Discord Store Undercuts Epic With 10% Split

Why not 90/10? Asks the Discord Blog innocently, as the chat app announces that beginning next year their fledgling game store will begin offering developers 90% of the revenue for games sold there, taking only a 10% cut for themselves. This seems like a response to Epic Games, who made waves when they announced their new store would only keep a 12% cut. Now word is the Discord Store has passed them on the race to the bottom line:
Earlier this year though, we noticed a change happening in the game industry. We talked to a lot of developers, and many of them feel that current stores are not earning their 30% of the usual 70/30 revenue share. Because of this, we now see developers creating their own stores and launchers to distribute their games instead of focusing on what’s really important — making great games and cultivating amazing communities.

So, we asked ourselves a few more questions. Why does it cost 30% to distribute games? Is this the only reason developers are building their own stores and launchers to distribute games?

Turns out, it does not cost 30% to distribute games in 2018. After doing some research, we discovered that we can build amazing developer tools, run them, and give developers the majority of the revenue share.

So, starting in 2019, we are going to extend access to the Discord store and our extremely efficient game patcher by releasing a self-serve game publishing platform. No matter what size, from AAA to single person teams, developers will be able to self publish on the Discord store with 90% revenue share going to the developer. The remaining 10% covers our operating costs, and we’ll explore lowering it by optimizing our tech and making things more efficient.

We will also empower developers to communicate with their players by improving Verified Servers, extending their ability to add great content to the Activity Feed, and more. We believe if we iterate and work with developers, we can reverse platform fragmentation in the game industry while connecting developers and players closer together.
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Re: Discord Store Undercuts Epic With 10% Split
Dec 14, 2018, 17:24
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About time. 30% cut is absurd and monopolistic.
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Re: Discord Store Undercuts Epic With 10% Split
Dec 14, 2018, 17:27
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Maybe this trend motivates Valve to do more than just Steam?
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Dec 14, 2018, 17:33
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Dec 14, 2018, 17:33
 El Pit
 
Next: Origin will offer distribution for free followed by GOG saying they will pay an additional 10% to developers selling their games exclusively via GOG.

I don't think this will end well - just sayin'. Sure, we would all like to see prices fall (they won't - the companies will sell at the same price and will keep every additional dime they make for themselves/their shareholders) or at least see the developers make some extra money for their work, but this is not how this will work, I am afraid.

Hopefully I will be wrong, though.
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Re: Discord Store Undercuts Epic With 10% Split
Dec 14, 2018, 17:37
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 RaZ0r!
 
Let the race to the bottom begin! In the end, Steam will still be standing.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Dec 14, 2018, 17:42
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Dec 14, 2018, 17:42
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This is excellent. We have well-funded companies competing with each other for developer business, which means that they'll end up competing with each other for customers. Steam has run a near-monopoly since PC games left the retail shelves.

Remember the Steam sales of the past? This is how we get them back.

The downside being that should some companies end up way out in front, the others could collapse, taking game libraries with them.
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Re: Discord Store Undercuts Epic With 10% Split
Dec 14, 2018, 17:46
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Everyone should remember that right now all we have is people throwing numbers around...;) It remains to be seen if Epic (or anyone else) can provide the services that GOG and Steam have been providing for years--and at a fraction of the cost these services provide. Competition is great and I'm all for it--but the fact is that soon Epic will have to put up or shut up...;) I put it that way, really, as I see this recent announcement on the part of Epic as pretty much a colossal blunder--similar to Epic's departure from the hardware and the communities of people who put Epic on the map--people gaming with PCs (instead of consoles.) Epic just walked off and has now returned since the x86 PC architecture has devoured everything else in sight except the mobile market--itself way behind technically...;) Epic *had* to come back, etc.

