jdreyer wrote on Oct 17, 2018, 12:16:

Mordecai Walfish wrote on Oct 17, 2018, 07:59:

jdreyer wrote on Oct 17, 2018, 04:31:
My card is a few generations old at this point. What's the best way to spend $500? AMD? Current gen Nvidia? Last gen Nvidia?

2070 is around that price I believe, but you could find a used 1080ti for around that price, and I would jump on that before the 2070.

I'm also a couple generations back, still rocking the 980ti, but honestly I dont feel any reason to upgrade yet.

RTX is in it's first iteration, expensive as hell, and AMD is not really competing. Not the best time to buy a GPU, unless youre looking for a good last generation nvidia gpu used, which are in abundance because of the new gen cards coming out. With the new cards, you're paying a premium because of the new rtx technology that is of very limited usefulness to gamers for the foreseeable future, and because of this price positioning, even used cards are going for higher than they should.

Not the best time for an upgrade, and I'd say "wait until we see what AMD comes out with next", but that is a total crapshoot also.

I think the best bet is to wait until the next generation rtx cards or even the gen after that, when the premium (hopefully) will not be as high for this new technology, and perhaps even a bit of competition from AMD will be present.

Maybe not 4K, but something to handle a VR set up with smooth framerates.

I've heard much talk of great improvements to VR frametimes specifically with the new RTX cards. That might be something you want to look into if high quality VR gaming is your goal.

Armengar wrote on Oct 17, 2018, 17:24:
these cards are worth more than my 6600k & 960 combined. ill do th same as i always have: keep building budget systems

The entire time I've been PC gaming that's what I did. This last round though I built a system specifically for 4K60 or thereabouts, and let me tell you: 4K60 is ridiculous! Pricey, but worth it.

+ Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor
+ Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler
+ Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
+ Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
+ Samsung - 970 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
+ Western Digital 2 TB Black (7200 SATA 6) - Picked up tonight
+ MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB GAMING X Video Card
+ Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case
+ EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
+ Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit
+ Logictech G106 keyboard
+ Logitech M510 mouse
+ DVD Burner
+ (2) LG 27" 4K UHD IPS screens

these cards are worth more than my 6600k & 960 combined. ill do th same as i always have: keep building budget systems

Mordecai Walfish wrote on Oct 17, 2018, 07:59:

jdreyer wrote on Oct 17, 2018, 04:31:
My card is a few generations old at this point. What's the best way to spend $500? AMD? Current gen Nvidia? Last gen Nvidia?

2070 is around that price I believe, but you could find a used 1080ti for around that price, and I would jump on that before the 2070.

I'm also a couple generations back, still rocking the 980ti, but honestly I dont feel any reason to upgrade yet.

RTX is in it's first iteration, expensive as hell, and AMD is not really competing. Not the best time to buy a GPU, unless youre looking for a good last generation nvidia gpu used, which are in abundance because of the new gen cards coming out. With the new cards, you're paying a premium because of the new rtx technology that is of very limited usefulness to gamers for the foreseeable future, and because of this price positioning, even used cards are going for higher than they should.

Not the best time for an upgrade, and I'd say "wait until we see what AMD comes out with next", but that is a total crapshoot also.

I think the best bet is to wait until the next generation rtx cards or even the gen after that, when the premium (hopefully) will not be as high for this new technology, and perhaps even a bit of competition from AMD will be present.

Maybe not 4K, but something to handle a VR set up with smooth framerates.

CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 16, 2018, 23:39:
The RTX 2070 is only interesting as an upgrade for people who own a card < GTX 1070. For GTX 1080 owners it's a sidegrade. For 1080Ti owners it'd be a retarded downgrade.

There are other reasons, I have a 1070 and would like a 2070, I maintain 4 gaming pc's so the 1070 goes to the 1060, the 1060 to the 760 and the 760 to the 660 and the 660 to a nice home somewhere. I hear they are on sale today... let me go see... Nope still don't see them and it has to be $500 an no more and then maybe.

The point is people have their reasons, you don't have to buy a 2070 and scrap the 1070, the worst case is getting at least a couple hundred back.

Seriously people? None of these cards are as fast as you make them out to be. The 1080ti actually beats out the 2080 in some tests and is less expensive.

Overpriced junk is my opinion. Unless you are big in 4k gaming, a 1080 right now is more than enough GPU. Unless you have a huge monitor you cannot tell the difference in 4k anyways.

As to the 2070, now that is a card with zero marketplace. A 1080 beats it for $200 less cost. To the people in this thread that said they would buy a 1070, here is me skaking my head at you.

jdreyer wrote on Oct 17, 2018, 04:31:
My card is a few generations old at this point. What's the best way to spend $500? AMD? Current gen Nvidia? Last gen Nvidia?

2070 is around that price I believe, but you could find a used 1080ti for around that price, and I would jump on that before the 2070.

I'm also a couple generations back, still rocking the 980ti, but honestly I dont feel any reason to upgrade yet.

RTX is in it's first iteration, expensive as hell, and AMD is not really competing. Not the best time to buy a GPU, unless youre looking for a good last generation nvidia gpu used, which are in abundance because of the new gen cards coming out. With the new cards, you're paying a premium because of the new rtx technology that is of very limited usefulness to gamers for the foreseeable future, and because of this price positioning, even used cards are going for higher than they should.

Not the best time for an upgrade, and I'd say "wait until we see what AMD comes out with next", but that is a total crapshoot also.

I think the best bet is to wait until the next generation rtx cards or even the gen after that, when the premium (hopefully) will not be as high for this new technology, and perhaps even a bit of competition from AMD will be present.

CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 16, 2018, 23:39:
For 1080Ti owners the only real upgrade is the expensive as fuck RTX 2080Ti.

Yup. I'll buy better RAM and CPU. I have a I7-8700. The "K" variant is rank #1 based on user reviews. I may buy another 1080TI if prices drop into the $300-$400 range. A 1080TI SLI had noticeable frame rate improvements.

My card is a few generations old at this point. What's the best way to spend $500? AMD? Current gen Nvidia? Last gen Nvidia?

eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 16, 2018, 21:49:
... and even a 1080 TI is faster than a 2070...

The "even" is rather misplaced there. In regular gaming scenarios (no RT, no DLSS) the 1080Ti should always be faster than the 2070 because the benchmarks of the RTX 2080 a month ago have shown that a GTX 1080Ti and a RTX 2080 basically trade blows.
Sometimes the 1080Ti is a little bit faster and sometimes the RTX 2080.

For 1080Ti owners the only real upgrade is the expensive as fuck RTX 2080Ti.
The only advantage the RTX 2080 has over the 1080Ti is the RT(X) cores obviously and DLSS. On the negative side it has 3GB less VRAM.

Back on the topic of the RTX 2070 and ignoring the price for a moment: The RTX 2070 is only interesting as an upgrade for people who own a card < GTX 1070. For GTX 1080 owners it's a sidegrade. For 1080Ti owners it'd be a retarded downgrade.

Man those Warhammer 2 Benches were depressing as hell.... it seems the 2080 hits the DX11 API overhead problem in all benches there.

The 2080 is so much faster that the 2070 doesn't even have a reason to exist imo. This is nearly a jump in performance of +80% for the 2080 compared to the 2070 and even a 1080 TI is faster than a 2070...

Also can we appreciate where Vega64 sits and what that means for competition? Namely, there isn't any.

Anyhow, enjoying my 4K60 gaming. You should join me.

Luke wrote on Oct 16, 2018, 19:20:
Seeing how people try to justify the purchase of those overpriced cards is just hilarious

All relative and perspective.

Seeing how people try to justify the purchase of those overpriced cards is just hilarious

saluk wrote on Oct 16, 2018, 16:51:
2070, uh... yeah this seems like a joke. I was pretty surprised when they announced it though.

Hey we all have realms in which we play, to say the 2070 is a joke, well it's better than anything AMD has at all. It's not the bestest deal performance wise ever, but at again $500, lots of people could be satisfied. It would allow me to move nicely to 1440P 144hz gaming.

BIGtrouble77 wrote on Oct 16, 2018, 15:53:
1080TI still seems to be the sweet spot at the high end. I got an Evga Black Edition for $600 last month. Until those stocks are completely depleted, I think it's going to be a much better buy than any of the 20XX generation cards.

I think Nvidia is hoping for DLSS to take off among developers since there's a tangible amount of performance and quality uplift to offset the higher cost of these cards. It's certainly more interesting than ray tracing, in my opinion.

2080 ti is the "real" card, as I expected. It's mainly for devs, and the huge price is probably some combination of gouging, making the cards attractive to prosumer in being discount titan, and wrapping in the massive R+D costs for this line (I feel like this has been severely understated).

2080 is enough of a step up from the last gen to justify existing, but not really at that price. I think it may be an attractive upgrade for someone who didn't get on the 10xx line, but it is unreasonable. Conspiracy says they want to keep selling 1080s and 1080tis until the stock is gone. Sounds plausible to me.

2070, uh... yeah this seems like a joke. I was pretty surprised when they announced it though.

I'm buying a 2080ti, because I want to have a great 4k card, I'm still on a 980 so I'm not looking at the medium upgrade from the 1080ti, and I want to experiment with raytracing. (The stuff that is going to release for it, and coding). But I was on the fence about it, and I would never consider the other two options.

HoSpanky wrote on Oct 16, 2018, 16:00:
As much as people are saying these things aren’t a big step up, The 2080TI benches at double the 1080 on almost everything. That’s a huge performance leap. I’m not gonna get one, but it makes me excited about the leap from my 1080 to a 3080ti or whatever they launch in a couple years. By then, maybe raytracing will be in enough games to make it worth the upgrade.

Right, this is still a nice bump, albeit a pricey one. But many skip a a gen or two, things will look nice in time. I also agree with I wouldn't put value in ray-tracing at this point, if it happens with this gen... bonus. Also to those who have borderline VR performance, this could put them over the top. And for lack of competition at the high-end, not fault of theirs... where's the others? Nvidia if nothing else delivers to us performance, would love to see CPU's have jumps like this.

I'm all for the new RT technology in the long-term, but 1st generation should be discounted, if anything, to encourage quick and painless adoption. NVIDIA is doing what they feel will maximize their profit. We'll see if that actually pans out. It's a lack of meaningful competition at the high-end that has really allowed prices to get this out of control.

I find it funny how they're playing a trick on us with the naming conventions, essentially changing the Titan to the 2080 Ti, the 1080 Ti to the 2080 and so on. Then they can try to compare the 2 generations and claim these big performance increases when the ratio between performance/price hasn't increased that much.

Playing a little dirty, but again their investors are more important than their customers.

As much as people are saying these things aren’t a big step up, The 2080TI benches at double the 1080 on almost everything. That’s a huge performance leap. I’m not gonna get one, but it makes me excited about the leap from my 1080 to a 3080ti or whatever they launch in a couple years. By then, maybe raytracing will be in enough games to make it worth the upgrade.