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35. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 9, 2019, 10:22 RedEye9
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 9, 2019, 02:46:
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 8, 2019, 13:16:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:20:
My concern is that it's not the card, but the power supply, which is 9 years old at this point.
$59.99 EVGA 1000W GOLD Power Supply(BSTK)
https://www.cdw.com/product/evga-1000w-gold-power-supply-bstk/5395342?pfm=srh
I think it's this model https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=210-GQ-1000-V1, i dont think cdw's shipping could even ruin the deal.

I picked up this one. A bit pricey, but wanted rock solid stability and that 10 year warranty.
Awesome
You could have spent more money but you could not have bought a better PSU. https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/02/28/seasonic_prime_750w_gold_power_supply_review/9

And whatever you do never , and i mean Never go looking for another psu after buying one.
[url=https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139205&Description=CORSAIR%20HX%20Series%20HX1200%20&cm_re=CORSAIR_HX_Series_HX1200-_-17-139-205-_-Product]10 yr warranty Platinum rated CORSAIR HX1200 $119.99
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https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/01/23/corsair_hx1000_1000w_power_supply_review/9


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34. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 9, 2019, 02:46 jdreyer
 
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 8, 2019, 13:16:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:20:
My concern is that it's not the card, but the power supply, which is 9 years old at this point.
$59.99 EVGA 1000W GOLD Power Supply(BSTK)
https://www.cdw.com/product/evga-1000w-gold-power-supply-bstk/5395342?pfm=srh
I think it's this model https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=210-GQ-1000-V1, i dont think cdw's shipping could even ruin the deal.

I picked up this one. A bit pricey, but wanted rock solid stability and that 10 year warranty.
 
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33. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 9, 2019, 00:20 theglaze
 
Simon Says wrote on Jan 8, 2019, 16:33:
theglaze wrote on Jan 8, 2019, 13:19:
Benchmarks are out for that 2060, and it's basically got 1070ti/1080 performance, and has launched at $200/$100 USD LESS.

Whoever was whining, quit it!

Still priced as a x70, not a x60. Performance improvement less than the 1060 that easily beat the 980 and which was still 100$ cheaper at msrp.

Strange how "whining" means having a working memory for some people.

Also, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2fPWQQSdu4

Same is true with the 2060^^

Christ, is that a spreadsheet YouTube video?

Fine, I’m wrong. The 2060 has an inflated price like the rest of the lineup.

Hopefully poor sales lead to quicker price drops and some good deals for next fall/Christmas.
 
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32. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 8, 2019, 16:33 Simon Says
 
theglaze wrote on Jan 8, 2019, 13:19:
Benchmarks are out for that 2060, and it's basically got 1070ti/1080 performance, and has launched at $200/$100 USD LESS.

Whoever was whining, quit it!

Still priced as a x70, not a x60. Performance improvement less than the 1060 that easily beat the 980 and which was still 100$ cheaper at msrp.

Strange how "whining" means having a working memory for some people.

Also, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2fPWQQSdu4

Same is true with the 2060^^
 
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31. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 8, 2019, 15:46 RedEye9
 
theglaze wrote on Jan 8, 2019, 13:19:
Benchmarks are out for that 2060, and it's basically got 1070ti/1080 performance, and has launched at $200/$100 USD LESS. Whoever was whining, quit it!
You know you're allowed to share those links with the rest of us so we can see for ourselves. Plus you can send them to Blue so even more people can see the info. Wink
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What kills it for me is 6gb, oh well.

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https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-review/
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/nvidia-rtx-2060-review-benchmarks-founders-edition
NVIDIA RTX 2060 6GB Founders Edition Review: Stronger Positioning

Everyone is showing $350, is it too early to not quit whining again?

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30. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 8, 2019, 13:19 theglaze
 
Benchmarks are out for that 2060, and it's basically got 1070ti/1080 performance, and has launched at $200/$100 USD LESS.

Whoever was whining, quit it!
 
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29. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 8, 2019, 13:16 RedEye9
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:20:
My concern is that it's not the card, but the power supply, which is 9 years old at this point.
$59.99 EVGA 1000W GOLD Power Supply(BSTK)
https://www.cdw.com/product/evga-1000w-gold-power-supply-bstk/5395342?pfm=srh
I think it's this model https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=210-GQ-1000-V1, i dont think cdw's shipping could even ruin the deal.
 
