Metro Exodus Epic Deal Sparks Backlash

One good outcry deserves another, and recent review scores on Steam for Metro: Last Light Redux and Metro 2033 Redux are suffering at the hands of users unhappy with the announcement that the Metro Exodus will be sold exclusively through the Epic Games Store. In many past cases customers have concealed the agenda behind their review bombing, but PCGamesN notes that in this case many of these new reviews address the Epic deal directly, some including an ASCII giving Epic the bird over this. An interesting aspect of this situation is highlighted by Ars Technica, where they discuss how the lower commission taken by the Epic Games Store may lead to some games being sold there at a lower price. This is the case with Metro Exodus, which can be pre-purchased from Epic for ten dollars less than Steam was charging. Ars notes this still means more profit for the developer and publisher, as their 70% cut of Steam's $59.99 price tag is $41.93, while 88% of Epic's $49.99 SRP is $43.99.
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Prez wrote on Feb 1, 2019, 08:20:
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Goddammit. How am I supposed to read your forking shirt if it gets removed???

I assume you have watched all of The Good Place. If not, what's wrong with you? .

I feel like that would be an awesome Blue's News shirt! A navy color shirt with the red *REMOVED*

Haha that's a good idea actually.
Nobody would know what it means, but it's a perfect shirt for this community lol

It would have to have Cutter's avatar pic on the back.

I agree. Then underneath would be the lettering of what I see in some posts here: "To view this user's posts click on the username"
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Goddammit. How am I supposed to read your forking shirt if it gets removed???

I assume you have watched all of The Good Place. If not, what's wrong with you? .
It was one of my better Percentages comment, guess I just trolled it too far. Wink Now about those shirts!!!
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Sepharo wrote on Feb 1, 2019, 04:00:
Kxmode wrote on Feb 1, 2019, 03:38:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 1, 2019, 03:07:
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 12:37:
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Goddammit. How am I supposed to read your forking shirt if it gets removed???

I assume you have watched all of The Good Place. If not, what's wrong with you? .

I feel like that would be an awesome Blue's News shirt! A navy color shirt with the red *REMOVED*

Haha that's a good idea actually.
Nobody would know what it means, but it's a perfect shirt for this community lol

It would have to have Cutter's avatar pic on the back.
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jdreyer wrote on Feb 1, 2019, 03:07:
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 12:37:
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Goddammit. How am I supposed to read your forking shirt if it gets removed???

I assume you have watched all of The Good Place. If not, what's wrong with you? .

I feel like that would be an awesome Blue's News shirt! A navy color shirt with the red *REMOVED*

Haha that's a good idea actually.
Nobody would know what it means, but it's a perfect shirt for this community lol
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jdreyer wrote on Feb 1, 2019, 03:07:
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Goddammit. How am I supposed to read your forking shirt if it gets removed???

I assume you have watched all of The Good Place. If not, what's wrong with you? .

I feel like that would be an awesome Blue's News shirt! A navy color shirt with the red *REMOVED*
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." - Those Who Remain by G. Michael Hopf
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Re: Metro Exodus Epic Deal Sparks Backlash
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I gotta admit that DS showing made me chuckle, as did some of his comments. Bravo, KX.
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dsmart wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 10:16:
Creston wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 09:46:
Slick wrote on Jan 30, 2019, 17:58:
And why on earth do you assume Epic paid them off to get Exodus on their store?

Because

A) That's how these kind of deals work.
B) The math likely doesn't work out otherwise.

They know full well that they're going to lose sales by not being on Steam. Partially from people who refuse to buy anywhere else, and partially just from the fact that the Epic store has nowhere near the reach and registered customers that Steam does.

They make an educated guess (or have done market research) to see how many sales they lose, versus the extra money they retain from going to the Epic store. Since they lowered the price by 10 bucks for US customers, and they only make $2 extra on a sale now, they either have to think they'll lose very very few sales, or they've got a bag of cash from Epic that's the equivalent of X number of sales (or possibly a guarantee that if they don't sell X number, Epic will make up the difference.)

