasing can be indicative of the same flawed way of thinking. I don't have a lot of time for people who's complaints are consistently of this nature because I think it indicates the same us-and-them mentality that the worst of the opposite view have.

Having said that, and as I've said before, the white male victim complex that has become so common in the last few years is remarkably pathetic. I do hope no one feels that they're the victim of anything because I said that...

As Red Eye said, I'm not sure your phrasing is an exact analogy.
However, think about this: people here love bashing devs. They call developers stupid, or liars, or evil, or terrible, or whathaveyour, all day long. It's pretty common. But if a developer anywhere says something like "the PC is less profitable due to piracy," people flip out. I mean, flip the fuck out. Grudges for decades - CliffyB and Mark Rein have been hated here for over a decade.

I wonder why that is. Why one group, who has no real power, feels fine mocking another, yet when another, who does hold some power, even if they don't think they do, even if each individual member doesn't, even if the offending member doesn't, it's suddenly terrible. Why, also, so many people make endless fun of video game journalists, but the second one says something like "gamers are acting entitled," it becomes a massive shitstorm. Why, again, when one group that has some power says something, it's bad, but when the group that doesn't have it, it's really not that bad.

I don't mean to be a jerk, this isn't really aimed at you, but more broadly, so please don't get irked by it (which, given this topic is about people being irked, is a kind of ironic thing, but please, don't feel this is really aimed at you personally, I assure you it isn't, I'm just enjoying the conversation as a whole.)
 
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18. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 11, 2019, 21:32 RedEye9
 
Quboid wrote on Apr 11, 2019, 20:29:
Beamer wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 15:03:
1) No one ever says "all white males are neo-nazis." If you're hearing this, you need to listen more carefully. It's not what's being said, but it's what so many hear. This is why it's frequently said that white males are fragile - because so many of us hear a criticism and put the word "all" in front of it. I can separate myself from the complaints, most of which have a lot of validity

Would you say the same for the statement "black males are criminals"? Hey, no one's saying all black males, so it's not racist, right?
No one said white males are neo-nazis so your straw man does not make any sense. As a matter of fact no one said white males are anything.
What has been said is white male neo-nazis and white male racists are pieces of shit. Same can be said for black male racists, black male neo-nazis and black male criminals.
 
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17. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 11, 2019, 20:29 Quboid
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 15:03:
1) No one ever says "all white males are neo-nazis." If you're hearing this, you need to listen more carefully. It's not what's being said, but it's what so many hear. This is why it's frequently said that white males are fragile - because so many of us hear a criticism and put the word "all" in front of it. I can separate myself from the complaints, most of which have a lot of validity

Would you say the same for the statement "black males are criminals"? Hey, no one's saying all black males, so it's not racist, right?

I agree with most of what you said - wtf_man appears to have learned everything he knows about this subject from conservative/nationalist talking heads complaining/lying about it. However, there are limits. Obviously the second statement is much stronger and has a lot of history behind it, but this sort of phrasing can be indicative of the same flawed way of thinking. I don't have a lot of time for people who's complaints are consistently of this nature because I think it indicates the same us-and-them mentality that the worst of the opposite view have.

Having said that, and as I've said before, the white male victim complex that has become so common in the last few years is remarkably pathetic. I do hope no one feels that they're the victim of anything because I said that...
 
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16. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 11, 2019, 10:31 wtf_man
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 11, 2019, 08:25:
But here you are, all kinds of offended over words never even said. Yes, people can be offended over what is said, but you're imagining things to be angry. This is how sensitive and emotional you are.
If you step back and go "hey, maybe this isn't what's being said," you'd be a lot less emotional and a lot more able to think clearly about it. Instead, you're very determined to be slighted and belittled by words not slighting and belittling you.

Of course one gets emotional when they are offended.

Foreget the white nationalist bit for now... no one ever called me one to my face, but I'm sure if I went to some conservative event (whether I agreed or was just curious) I would be labled as one.

On the White Privilege thing... the bottom line is this... we are talking about a "Measurement by skin tone". It doesn't matter what that skin tone is, to be discriminatory. In this case... you said "Measure of whiteness", which I think is ludicrous.

You say I'm taking it personally... ok... the media liquid feeds us with constant comentaries and interviews regarding "white privilege", just for being white. How does a white person not take that personally? How does a person who busted his/her ass for years not get offended by a term that appears to dismiss their accomplishments as being "easy"?