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28. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 8, 2019, 10:04 Prez
 
Steele Johnson wrote on Jan 8, 2019, 01:43:
Scheherazade wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 10:36:
Prez wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 10:02:
My first add-in gfx card was a 3DFX Voodoo but I can't remember what it cost, only that for the time it wasn't at all cheap. Maybe it's because I'm older now but I don't view any gfx card under $450-$500 to be high end these days.

In the last few generations, $500 was the top end about half the time, with $700 being the top end the other half of the time.

Now it's:
$1300 top end (2080ti) (That's on the cheap side. More like $1500 if you want something in stock)
$750 upper-mid level (2080)
$550 for mid level (2070)
$350 for lower-mid (2060)

(and eventually the 2050 will be the rock bottom (for I'm guessing $250?))


Ironically, unlike earlier generations, the 2080ti isn't even a complete chip - it has sections disabled. So it's actually more related to the 1080 (not the 1080ti, which was a complete chip without sections disabled).

Today you need to spot for the RTX titan to get a complete chip, which will run you $2500.

-scheherazade



And all while 8 bit side-scrollers are winning pc game of the year.

Hey a great game is a great game. And just you wait til Dead Cells 2 comes out in VR with raytracing!
 
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27. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 8, 2019, 01:47 jdreyer
 
Steele Johnson wrote on Jan 8, 2019, 01:43:
And all while 8 bit side-scrollers are winning pc game of the year.

C'mon man, Into the Breach is not a side scroller!

It is 16 bits of fucking awesome, however.
 
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26. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 8, 2019, 01:43 Steele Johnson
 
Scheherazade wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 10:36:
Prez wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 10:02:
My first add-in gfx card was a 3DFX Voodoo but I can't remember what it cost, only that for the time it wasn't at all cheap. Maybe it's because I'm older now but I don't view any gfx card under $450-$500 to be high end these days.

In the last few generations, $500 was the top end about half the time, with $700 being the top end the other half of the time.

Now it's:
$1300 top end (2080ti) (That's on the cheap side. More like $1500 if you want something in stock)
$750 upper-mid level (2080)
$550 for mid level (2070)
$350 for lower-mid (2060)

(and eventually the 2050 will be the rock bottom (for I'm guessing $250?))


Ironically, unlike earlier generations, the 2080ti isn't even a complete chip - it has sections disabled. So it's actually more related to the 1080 (not the 1080ti, which was a complete chip without sections disabled).

Today you need to spot for the RTX titan to get a complete chip, which will run you $2500.

-scheherazade



And all while 8 bit side-scrollers are winning pc game of the year.
 
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25. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 7, 2019, 23:17 CJ_Parker
 
Wallshadows wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 16:03:
CJ_Parker wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:47:
The one you linked to should be an excellent choice (Corsair PSUs are usually quality Seasonic PSUs relabeled).

PSU market is weird. Most don't manufacturer their own models, will often use different OEM brands based on the series, can then use a different model based on the wattage and will depend on the year. You really have to make sure you know what you're getting or just default to a brand like Seasonic.

Corsair sources their inventory from a lot of OEM manufacturers which range from junk to fantastic but I don't think they have any based on Seasonic models. Not that I recall anyway.

This particular model is built by Great Wall. If that name sounds familiar it's the same PSU manufacturer you'll find with those junker Walmart gaming PCs. It's still a fantastic PSU but goes to show how you can't even trust a manufacturer on top of everything else when it comes to the PSU market.

750w is a little excessive though especially for a 2070. Could save a couple bucks and get a Seasonic FOCUS 650 Gold.

Thanks for the correction. I guess I confused this with EVGA who source Seasonic PSUs for some models. I thought this Corsair line was Seasonic for some reason. Guess I thought wrong... /selffacepalm
 
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24. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 7, 2019, 22:35 theglaze
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 21:55:
theglaze wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:54:
Considering the prevalence of +144Hz and 4K monitors, plus increasing VR (Pimax has begun steadily shipping 5K+ models)...

4K and VR account for less than 2% of the total market share. The vast majority of gamers don't give a shit as 1080p or less is good enough for more 90% of them.

You're right, it takes a bloody long time for the masses to adopt.

Take refresh rate for example. I haven't used a monitor less than 85Hz since my Viewsonic P95F back in the early 2000's... I can't believe they STILL sell 60Hz monitors to gamers. But thank god there are people out there that value the bleeding edge, otherwise we'd all still be on fuzzy CRTs with those beautiful colours that I still miss.
 
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23. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 7, 2019, 21:55 Burrito of Peace
 
theglaze wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:54:
Considering the prevalence of +144Hz and 4K monitors, plus increasing VR (Pimax has begun steadily shipping 5K+ models)...

