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16. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 11, 2018, 07:32 Beamer
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 22:54:
Beamer wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 21:19:
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 18:53:
Beamer wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 11:05:
Bill Borre wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 10:46:
If the AI was actively selecting against women without its being programmed to do so beforehand perhaps it's indicating a real issue? Strange how politics warps reality.

But it wasn't, is what they're saying. It was failing all around, and this was one of the bigger issues. Invalidating a resume for having the word "women" on it would be a bad thing, no? It wasn't evaluating the resume "on the merits," as people that have no clue about hiring like to use, but immediately putting anything with the word "women" on the bottom, regardless of how qualified the person was otherwise.

I honestly can't think of a single reason why you would write your gender in a job application by the way...

Spoke at a women in marketing conference
President of the women's STEM initiative of Stanford
Elected to 30 Women under 30 by Wired

Now you made me curious, do you think someone picking people for a job cares about things like that? (well the AI here did, and that's bad, but aside that?) Can only really base it on myself but I'd hire you sight unseen and gender unknown if your resumé convinces me on merits alone. I assume big corporations are NOT doing that though.

Yes. Things like being a speaker at a conference or being a 30 Under 30 are prestigious and imply being at the head of your field and being a leader. I don't put my speaking engagements on my resume (I should put them in LinkedIn, though coverage of them gets picked up in the "People You Know In The News" blasts LinkedIn sends out), but if I were to make 40 under 40 I'd absolutely put it somewhere.

The president position most belongs there. If you're a recent grad, those kinds of leadership positions are meaningful. Club leadership stands out, as they're time sucks, they require a lot of wrangling of both peers and alumni/corporate donors, etc.
 
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15. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 22:54 eRe4s3r
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 21:19:
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 18:53:
Beamer wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 11:05:
Bill Borre wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 10:46:
If the AI was actively selecting against women without its being programmed to do so beforehand perhaps it's indicating a real issue? Strange how politics warps reality.

But it wasn't, is what they're saying. It was failing all around, and this was one of the bigger issues. Invalidating a resume for having the word "women" on it would be a bad thing, no? It wasn't evaluating the resume "on the merits," as people that have no clue about hiring like to use, but immediately putting anything with the word "women" on the bottom, regardless of how qualified the person was otherwise.

I honestly can't think of a single reason why you would write your gender in a job application by the way...

Spoke at a women in marketing conference
President of the women's STEM initiative of Stanford
Elected to 30 Women under 30 by Wired

Now you made me curious, do you think someone picking people for a job cares about things like that? (well the AI here did, and that's bad, but aside that?) Can only really base it on myself but I'd hire you sight unseen and gender unknown if your resumé convinces me on merits alone. I assume big corporations are NOT doing that though.
 
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14. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 21:19 Beamer
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 18:53:
Beamer wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 11:05:
Bill Borre wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 10:46:
If the AI was actively selecting against women without its being programmed to do so beforehand perhaps it's indicating a real issue? Strange how politics warps reality.

But it wasn't, is what they're saying. It was failing all around, and this was one of the bigger issues. Invalidating a resume for having the word "women" on it would be a bad thing, no? It wasn't evaluating the resume "on the merits," as people that have no clue about hiring like to use, but immediately putting anything with the word "women" on the bottom, regardless of how qualified the person was otherwise.

I honestly can't think of a single reason why you would write your gender in a job application by the way...

Spoke at a women in marketing conference
President of the women's STEM initiative of Stanford
Elected to 30 Women under 30 by Wired
 
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13. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 20:23 NKD
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 18:06:

How dense are you? The bias was coded in to begin with. The machine does not "think" for itself. That would be magic. Do even grasp the biological concept of how thought even works?

So you're admitting humans are magic?
 
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12. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 18:54 Quboid
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 18:06:
NKD wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 13:27:
Cutter wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 10:55:
AI doesn't exist. If said bias existed it was because of the variables it was programed with and nothing more.