Nobody's going to willfully exclude the biggest store in the PC gaming world without some kind of backup.

These kinds of deals have been made many times before.

Yup. Exclusives like this always come with some financial guarantee. No way in hell they would risk the ire, bad faith vibes from Valve, depreciated sales etc - just to move over for free.

As I mentioned in my Tweet thread, you get a bit more than just money.

So if you think about it, assuming you get the nod from Epic, this is what you end up with:

1) More money (higher royalties)

2) Better discovery of your game

3) No toxic community bs to deal with

That's basically it. All of it.

I would agree with 2 of those except...

Better discovery? Compared to the steam app? If you are a big release you get 2 top spots (pop-up and full store banner) in the client, as well as high placement in discovery queues. On Epic Store Metro Exodus is already a FULL scroll down

Secondly, if anyone in your friends list bought "A" game on steam, it gets listed in activity feed...

So better discovery maybe on day 15 before release, but as more games get added Metro Exodus won't even be ON the first page. Try finding Satisfactory on the Epic Store website right now, do note how far down you have to scroll. (4 pages on my 1440p fullscreened browser..) so eh.. not sure about discovery. And lastly, no toxic community, well of course you don't have to deal with that shit on Epic Store, but you also have NO community that helps with discovery or gameplay questions, with guides, artwork, screenshots etc. | Half of all my bought games are sourced from games my friends wishlisted on steam which is prominent in the activity feed or from screenshots someone posts to my feed.

I mean, obviously everyone now talks about THIS game, but the average "nub" customer ain't gonna scroll down 4 pages to see a game he likes unless a friend told him to do so.
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Goddammit. How am I supposed to read your forking shirt if it gets removed???

I assume you have watched all of The Good Place. If not, what's wrong with you? .
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Kxmode wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 19:46:
dsmart wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 19:21:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 16:11:

What game? Who is Deepsilver?

All I care about is that DS posted here

LOL!! I pop in once in awhile, especially if it's about Star Citizen or as in this case, I get invoked via the The Signal :p

Ah man and here I thought you had magical powers to sense when and where your name was uttered three times. Facade shattered!

But he just confirmed that he does have that power Thinking2
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dsmart wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 19:23:
Beamer wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 16:33:
In the long run, I mean, Epic needs users for this thing to live. It needs users to keep investing in it, and it needs users to keep publishers interested.


Things Epic does not have:
Users
Anything more than the most bare customer support (including forums)
Cloud saves
Anything to let you interact with other players
Time to build all of these things that took Valve 15 years
Money to blow on something extremely expensive that may be pointless

Things Epic does have:
Control of their fee structure (to undercut Steam)
Enough money to bring some timed exclusives (to draw consumers)


Over time, it could grow to something great. It won't do it without traffic and publishers, though, and it's impossible to compete on Steam normally right now.

I don't see much benefit to consumers, even over time, in pricing. Publishers control the pricing. A movie is generally the same on Apple as Amazon as Google as YouTube. Competition between platforms didn't lower prices (but competition in products did.0

Oh you made a list. That's so cute.

This is a REAL list.



No, it's not trying to be comprehensive. It's trying to explain why the Epic store isn't as feature rich. That it only has two levers to pull.

Believe it or not, I know storefronts better than you do.
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Oh god, here we go
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dsmart wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 19:19:
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 11:14:
I read Derek's article from top to bottom and I find that I do not disagree with him.
You realize that was the gist of my thread, right? So what exactly are you disagreeing with?
For starters; Your Reading Comprehension
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Re: Metro Exodus Epic Deal Sparks Backlash
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Re: Metro Exodus Epic Deal Sparks Backlash Jan 31, 2019, 19:46
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dsmart wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 19:21:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 16:11:

What game? Who is Deepsilver?

All I care about is that DS posted here

LOL!! I pop in once in awhile, especially if it's about Star Citizen or as in this case, I get invoked via the The Signal :p

Ah man and here I thought you had magical powers to sense when and where your name was uttered three times. Facade shattered!
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Jan 31, 2019, 19:23
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Beamer wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 16:33:
In the long run, I mean, Epic needs users for this thing to live. It needs users to keep investing in it, and it needs users to keep publishers interested.


