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25. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 4, 2018, 10:11 BIGtrouble77
 
HorrorScope wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 18:50:
I'm giving AMD CPU's one more generation to see if they can pretty much equal and surpass Intel everywhere and then stomping. I still run a 2011/12 processor and it isn't even bad, just want a little more juice. That was like the Nvidia 500 series then, yeah NVidia doesn't deserve a lot of heat in their % gains category, 580 vs 2080 or even 1080 pff.
This doesn't make any sense. Ryzen is already a better performer considering the price/performance ratio. Intel only wins out at the highest end i7/i9 parts for gaming.
 
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24. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 21:24 SunnyD
 
HorrorScope wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 18:52:
WaltC wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 16:36:
The day I pay $2500 for something nVidia makes will be the day that First Contact occurs...;) Ugh...!

It's not meant for you, if you ask how much is it? This product isn't for you.

Yes. If you have to ask how much, you are obviously not a fool with too much money.

~Finis~
 
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23. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 18:52 HorrorScope
 
WaltC wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 16:36:
The day I pay $2500 for something nVidia makes will be the day that First Contact occurs...;) Ugh...!

It's not meant for you, if you ask how much is it? This product isn't for you.
 
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22. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 18:50 HorrorScope
 
I'm giving AMD CPU's one more generation to see if they can pretty much equal and surpass Intel everywhere and then stomping. I still run a 2011/12 processor and it isn't even bad, just want a little more juice. That was like the Nvidia 500 series then, yeah NVidia doesn't deserve a lot of heat in their % gains category, 580 vs 2080 or even 1080 pff.  
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20. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 16:51 CJ_Parker
 
WaltC wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 16:36:
If you haven't already bought into Ryzen (my 3.8GHz R5 1600 is very nice), you might wish to wait a few months for Ryzen 2--it's confusing, I know

It would be less confusing if YOU began to use the correct terminology in the first place, ya know?

What is coming up is NOT "Ryzen 2". What is coming up in June/July 2019 is "Zen 2". Big difference.

The architecture is called "Zen". The Ryzen processors based on this first generation of the Zen architecture are the Ryzen 1000 and current 2000 series (this one is sometimes called Zen+ since it is an improved Zen 1 part).

The upcoming 3rd generation Ryzen ("Ryzen 3" or 3000 series) will be based on the all new Zen 2 architecture.

It's not confusing at all if you use the correct and appropriate terms for what is what.
 
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19. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 16:46 CJ_Parker
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 16:35:
Having this same conversation over here
https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&boardid=1&threadid=195575&id=1203626

Remember, Computex is right around the corner.
Stuff like PCIe 4.0, Zen 2 (Ryzen 3?) and AMD's PCI x570 chipset is on the horizon or will be announced at Computex.

Depends on one's definition of "right around the corner". Computex is in June. The next very interesting event is CES in early January where AMD is expected to lay out their roadmap for Zen2 (and probably Vega/Navi GPUs) throughout 2019.

It definitely looks like Zen2 will be fully revealed and officially announced at Computex in June with availability hopefully very soon after.

AMD would be well advised to not fuck up that launch in any way. They have the unique chance to release a CPU on a more advanced node than Intel for the first time in history.
They need to hit the market with a bang, i.e. broad availability of CPUs *and* boards right after the announcement, no paper launch bullshit.

AMD need to knock this one out of the park. It's a once in a lifetime chance for them to pull ahead with flying colors.
 
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18. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 16:36 WaltC
 
If you haven't already bought into Ryzen (my 3.8GHz R5 1600 is very nice), you might wish to wait a few months for Ryzen 2--it's confusing, I know, because people call Ryzen+ the "2nd generation" Ryzen, not to be confused with Ryzen 2 at all--which will ship early next year. Ryzen 2 will be the 3rd gen, I guess. But anyway, if you can't wait, no worries, because Ryzen 2 will pop neatly into a x370/x470 motherboard. There has been some talk of a new chipset on the way which supports PCIe x4--an x570--and that would require a new mobo, of course--but that's just talk so far.