Yes, because it's impossible to have a computer that iterates on its own code according to some set of goals and might come to unanticipated results. Humans are created by GOD and powered by MAGIC that can't be put into a machine!

How dense are you? The bias was coded in to begin with. The machine does not "think" for itself. That would be magic. Do even grasp the biological concept of how thought even works?

What do you think the A in AI means?
 
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11. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 18:53 eRe4s3r
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 11:05:
Bill Borre wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 10:46:
If the AI was actively selecting against women without its being programmed to do so beforehand perhaps it's indicating a real issue? Strange how politics warps reality.

But it wasn't, is what they're saying. It was failing all around, and this was one of the bigger issues. Invalidating a resume for having the word "women" on it would be a bad thing, no? It wasn't evaluating the resume "on the merits," as people that have no clue about hiring like to use, but immediately putting anything with the word "women" on the bottom, regardless of how qualified the person was otherwise.

I honestly can't think of a single reason why you would write your gender in a job application by the way...
 
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10. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 18:06 Cutter
 
NKD wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 13:27:
Cutter wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 10:55:
AI doesn't exist. If said bias existed it was because of the variables it was programed with and nothing more.

Yes, because it's impossible to have a computer that iterates on its own code according to some set of goals and might come to unanticipated results. Humans are created by GOD and powered by MAGIC that can't be put into a machine!

How dense are you? The bias was coded in to begin with. The machine does not "think" for itself. That would be magic. Do even grasp the biological concept of how thought even works?
 
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9. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 16:41 Creston
 
They replaced it with a guy who is biased against women.
 
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8. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 16:26 MoreLuckThanSkill
 
The term AI is way overused, there are obviously no true AIs right now, only Expert Systems and Neural Networks. Not self aware, just complicated decision tree style programs. All that said, this sort of automation is going to be in everything very soon, and of course they are programmed by flawed humans. Good luck.

 
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7. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 14:29 Mr. Tact
 
Gotta agree with Cutter on this one.  
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6. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 14:17 Beamer
 
VaranDragon wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 14:07:
This is the company that values its employees so much it actually has an artificial intelligence recruiting tool, instead of an actual person doing the job.

/slowclap

This was just being tested, not being used. But it does make some sense. For one, virtually every company has some form of resume scanning that automates which resumes get seen. For another, Amazon has over half a million employees. They have something called the "Old Fart" tool on their intranet that shows how many people were hired after you - at the year point you'll have been at the company longer than 50% of your coworkers.

There are currently 7470 open positions in Seattle alone. If each of those positions gets 100 resumes, which is reasonable, that's 747,000 resumes to read. How many people do you need to hire to do that?
 
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5. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 14:07 VaranDragon
 
This is the company that values its employees so much it actually has an artificial intelligence recruiting tool, instead of an actual person doing the job.

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4. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 13:27 NKD
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 10:55:
AI doesn't exist. If said bias existed it was because of the variables it was programed with and nothing more.

Yes, because it's impossible to have a computer that iterates on its own code according to some set of goals and might come to unanticipated results. Humans are created by GOD and powered by MAGIC that can't be put into a machine!
 
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I keep warning you. Doors and corners, kid. That's where they get you. Humans are too fucking stupid to listen.
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3. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 11:05 Beamer
 
Bill Borre wrote on Oct 10, 2018, 10:46:
If the AI was actively selecting against women without its being programmed to do so beforehand perhaps it's indicating a real issue? Strange how politics warps reality.

But it wasn't, is what they're saying. It was failing all around, and this was one of the bigger issues. Invalidating a resume for having the word "women" on it would be a bad thing, no? It wasn't evaluating the resume "on the merits," as people that have no clue about hiring like to use, but immediately putting anything with the word "women" on the bottom, regardless of how qualified the person was otherwise.
 
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2. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 10:55 Cutter
 
AI doesn't exist. If said bias existed it was because of the variables it was programed with and nothing more.
 
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1. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 10:46 Bill Borre
 
If the AI was actively selecting against women without its being programmed to do so beforehand perhaps it's indicating a real issue? Strange how politics warps reality.  
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