But why not do the intelligent thing and get all your ducks in a row, get everything up, running, and working, and *then* make your undercutting announcement? Because really, as far as anyone knows, Epic may be doing nothing except making a lot of noise just to wrangle much cheaper rates from Steam for its software. We shall see...;)
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Re: Discord Store Undercuts Epic With 10% Split
Dec 14, 2018, 18:30
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Dec 14, 2018, 18:30
 Cutter
 
Derp to all the idiots here that have always Valve has a lot of overhead and needs the 30 points. Distributors could likely go as 5% and still make money doing this. Nice to see other people out there are finally realizing this.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Dec 14, 2018, 18:32
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Blackhawk wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 17:42:
This is excellent. We have well-funded companies competing with each other for developer business, which means that they'll end up competing with each other for customers. Steam has run a near-monopoly since PC games left the retail shelves.

Remember the Steam sales of the past? This is how we get them back.

The downside being that should some companies end up way out in front, the others could collapse, taking game libraries with them.

That's the one major downside. You never know when these storefronts and/or games will disappear. Which is why I won't buy into any of it unless they run it like GOG where I can DL and keep a copy of the game and run it offline in perpetuity.
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Dec 14, 2018, 18:48
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Oh Snap!
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Dec 14, 2018, 18:51
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RedEye9 wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 18:48:
Oh Snap!
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uh wait, wat
How is this good for the consumer???
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Dec 14, 2018, 18:58
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RaZ0r! wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 17:37:
Let the race to the bottom begin! In the end, Steam will still be standing.

This to me is not what the "race to the bottom mean", this is a market being competitive.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Dec 14, 2018, 19:01
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Cutter wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 18:32:
That's the one major downside. You never know when these storefronts and/or games will disappear. Which is why I won't buy into any of it unless they run it like GOG where I can DL and keep a copy of the game and run it offline in perpetuity.

Isn't the Epic store DRM free?
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RedEye9 wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 18:51:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 18:48:
Oh Snap!
Merry XMas MoFos
uh wait, wat
How is this good for the consumer???

What does Steam do to justify a 30% cut? Great customer support? An app that's better than moderately passable? It took them 15 years to offer a return policy even! Their server craps itself every sale, voice chat fails 10% of the time.

Distributors in other sectors like IT hardware and software thrive on less than a 1% cut! Here's the financials for Ingram Micro, the largest software/hardware distributor in the world. They made $215M in after-expense income on $43 BILLION in sales. That's 0.49%.
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 18:51:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 18:48:
Oh Snap!
Merry XMas MoFos
uh wait, wat
How is this good for the consumer???

What does Steam do to justify a 30% cut? Great customer support? An app that's better than moderately passable? It took them 15 years to offer a return policy even! Their server craps itself every sale, voice chat fails 10% of the time.

Distributors in other sectors like IT hardware and software thrive on less than a 1% cut! Here's the financials for Ingram Micro, the largest software/hardware distributor in the world. They made $215M in after-expense income on $43 BILLION in sales. That's 0.49%. https://ingrammicro.gcs-web.com/node/21876/html
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Re: Discord Store Undercuts Epic With 10% Split
Dec 14, 2018, 19:04
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Dec 14, 2018, 19:04
 
We believe if we iterate and work with developers, we can reverse platform fragmentation in the game industry while connecting developers and players closer together.

By fragmenting the players from the developers even further? How does that work exactly?

At least there is a joke here, because most Fortnight players also use.. Discord. And no surprise, Tencent is investor in Discord.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Dec 14, 2018, 19:07
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HorrorScope wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 19:01:
Cutter wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 18:32:
That's the one major downside. You never know when these storefronts and/or games will disappear. Which is why I won't buy into any of it unless they run it like GOG where I can DL and keep a copy of the game and run it offline in perpetuity.

Isn't the Epic store DRM free?