 
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15. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 11, 2019, 08:25 Beamer
 
wtf_man wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 16:29:
Beamer wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 15:03:
You are being overly sensitive about this and not thinking clearly or rationally about it. And you probably won't to this feedback, either, but once you trot out the "all" argument, you should recognize that you're leading with your emotions, not your rational side.

Overly sensitive?

Just like every other "Politically Correct" nuance out there to what is deemed "offensive"?

It's ok for others to be offended by whatever circumstance or speech, but not me because I'm a white male?

So I'm overly sensitive... yet anyone else that is offended by whatever act / verbage is justified.

The funny thing is that likeminded folks of your point of view don't see the reverse discrimination in this attitude. You just say I'm (we're) whining.

As for being offended by the term, and "supposidly not have accomplished anything"... it's taken my wife and myself over 20 years to reach a slightly upper middle-class income, and it was done all with hard work, continuing education, slowly climbing the ladder, and typical financial ups and downs. Anyone claiming it was "practically given to us" since we're white, needs to examine their own work ethics.

Yup, you still can't/won't read:

1) You're getting all personally insulted, again, over things NO ONE SAID! No one has said "all white men."

2) And no one said you didn't earn it, or it was given to you


But here you are, all kinds of offended over words never even said. Yes, people can be offended over what is said, but you're imagining things to be angry. This is how sensitive and emotional you are.
If you step back and go "hey, maybe this isn't what's being said," you'd be a lot less emotional and a lot more able to think clearly about it. Instead, you're very determined to be slighted and belittled by words not slighting and belittling you.
 
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14. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Apr 11, 2019, 07:17 Drath71
 
mag wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 21:54:
wtf_man wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 14:08:
Beamer wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 13:58:
Cutter wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 13:08:
All this white male bashing is the real racism and bigotry.

Yup, ladies and gentlemen, here we are. Cutter literally, unironically, said the real victims of racism an sexism are the white males.

Technically... he's right.
There is a small percentage of freak groups like "neo nazis" and the "kkk", but all white males (especially ones that disagree with socialistic policies)are labled as "white nationalists" and "racists".

That's like saying every <insert minority race here> is a criminal.

It's bullshit.

The stereotyping needs to fucking stop.

All this "white priviledge" crap also needs to stop. It's taken folks many years to work up to what they have, and saying it's all "white privelege" diminishes what they ACTAULLY EARNED / ACCOMPLISHED.

Which is also bullshit.

I'm a white male, and somehow I have gone my entire life without anyone calling me a white nationalist or a racist. Am I doing something wrong?

Well, all you need to do is publicly state what you just said. Problem solved.
 
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13. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 22:28 RedEye9
 
mag wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 21:54:
I'm a white male, and somehow I have gone my entire life without anyone calling me a white nationalist or a racist. Am I doing something wrong?
doh
Get a scrip for estrogen and eat those babies by the handful like tic tacs.
In no time you'll think everyone who says good morning to you is calling you a racist nationalist piggy white man.

I'm red haired w/blue eyes white, ain't never once had my fragile whiteness shattered. Must be because my glow in the dark white skin is tough. Either that or I don't think everyone is out to get me.
 
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12. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 21:54 mag
 
wtf_man wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 14:08:
Beamer wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 13:58:
Cutter wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 13:08:
All this white male bashing is the real racism and bigotry.

Yup, ladies and gentlemen, here we are. Cutter literally, unironically, said the real victims of racism an sexism are the white males.

Technically... he's right.
There is a small percentage of freak groups like "neo nazis" and the "kkk", but all white males (especially ones that disagree with socialistic policies)are labled as "white nationalists" and "racists".

That's like saying every <insert minority race here> is a criminal.

It's bullshit.

The stereotyping needs to fucking stop.

All this "white priviledge" crap also needs to stop. It's taken folks many years to work up to what they have, and saying it's all "white privelege" diminishes what they ACTAULLY EARNED / ACCOMPLISHED.

Which is also bullshit.

I'm a white male, and somehow I have gone my entire life without anyone calling me a white nationalist or a racist. Am I doing something wrong?
 
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11. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 18:34 RedEye9
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 15:03:
And you probably won't to this feedback, either, ....
Well Miss Cleo it looks like you guessed right this time.
ya got any hot stock tips ya wanna share. Grin
 
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10. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 16:29 wtf_man
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 15:03:
You are being overly sensitive about this and not thinking clearly or rationally about it. And you probably won't to this feedback, either, but once you trot out the "all" argument, you should recognize that you're leading with your emotions, not your rational side.

