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Fallout 1997, Fallout 2 1998 and Torment 1999. Not really seeing the 'saving the CRPG' bit.

I would be interested in seeing the sales numbers for the first year after release for each. I know Torment didn't do as well as they hoped. Not sure how well the Fallouts did compared to BG.

Oh and everyone knows Darklands(1992} started the RTwP craze.
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Other way around. Fallout came out the year before BG. For whatever reasong BG just proved to be insanely popular for the RPG crowd at the time. Probably due it's use of 2'nd edition AD&D and everyone jonesing for a return of the SSI Gold Box games.

I'm sure it's success helped greenlight a number of RPG's that followed. Haven't read the article so they may cover that.

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It didn't save anything. It ruined it in fact because then everyone started doing RTWP. It was Fallout, that was released the previous year, that saved and elevated the CRPG.
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BG2 I would definitely say, NWN too, Icewind Dale even, but BG1? I love and adore the Infinity engine games, but BG 1 is NOT a good RPG.
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WaltC wrote on Dec 28, 2018, 11:22:
I remember people saying that about BG...thought it was ridiculous then, and still do. Every major RPG release has "saved the RPG" according to somebody.

Agree. It was just a coincidental slump in the genre when BG came out. Many RPGs were in development at the same time as BG was released. There just happened to be a coincidental longer than usual gap between notable releases when BG came out.

BG didn't and never needed to save the RPG genre. That's a load of BG/BioWare fanboi horseshit who somehow feel an urge to over-glorify that boring as fuck game.
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They make a good case that western companies had stopped making RPGs around the time that BG development was started, and it helped to revitalize the genre. Still, I fell if BG hadn't done it, another company like Bethesda likely would have. And UO would have come out regardless.
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I remember people saying that about BG...thought it was ridiculous then, and still do. Every major RPG release has "saved the RPG" according to somebody. Predicting that the RPG was dead got to be a very common refrain years ago(along with predicting that "the PC is dead," and so on.) They said it with the Witcher series, etc. BG was the result of the fact that the RPG had never died, of course, and that there was much pent-up desire for the genre. It's odd to see people grope for page hits with "X is dead" articles (It's even been done with God, who by definition cannot die...;)), but even odder still to see people agreeing with the doom and gloom, imo.
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