In this next year as the Ryzen compilers mature and benchmark companies and game devs learn how to optimize for Ryzen as well as they now optimize for Intel architectures, whatever tiny performance differences that now exist will disappear completely (more than just disappear, I should think.)

The day I pay $2500 for something nVidia makes will be the day that First Contact occurs...;) Ugh...!
 
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17. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 16:35 RedEye9
 

Having the same conversation in this thread;
https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&boardid=1&threadid=195575&id=1203626

Remember, Computex is right around the corner.
Stuff like PCIe 4.0, Zen 2 (Ryzen 3?) and AMD's PCI x570 chipset is on the horizon or will be announced at Computex.

I don't have to have the fastest anymore, AMD will more than suit my needs for years to come.


 
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16. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 16:23 Slick
 
I have a 1700x for my streaming computer, and it's a beast. Best part is that the socket will remain the same until the 3xxx series launching next year, which will include the die-shrink. If you're gonna get AMD now, make sure you get the latest gen mobo, so a drop-in CPU upgrade will support more features in the near future.

If not, I'd say wait for the 3xxx series coming out probably in about 6 months, as it will have the 7nm die-shrink that we've all been waiting for from TSMC.

All in all, nice to see big red kicking ass again, I was happy to support them. Also, in practical terms, Battlefield V runs very CPU-starved. My 4790k is the biggest bottleneck in my system for my gaming PC. Would love to have a hex or octo core, will wait to see what gaming performance the 3xxx series has, or what Intel's 10nm answer to it is sometime in 2019.

Right now these chips are all the last of the 14nm CPUs that will probably ever be produced, we're on the cust of a generational process leap, which are happening slower and slower these days, worth it to wait if you're not impatient.

Still, jealous of the 2950x guy =p
 
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15. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 16:18 Frijoles
 
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 11:28:
So is it worth upgrading to AMD now?

Just bought a Threadripper 2950 and put it in over Thanksgiving. I don't think I've bought AMD in over a decade or more. From my research, Intel still had a lead in speed, but not by much, and it was very expensive. I needed the threads for my VMs and programming, though, so I went with AMD. And then splurged on the 2950. Here's hoping it works out. So far I've been happy with it. Although I think the biggest gain was an upgrade from spinning disk to NVMe. My SSD was small and didn't hold many games. Should have moved entirely to SSD years ago.
 
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14. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 16:02 Riahderymnmaddog
 
A RTX Titan? NONSENSE! The 2080Ti replaced the Titan, and the 2080 replaced the 1080Ti, YouTubers told me so, and we all know they didn't just make that shit up just because....

$2500 seems a bit steep, I wont be buying one.Then again what did Nvidia learn with the last gen? That they couldn't make 1080ti's fast enough and they were selling for $2500 - $3000, so as much as I hate it i can understand why they raised their prices.
 
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13. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 15:07 Kain
 
For the price of an 9700k you can nearly do a respectable Ryzen system build. The price difference just isn't worth it, most of the time you're GPU bottlenecked anyway. I don't know many people who are gaming at 1080p with a 9900k or a Ryzen 2700x where the framerate differences even matter. At 1440p to 4k the framerate differences in most games aren't enough to matter.

I find Intel platforms as a whole to generally be more stable and mature but there's no question that they are losing the value proposition big time now. I'm waiting for Zen2 for my next system build. I'm not making the same mistake I did with my 6600k which is 4c/4t and is starting to feel limiting.
 
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12. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 14:50 CJ_Parker
 
Creston wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 14:17:
I think Intel outperforms Ryzen by 5-10% on average in games

Nah, it's quite a bit more than that. Computerbase is a German site but check the graph middle of this page with the performance ratings.

If you mouse over the eight core Ryzen 2700X to make it your 100% reference point then you can see that the six core 8700K is 17% faster on average and the eight core 9900K is 26% faster (the 9900K is soldered like the Ryzens by the way).

Both Intel CPUs are disproportionately more expensive, of course. You are paying way more than 17% or 26% markup but if you want top of the line performance, well, then Intel is still the way to go while Ryzen remains a decent budget option.

Ryzen may also be a good option if you are playing at 4K where you will be GPU bottlenecked most of the time and where the CPU does not matter as much.