That's because it's so barebones that it's BARELY a working download manager Devs can add DRM as they see fit. Obviously Subnautica choose not to.
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DrSquick wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 19:01:
What does Steam do to justify a 30% cut? Great customer support?
Oh...I don't know....but I guess I can *try* to think of a single thing....
* First product to bring market, libraries, patching, and multiplayer under one banner for any dev.
* Free marketing for products on steam
* Developed Steam workshop for easy management of mods
* Integrated communities
* Exposure for Indie games
* Linux support
* Big Picture mode
* Controller support
* SteamLink
* SteamVR
* Steam Controller
* SteamBox (the political/market implications)

I mean...really...I know it's cool and edgy to hate Gabe/Valve/Steam, but don't pretend like Steam hasn't done amazing things for gaming and provided a wide swath of services for the devs that use it.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Dec 14, 2018, 19:22
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Primalchrome wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 19:12:
DrSquick wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 19:01:
What does Steam do to justify a 30% cut? Great customer support?
Oh...I don't know....but I guess I can *try* to think of a single thing....
* First product to bring market, libraries, patching, and multiplayer under one banner for any dev.
* Free marketing for products on steam
* Developed Steam workshop for easy management of mods
* Integrated communities
* Exposure for Indie games
* Linux support
* Big Picture mode
* Controller support
* SteamLink
* SteamVR
* Steam Controller
* SteamBox (the political/market implications)

I mean...really...I know it's cool and edgy to hate Gabe/Valve/Steam, but don't pretend like Steam hasn't done amazing things for gaming and provided a wide swath of services for the devs that use it.
wtf, you forgot the link app. /s
https://store.steampowered.com/steamlink/about
https://youtu.be/Y7tvauOJMHo

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Re: Out of the Blue
Dec 14, 2018, 21:27
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RedEye9 wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 19:22:
wtf, you forgot the link app. /s
https://store.steampowered.com/steamlink/about
https://youtu.be/Y7tvauOJMHo

Did you see that you can run Link on a little Raspberry Pi now? I think it's a free download.....pretty cool on the whole.
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Re: Evening Legal Briefs
Dec 14, 2018, 21:32
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HorrorScope wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 19:01:
Cutter wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 18:32:
That's the one major downside. You never know when these storefronts and/or games will disappear. Which is why I won't buy into any of it unless they run it like GOG where I can DL and keep a copy of the game and run it offline in perpetuity.

Isn't the Epic store DRM free?
Go DL Subnautica and find out.
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Primalchrome wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 19:12:
DrSquick wrote on Dec 14, 2018, 19:01:
What does Steam do to justify a 30% cut? Great customer support?
Oh...I don't know....but I guess I can *try* to think of a single thing....
* First product to bring market, libraries, patching, and multiplayer under one banner for any dev.
* Free marketing for products on steam
* Developed Steam workshop for easy management of mods
* Integrated communities
* Exposure for Indie games
* Linux support
* Big Picture mode
* Controller support
* SteamLink
* SteamVR
* Steam Controller
* SteamBox (the political/market implications)

I mean...really...I know it's cool and edgy to hate Gabe/Valve/Steam, but don't pretend like Steam hasn't done amazing things for gaming and provided a wide swath of services for the devs that use it.

10000% agree and need to post this again... Without Steam/Valve (and WoW), PC gaming pretty much dead (very dead) when MS gave up PC gaming in 2001 and opened Xbox department. Just remember what kind of PC gaming sh!t we need deal with E fxxking A, Ubisuck, Activision... Do you really think EA will develop Origin, Ubisuck will develop Uplay, GoG will develop GoG Galaxy if Stream is not ULTRA successful?

Go Wikipedia and read how Steam was born. (thanks for the stupid MS, Yahoo and Realplayer) I LOVE Steam and they deserve all their success and become the de facto online game store for PC (and Linux).

The only 2 companies which really made history and pioneer online software stores are Valve - Steam (a game developer!) and Apple - iTune (a hardware company!). MS (the world biggest software company) was just WTF?? I still remembered when MS Office 2013 released in 2012, people were still drove to a Best Buy, bought a copy of MS Office 2013 which is a plastic box contain a card inside that has a product key and download link on it. So you can drove back home/office with the plastic box/key card, turn on your computer, hand type the product key, download the Office and install. This is so fxxking stupid...

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