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Well, it was already an interesting offseason for the New York Football Giants before they traded OBJ to the Browns. I don't really have words. A few years ago a trade between these two teams would be characterized as one of the NFL's most solid franchises making a deal with one of the leagues most hapless teams. I fear that description is still accurate, except the descriptions of the two teams should be swapped. I can only hope I'm wrong about that.

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32. followup Mar 16, 2019, 16:22 RedEye9
 

Airplane groundings are rare.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/16/business/us-airplane-groundings-history/index.html

 
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31. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 14, 2019, 00:37 MoreLuckThanSkill
 
WarPig wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 23:56:
No reason to throw good money after bad - although that 16 million could cost them a good young player they'd rather keep. I'm talking more about the terrible lack of planning and how the fans have a right to be disgusted.

I've been a Giants fan for like 30 years... based off their actions the past 5-7 or so, I'm surprised they have any championships at all, let alone winning seasons.

They'll be in rebuilding mode for a good 2-3 years at this rate, probably more like 5. I'd hope this is like the Cowboys trading away Herschel Walker in the 90s, but the reality is the Giants don't have that kind of talent in their leadership.
 
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30. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 23:56 WarPig
 
But why does this matter? Yeah, they gave Beckham a lot of money, but, I mean, the Giants are ludicrously profitable. Money isn't an issue. And yeah, they have a lot of dead cap space, but if the Giants aren't planning to win next season, why does it matter?

They'll have 100-130M the season after.

Again, you're probably not wrong. No reason to throw good money after bad - although that 16 million could cost them a good young player they'd rather keep. I'm talking more about the terrible lack of planning and how the fans have a right to be disgusted.
 
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29. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 23:43 MoreLuckThanSkill
 
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 21:56:
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 18:14:
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 15:47:
FAA Finally Grounds the Boeing 737.


Also, this sort of thing happens relatively often in aviation
Your definition of relatively often does not jibe with either "relatively" or "often" with only 3 other examples to choose from.
1979, the FAA grounded the McDonnell Douglas DC-10
1998, the FAA grounded some old Boeing 737 jets
2013, the FAA grounded Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner

Instead what probably happens relatively often is the following:
In 2007, two FAA whistleblowers, attempted to ground Southwest after finding cracks in the fuselage of an aircraft, but were prevented by supervisors said to be friendly with the airline.

No offense, but a lot of things happen that don't get on the news. Airlines agree to ground portions of their fleets 'relatively often' as I said. Similar to what happened here, SWA, UAL, AAL all grounded their Maxes after talking to the FAA, NTSB, etc. The only irregularity here is that Trump somehow got involved and apparently issued yet another executive order about these aircraft.

Of course we can disagree on what's relatively often, but I definitely mean more than 4 times since 1979. I don't keep a log book, but I know it's happened for various maintenance issues at least a half dozen times since 2001, where airlines/FAA agree to ground whatever Flight System version or model number aircraft because of potential issues. Luckily for us all, they usually get to it before multiple fatal accidents occur. The length of the grounding varies; the Maxes might be grounded for months, since it's some software issue and they only make up about 5% of the current US airline combined fleet. However, Boeing has sold (and/or has orders for) a shitload of these things, so I'm sure they will want to fix this ASAP and get recertified quickly.

That said, air travel is the safest mode of travel statistically, don't take this the wrong way, don't be afraid to get on a plane, etc. etc. *insert standard placations here*

*EDIT* Typo/grammar.

This comment was edited on Mar 14, 2019, 00:16.
 
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28. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 21:56 RedEye9
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 18:14:
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 15:47:
FAA Finally Grounds the Boeing 737.


Also, this sort of thing happens relatively often in aviation
Your definition of relatively often does not jibe with either "relatively" or "often" with only 3 other examples to choose from.
1979, the FAA grounded the McDonnell Douglas DC-10
1998, the FAA grounded some old Boeing 737 jets
2013, the FAA grounded Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner

Instead what probably happens relatively often is the following:
In 2007, two FAA whistleblowers, attempted to ground Southwest after finding cracks in the fuselage of an aircraft, but were prevented by supervisors said to be friendly with the airline.
 
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27. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 21:40 Jivaro
 
Bell and Brown have shown the league the template. If you are good enough you can wield that power.

I figure the Brown ordeal basically pushed the Giants to do something before beckham did. This coming season is most likely not going to be good and Beckham has zero filter or self control. I don't blame the Giants at all. Maybe they should have seen the writing on the wall earlier and done things differently at his time of re-signing, but since then Pittsburg ordeal has got to have affected the way GMs are doing business and writing contracts. Particularly new GMs like in NY.
 
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26. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 21:28 RedEye9
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 21:15:
The best way to cook bacon is to cook it the way you like it. Screw the cancer risk.
All my vegan friends still chow down on bacon, it's just that good.
 
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25. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 21:15 Mr. Tact
 
The best way to cook bacon is to cook it the way you like it. Screw the cancer risk.  
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24. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 20:53 Beamer
 
WarPig wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 19:34:
This move was necessary. It's the Giants committing to a full rebuild, and without doing a full rebuild, they'd never be anything better than mediocre.

Well that's fine, but there's a way to do it that doesn't involve giving the guy over $21.5 million dollars just seven months ago.

From ESPN:

Let's look at two scenarios. Scenario 1 is what would have happened if they hadn't given him a long-term deal and franchised him for 2019 before making the trade. (Remember, the Giants didn't use their franchise tag this offseason.) Scenario 2 is what actually happened.

Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap

Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap

That's not a typo. Because Gettleman (or ownership) temporarily decided to keep Beckham around, the Giants paid an extra $13 million out of their coffers and will eat $16 million in dead money on this year's cap for the privilege of doing so. This isn't really a big competitive concern since the Giants don't appear to be particularly close to contending in 2019, but it's a sign of how shortsighted the franchise was in signing OBJ before giving things up seven months later.

It's crazy. I do feel bad for Giants fans everywhere, and at the same time I feel good for Browns fans who deserve to finally be on the right side of a crazy deal for once.

And as far as the Browns go, if Mayfield progresses in his second year like he should, I think the AFC North is ripe for the taking this year.

But why does this matter? Yeah, they gave Beckham a lot of money, but, I mean, the Giants are ludicrously profitable. Money isn't an issue. And yeah, they have a lot of dead cap space, but if the Giants aren't planning to win next season, why does it matter?

They'll have 100-130M the season after.
 
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23. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 19:51 jdreyer
 
bigspender wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 19:42:
What's the best way to cook bacon?

Is there a way to cook it where it won't give you 18% increase in colon cancer?

Sure. Burn it to a charred crisp. Then your chance will no longer be 18%, it will be 30%.
 
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 19:42 bigspender
 
What's the best way to cook bacon?

Is there a way to cook it where it won't give you 18% increase in colon cancer?
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 19:34 WarPig
 
This move was necessary. It's the Giants committing to a full rebuild, and without doing a full rebuild, they'd never be anything better than mediocre.

Well that's fine, but there's a way to do it that doesn't involve giving the guy over $21.5 million dollars just seven months ago.

From ESPN:

Let's look at two scenarios. Scenario 1 is what would have happened if they hadn't given him a long-term deal and franchised him for 2019 before making the trade. (Remember, the Giants didn't use their franchise tag this offseason.) Scenario 2 is what actually happened.

Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap

Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap

That's not a typo. Because Gettleman (or ownership) temporarily decided to keep Beckham around, the Giants paid an extra $13 million out of their coffers and will eat $16 million in dead money on this year's cap for the privilege of doing so. This isn't really a big competitive concern since the Giants don't appear to be particularly close to contending in 2019, but it's a sign of how shortsighted the franchise was in signing OBJ before giving things up seven months later.

It's crazy. I do feel bad for Giants fans everywhere, and at the same time I feel good for Browns fans who deserve to finally be on the right side of a crazy deal for once.

And as far as the Browns go, if Mayfield progresses in his second year like he should, I think the AFC North is ripe for the taking this year.
 
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 18:57 Jivaro
 
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 18:33:
Mr. Tact wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 17:38:
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 15:47:
Speaking of home dentistry, I had a client call me at 10pm last night because she could not send emails. She uses gmail.
Uh, do your customers normally call you directly? Are you working IT in a company or are you some kind of independent consultant?
Yes, people call me directly. Last night was not normal. I don't work for a company, it's just me.

This seems like the beginning of a modern twist on plumber pornos. Just saying.
 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 18:41 Mr. Tact
 
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 18:33:
Yes, people call me directly. Last night was not normal. I don't work for a company, it's just me.
Dude, time to get an office line. If nothing else, just use a Google Voice number.
 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 18:33 RedEye9
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 17:38:
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 15:47:
Speaking of home dentistry, I had a client call me at 10pm last night because she could not send emails. She uses gmail.
Uh, do your customers normally call you directly? Are you working IT in a company or are you some kind of independent consultant?
Yes, people call me directly. Last night was not normal. I don't work for a company, it's just me.
 
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17. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 18:14 MoreLuckThanSkill
 
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 15:47:
FAA Finally Grounds the Boeing 737.


Clarification: FAA grounds the B737 Max 8 and Max 9. If they grounded all the earlier variations of B737s, Air Traffic and the US economy would tank.

Shutting down Max 8/9 operations is bad but survivable for the airlines, and they'll be back in a few months I'm sure. The plane has too many damned advantages not to be back in under a year.

Also, this sort of thing happens relatively often in aviation, there were just two recent pretty high profile fatal crashes, so this is all over the news.
 
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16. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 17:38 Mr. Tact
 
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 15:47:
Speaking of home dentistry, I had a client call me at 10pm last night because she could not send emails. She uses gmail.
Uh, do your customers normally call you directly? Are you working IT in a company or are you some kind of independent consultant?
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 17:34 Mr. Tact
 
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 15:47:
FAA Finally Grounds the Boeing 737.
Watching this playout was like pulling your own teeth w/out anesthetic.
I guess the new Transportation Secretary was not yet willing to flex her muscles, hopefully this is not a precursor to her future job performance.
 
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14. Re: New fuel cell could help fix the renewable energy storage problem Mar 13, 2019, 17:04 jdreyer
 
Simon Says wrote on Mar 13, 2019, 13:07:
97% efficiency after going both ways of the fuel cell? Damn, I'm impressed.

Let's hope they can scale it up and it doesn't necessitate costly and or rare elements as well as too much energy to produce.

Reading the story, they're mixing multiple alloys with ceramic to make the fuel electrode and get those high efficiencies. It really depends on what those electrodes are, as typically the contain expensive metals like platinum and palladium. Story doesn't say.
 
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13. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 13, 2019, 15:47 RedEye9
 

FAA Finally Grounds the Boeing 737.
Watching this playout was like pulling your own teeth w/out anesthetic.

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Speaking of home dentistry, I had a client call me at 10pm last night because she could not send emails. She uses gmail.

https://downdetector.com/status/gmail to the rescue. You can still see the big blip on the chart. I told her it was down.

https://www.cnet.com/news/gmail-is-down-outage-around-the-world-for-some-users/


 
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