Things Epic does not have:
Users
Anything more than the most bare customer support (including forums)
Cloud saves
Anything to let you interact with other players
Time to build all of these things that took Valve 15 years
Money to blow on something extremely expensive that may be pointless

Things Epic does have:
Control of their fee structure (to undercut Steam)
Enough money to bring some timed exclusives (to draw consumers)


Over time, it could grow to something great. It won't do it without traffic and publishers, though, and it's impossible to compete on Steam normally right now.

I don't see much benefit to consumers, even over time, in pricing. Publishers control the pricing. A movie is generally the same on Apple as Amazon as Google as YouTube. Competition between platforms didn't lower prices (but competition in products did.0

Oh you made a list. That's so cute.

This is a REAL list.


Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them
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Re: Metro Exodus Epic Deal Sparks Backlash
Jan 31, 2019, 19:21
Re: Metro Exodus Epic Deal Sparks Backlash Jan 31, 2019, 19:21
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eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 16:11:

What game? Who is Deepsilver?

All I care about is that DS posted here

LOL!! I pop in once in awhile, especially if it's about Star Citizen or as in this case, I get invoked via the The Signal :p
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them
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Re: Metro Exodus Epic Deal Sparks Backlash
Jan 31, 2019, 19:19
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Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 11:14:
I read Derek's article from top to bottom and I find that I do not disagree with him.

At the end of the day, this is a business decision and all business decisions are driven by "How much of X investment reaps the greatest profit? Y? Z? A? Whichever is greatest, that's what is chosen."

You realize that was the gist of my thread, right? So what exactly are you disagreeing with?
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Jan 31, 2019, 16:58
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Kxmode wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 16:45:
Beamer wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 16:33:
Things Epic does not have:
Users
Anything more than the most bare customer support (including forums)
Cloud saves
Anything to let you interact with other players
Time to build all of these things that took Valve 15 years
Money to blow on something extremely expensive that may be pointless

- Globally normalized payment processing (e.g. not passing off high transaction fees to customer in different countries).

100% the biggest issue right now. Most of those have some impact, but mostly marginal given that it's a single player game likely with no modding.
But yes, I forgot this, and Epic needs to get it handled asap.
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Kxmode
 
Re: Metro Exodus Epic Deal Sparks Backlash Jan 31, 2019, 16:45
Jan 31, 2019, 16:45
 Kxmode
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 16:33:
Things Epic does not have:
Users
Anything more than the most bare customer support (including forums)
Cloud saves
Anything to let you interact with other players
Time to build all of these things that took Valve 15 years
Money to blow on something extremely expensive that may be pointless

- Globally normalized payment processing (e.g. not passing off high transaction fees to customer in different countries).
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." - Those Who Remain by G. Michael Hopf
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Jan 31, 2019, 16:33
Beamer
 
Re: Metro Exodus Epic Deal Sparks Backlash Jan 31, 2019, 16:33
Jan 31, 2019, 16:33
 Beamer
 
In the long run, I mean, Epic needs users for this thing to live. It needs users to keep investing in it, and it needs users to keep publishers interested.


Things Epic does not have:
Users
Anything more than the most bare customer support (including forums)
Cloud saves
Anything to let you interact with other players
Time to build all of these things that took Valve 15 years
Money to blow on something extremely expensive that may be pointless

Things Epic does have:
Control of their fee structure (to undercut Steam)
Enough money to bring some timed exclusives (to draw consumers)


Over time, it could grow to something great. It won't do it without traffic and publishers, though, and it's impossible to compete on Steam normally right now.

I don't see much benefit to consumers, even over time, in pricing. Publishers control the pricing. A movie is generally the same on Apple as Amazon as Google as YouTube. Competition between platforms didn't lower prices (but competition in products did.0
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Jan 31, 2019, 16:23
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eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 31, 2019, 16:11:
What game? Who is Deepsilver?

All I care about is that DS posted here

and the dank memes
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