warmbluelasers wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 21:32:

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 21:10:
When you got such time pressure to make a game you can't balance anything. You are lucky enough if you release something that's even BARELY working.

With Battlefront 2 and Battlefield V using the game-as-a-service model I wonder how long it will become between releases. I wouldn't mind if that same treatment stretches retroactively to BF1 and BF4. Both those games may not be sparkly new but they're still very relevant for graphics and gameplay and there's a healthy enough population still on PC.

The real question is whether investors will let EA waste money on risky projects for 2 or 3 years or if they continue to demand yearly releases. Because if they do then the next Battlefield will come Oct 2019 or Oct 2020 (depends on what part of the studio is working on that new game called "Hardcore" ) Again, a game with less than 2 years of development cycle.

Anthem for example runs the same release schedule as BF5, so it's gonna be a total mess on release I'd wager.

Despite the comments of clueless and burnt out devs, I'm sure that a faster TTK was an intentional decision to differentiate the game from previous versions.

Beamer wrote on Dec 18, 2018, 10:05:

TheEmissary wrote on Dec 18, 2018, 09:13:
Instead of normalizing things back to one hit kill.

It would be nice to see future games factor in localized damage. If your taking damage in your arm it should affect your aiming. If you get damaged in the legs it should affect your movement speed. Or they can reintroduce bleed-out mechanics. Suddenly the Medic class would have a purposed if it was the only class that can fix critically injured limbs or stop a bleed-out.

Games, or mods, have tried this. It isn't fun. Being unable to run or aim is miserable. You won't get any kills that way, so what's the purpose? Everyone would rather respawn and be a viable opponent than flop around wounded and hindered.

What is the reason people play "Hardcore" some of the arguments thrown out there is realism. In reality we aren't cyborg/robots.

I am sure with playtesting a happy medium can be found. Its silly regardless to think that tweaking TTK is the only solution.

TheEmissary wrote on Dec 18, 2018, 09:13:
Instead of normalizing things back to one hit kill.

It would be nice to see future games factor in localized damage. If your taking damage in your arm it should affect your aiming. If you get damaged in the legs it should affect your movement speed. Or they can reintroduce bleed-out mechanics. Suddenly the Medic class would have a purposed if it was the only class that can fix critically injured limbs or stop a bleed-out.

Games, or mods, have tried this. It isn't fun. Being unable to run or aim is miserable. You won't get any kills that way, so what's the purpose? Everyone would rather respawn and be a viable opponent than flop around wounded and hindered.

Choobeastia wrote on Dec 18, 2018, 03:58:
(except for sniper headshots, but that's been an issue since the 1942 days)

Please explain to me why sniper headshots should not be 1 bullet one kill? What would be the point of playing a sniper?

Instead of normalizing things back to one hit kill.

It would be nice to see future games factor in localized damage. If your taking damage in your arm it should affect your aiming. If you get damaged in the legs it should affect your movement speed. Or they can reintroduce bleed-out mechanics. Suddenly the Medic class would have a purposed if it was the only class that can fix critically injured limbs or stop a bleed-out.

This is a welcome revision. TTK at release was great. Fast, but not so fast that you couldn't respond (except for sniper headshots, but that's been an issue since the 1942 days), and it allowed your tactical efforts to pay off, rather than enemies you have the drop on turning around and gunning you down immediately.

I won't mind if they want to refine it further, so long as they don't turn it into babytown frolics where it takes >50% of an SMG mag to kill someone at point blank.

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 21:10:
When you got such time pressure to make a game you can't balance anything. You are lucky enough if you release something that's even BARELY working.

With Battlefront 2 and Battlefield V using the game-as-a-service model I wonder how long it will become between releases. I wouldn't mind if that same treatment stretches retroactively to BF1 and BF4. Both those games may not be sparkly new but they're still very relevant for graphics and gameplay and there's a healthy enough population still on PC.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:20:

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:12:

aka_STEVE wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:10:
How do they make online team based killing games for over 20 years & not have the basics of gameplay TTK down to a science yet ???

Because EA has burned their game designers out. Dice is only a shell of what it was.

It really makes you wonder if the newer devs have played the older games and actually understand what made them popular and fun to play.

Pretty sure that Dice has skilled people. But you can't do much if big money is screaming down your throat to release a game (or more) every year. Dice is really running ragged at this point. Look at their release history, since Battlefront 1 EA has been grinding out a game every year out of Dice, sometimes even more than that. And it REALLY shows now. And it already really showed with Hardline, Battlefront 1,2 and Mirrors Edge Catalyst.

When you got such time pressure to make a game you can't balance anything. You are lucky enough if you release something that's even BARELY working.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:20:

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:12:

aka_STEVE wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:10:
How do they make online team based killing games for over 20 years & not have the basics of gameplay TTK down to a science yet ???

Because EA has burned their game designers out. Dice is only a shell of what it was.

It really makes you wonder if the newer devs have played the older games and actually understand what made them popular and fun to play.

Judging by how they chose to market this game, and how shocked they were by the response, I'm gonna go ahead and state that they have no idea what their target demographic likes.

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:12:

aka_STEVE wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:10:
How do they make online team based killing games for over 20 years & not have the basics of gameplay TTK down to a science yet ???

Because EA has burned their game designers out. Dice is only a shell of what it was.

It really makes you wonder if the newer devs have played the older games and actually understand what made them popular and fun to play.

aka_STEVE wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:10:
How do they make online team based killing games for over 20 years & not have the basics of gameplay TTK down to a science yet ???

Because EA has burned their game designers out. Dice is only a shell of what it was.

How do they make online team based killing games for over 20 years & not have the basics of gameplay TTK down to a science yet ???

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2018, 20:00:
How has ttk changed from the previous BattleFields and what's causing this current blargh.

It's basically click and dead with any LMG and SMG, TTK is absurdly short. Comparable with classic mode in BF4... so surprising to me they launched with that considering classic mode in bf4 was a super hardcore experience.

How has ttk changed from the previous BattleFields and what's causing this current blargh.

Merry Christmas! Finally a dev or publisher that did something right lately! Of course they had to do something wrong first, but let's not get too picky.