4K and VR account for less than 2% of the total market share. The vast majority of gamers don't give a shit as 1080p or less is good enough for more than 90% of them.

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22. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 7, 2019, 17:50 theglaze
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:20:
Still not sure if I should RMA my RTX 2070. Runs Furmark and Heaven fine for hours, but crashes (reboots) on Valley after only 2 minutes. My concern is that it's not the card, but the power supply, which is 9 years old at this point. I'm thinking I should try one of these first.

Thoughts?

Intel 3570K Core i5 @3.6 GHz
16 GB of PC 2100 RAM
Asus Z77 Mbd

I've RMA'ed my 1080 TWICE, a flagship GTX. It worked flawlessly for a period of time, then the occasional glitch, which increased in frequency until it failed completely.

SO if it's the card, through my experience, it will become increasinly evident.

As for PSU, did your card ship with the molex converters to PCIE 6pins? I'd try those first before questioning power output.
 
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21. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 7, 2019, 16:06 RedEye9
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:20:
Still not sure if I should RMA my RTX 2070. Runs Furmark and Heaven fine for hours, but crashes (reboots) on Valley after only 2 minutes. My concern is that it's not the card, but the power supply, which is 9 years old at this point. I'm thinking I should try one of these first.

Thoughts?

Intel 3570K Core i5 @3.6 GHz
16 GB of PC 2100 RAM
Asus Z77 Mbd
These are the only guys who actually stress a psu during testing, take a gander https://www.hardocp.com/reviews/psu_power_supplies/

JDreyer. that's a weird one you got there.
For thoroughness run prime95 overnight or as long as you can. It has to run without any errors.
https://www.mersenne.org/download/
 
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20. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 7, 2019, 16:03 Wallshadows
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:47:
The one you linked to should be an excellent choice (Corsair PSUs are usually quality Seasonic PSUs relabeled).

PSU market is weird. Most don't manufacturer their own models, will often use different OEM brands based on the series, can then use a different model based on the wattage and will depend on the year. You really have to make sure you know what you're getting or just default to a brand like Seasonic.

Corsair sources their inventory from a lot of OEM manufacturers which range from junk to fantastic but I don't think they have any based on Seasonic models. Not that I recall anyway.

This particular model is built by Great Wall. If that name sounds familiar it's the same PSU manufacturer you'll find with those junker Walmart gaming PCs. It's still a fantastic PSU but goes to show how you can't even trust a manufacturer on top of everything else when it comes to the PSU market.

750w is a little excessive though especially for a 2070. Could save a couple bucks and get a Seasonic FOCUS 650 Gold.
 
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19. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 7, 2019, 15:54 theglaze
 
Don't look at just $ and ignore architecture complexity and performance gains, the transistor count has been steadily increasing. Considering the prevalence of +144Hz and 4K monitors, plus increasing VR (Pimax has begun steadily shipping 5K+ models)... IMO the applications exceed AMD/NVIDIA's abilities to engineer.  
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18. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 7, 2019, 15:47 CJ_Parker
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:20:
Still not sure if I should RMA my RTX 2070. Runs Furmark and Heaven fine for hours, but crashes (reboots) on Valley after only 2 minutes. My concern is that it's not the card, but the power supply, which is 9 years old at this point. I'm thinking I should try one of these first.

Thoughts?

Intel 3570K Core i5 @3.6 GHz
16 GB of PC 2100 RAM
Asus Z77 Mbd

Furmark should be more load on the GPU than Valley so that's a bit strange but also kind of reassuring since it's unlikely to be a 2070 issue indeed.

I would definitely try a new PSU. It will be an inevitable replacement in the not too distant future anyway so you might as well get a new one now. The one you linked to should be an excellent choice (Corsair PSUs are usually quality Seasonic PSUs relabeled).
 
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17. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 7, 2019, 15:37 jdreyer
 
Simon Says wrote on Jan 7, 2019, 15:22:
RTX 3050: 300$
RTX 3050ti: 400$
RTX 3060: 500$
RTX 3070: 750$
RTX 3080: 1000$
RTX 3080ti: 1500$
RTX 3080 Titan X: Priceless

Nvidia, the way it's meant to be paid... you peasant!

You forgot one
 
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16. No subject Jan 7, 2019, 15:22 Simon Says
 
RTX 3050: 300$
RTX 3050ti: 400$
RTX 3060: 500$
RTX 3070: 750$
RTX 3080: 1000$
RTX 3080ti: 1500$

Nvidia, the way it's meant to be paid... you peasant!

EDIT: And that thought crime computer... Ouch... That's some crazy shit.

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