Overly sensitive?

Just like every other "Politically Correct" nuance out there to what is deemed "offensive"?

It's ok for others to be offended by whatever circumstance or speech, but not me because I'm a white male?

So I'm overly sensitive... yet anyone else that is offended by whatever act / verbage is justified.

The funny thing is that likeminded folks of your point of view don't see the reverse discrimination in this attitude. You just say I'm (we're) whining.

As for being offended by the term, and "supposidly not have accomplished anything"... it's taken my wife and myself over 20 years to reach a slightly upper middle-class income, and it was done all with hard work, continuing education, slowly climbing the ladder, and typical financial ups and downs. Anyone claiming it was "practically given to us" since we're white, needs to examine their own work ethics.
 
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9. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 15:03 Beamer
 
wtf_man wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 14:08:
The stereotyping needs to fucking stop.

All this "white priviledge" crap also needs to stop. It's taken folks many years to work up to what they have, and saying it's all "white privelege" diminishes what they ACTAULLY EARNED / ACCOMPLISHED.

Which is also bullshit.

I can't fathom the amount of wrong in your post:

1) No one ever says "all white males are neo-nazis." If you're hearing this, you need to listen more carefully. It's not what's being said, but it's what so many hear. This is why it's frequently said that white males are fragile - because so many of us hear a criticism and put the word "all" in front of it. I can separate myself from the complaints, most of which have a lot of validity

2) No one is taking away your accomplishments (though, frankly, the more likely one is to whine about the term "white privilege," the less likely it seems they've accomplished anything.)
Perhaps we've had this discussion before, but it's like an RPG. If you role a 100 in whiteness but a 1 in everything else, you're going to have a bad time and achieving things is an accomplishment. But if you role a 1 in whiteness, your time will be even worse. There are absolutely plenty of blue-text options for having a high whiteness score. It doesn't make the game easy, but it makes many situations easier.

You are being overly sensitive about this and not thinking clearly or rationally about it. And you probably won't to this feedback, either, but once you trot out the "all" argument, you should recognize that you're leading with your emotions, not your rational side.
 
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8. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 14:08 wtf_man
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 13:58:
Cutter wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 13:08:
All this white male bashing is the real racism and bigotry.

Yup, ladies and gentlemen, here we are. Cutter literally, unironically, said the real victims of racism an sexism are the white males.

Technically... he's right.
There is a small percentage of freak groups like "neo nazis" and the "kkk", but all white males (especially ones that disagree with socialistic policies)are labled as "white nationalists" and "racists".

That's like saying every <insert minority race here> is a criminal.

It's bullshit.

The stereotyping needs to fucking stop.

All this "white priviledge" crap also needs to stop. It's taken folks many years to work up to what they have, and saying it's all "white privelege" diminishes what they ACTAULLY EARNED / ACCOMPLISHED.

Which is also bullshit.
 
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7. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 14:07 RedEye9
 

From the pages of jdreyer;
White conservative males are the real oppressed victims. Amirite?
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-greatest-terrorist-threat-the-one-we-never-talk-about

ninja'ed by the beamerman
 
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6. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 13:58 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 13:08:
All this white male bashing is the real racism and bigotry.

Yup, ladies and gentlemen, here we are. Cutter literally, unironically, said the real victims of racism an sexism are the white males.
 
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5. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 13:08 Cutter
 
Give me a break with the white nationalist boogeymen bullshit already. There are plenty of other groups out there that are much worse. All this white male bashing is the real racism and bigotry. And all the real hate groups are using that to their advantage.
 
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4. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 12:08 qsto
 
Boo hoo, here's a 'white nationalist' for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoWzQLO_UuY

Are you sure you can breathe?
 
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3. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 11:36 Acleacius
 
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 10, 2019, 10:11:
Now if we could only disable white nationalists.
Exactly, the white supremacists just won again. They got exactly what they wanted, preventing the nation and world from learning about it. It was a clearly coordinated effort with republicans, who were trying to deny it even existed during the hearing.
 
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people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
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2. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 10:17 Mr. Tact
 
That would be nice, but it unfortunately won't happen any time soon and certainly not in our lifetimes.  
Truth is brutal. Prepare for pain.
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1. Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 10, 2019, 10:11 RedEye9
 
Now if we could only disable white nationalists.  
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