However, if you want to push max fps in 1080p or 1440p with a 144Hz or maybe even 165Hz or *gasp* even 240Hz display then Intel would absolutely be the way to go.
 
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11. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 14:17 Creston
 
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 13:29:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 11:36:
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 11:28:
So is it worth upgrading to AMD now? I mean they've always been behind (apart from a short time when Athlon came out) in single threaded performance, and for most games this is what counts. If the answer is yes, what is the best-buy chip-mobo-memory combo right now?

Start here https://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpu_processors/

Thats just a list of articles from the beginning of 2018 up to now. None of them directly compare AMD processors against intel processors. Thanks. I guess. Anyone here with an AMD willing to weigh in? Specifically does AMD make a processor that can rival the i5 9600k at a similar price point?

I think Intel outperforms Ryzen by 5-10% on average in games (a few well-coded multi-threaded ones notwithstanding). However, Ryzen CPUs are cheaper, the mobos are cheaper, the mobos will stick with the current chipset for the foreseeable future so you can easily upgrade in the near future, they run significantly cooler despite having more cores, they don't have birdshit as TIM but instead decided to pay the extra 20 cents per die to make sure the processors don't just die early unlike what fucking Intel did, and finally, you'd be supporting someone OTHER THAN FUCKING INTEL.

But hey, if you need the 165 frames per second rather than the 152 you'd get with Ryzen, I guess you'll need to stick with Intel.
 
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10. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 14:14 Creston
 
Go, Go, Go AMD!

As for Nvidia and their $2500 card... whatever.
 
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9. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 13:55 Pigeon
 
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 13:29:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 11:36:
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 11:28:
So is it worth upgrading to AMD now? I mean they've always been behind (apart from a short time when Athlon came out) in single threaded performance, and for most games this is what counts. If the answer is yes, what is the best-buy chip-mobo-memory combo right now?

Start here https://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpu_processors/

Thats just a list of articles from the beginning of 2018 up to now. None of them directly compare AMD processors against intel processors. Thanks. I guess. Anyone here with an AMD willing to weigh in? Specifically does AMD make a processor that can rival the i5 9600k at a similar price point?

I don't have either, but was looking into upgrading. From what I remember for gaming the 2700x and 9600k perform pretty similarly, with the 9600k usually coming out ahead. Anything multi-threaded and the Ryzen is the clear winner.
 
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8. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 13:52 RedEye9
 
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 13:29:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 11:36:
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 11:28:
So is it worth upgrading to AMD now? I mean they've always been behind (apart from a short time when Athlon came out) in single threaded performance, and for most games this is what counts. If the answer is yes, what is the best-buy chip-mobo-memory combo right now?

Start here https://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpu_processors/

Thats just a list of articles from the beginning of 2018 up to now. None of them directly compare AMD processors against intel processors. Thanks. I guess. Anyone here with an AMD willing to weigh in? Specifically does AMD make a processor that can rival the i5 9600k at a similar price point?
There is a ton of information and comparisons in those reviews.
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/11/29/intel_core_i59600k_processor_overclocking_review/
You may have to study some.
 
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7. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 13:29 VaranDragon
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 11:36:
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 11:28:
So is it worth upgrading to AMD now? I mean they've always been behind (apart from a short time when Athlon came out) in single threaded performance, and for most games this is what counts. If the answer is yes, what is the best-buy chip-mobo-memory combo right now?

Start here https://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpu_processors/

Thats just a list of articles from the beginning of 2018 up to now. None of them directly compare AMD processors against intel processors. Thanks. I guess. Anyone here with an AMD willing to weigh in? Specifically does AMD make a processor that can rival the i5 9600k at a similar price point?
 
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6. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2018, 12:31 Dacote
 
El Pit wrote on Dec 3, 2018, 12:16:
So - could the Titan RTX support raytracing at WQHD at 30 fps? Could it really happen? Find out for just $2,500! Buy two and give one to your friend at Christmas!
Don't give it to your friend before you see if you need two Titans in SLI to achieve that milky smooth console like 30 fps.
but oh the emmurshuns
 
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