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18. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 10, 2018, 09:31 RedEye9
 
HorrorScope wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 19:51:
Beamer wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 14:13:
Were I to build now, I'd be considering AMD as much as Intel. No one has reasonably said that for a gaming PC since 2011. I haven't looked, but I'm guessing they may be the smart choice in the price point I'd be looking. It'd only be my second AMD build - the last was an Athlon back in 2001 or 2002.

Yeah right now I'd go 2700x, waiting for one more round of AMD and will probably update, is been since 2012.
[H]ard|OCP has done some gud reviews of the latest AMD cpu's. https://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpu_processors/

 
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17. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 19:51 HorrorScope
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 14:13:
Were I to build now, I'd be considering AMD as much as Intel. No one has reasonably said that for a gaming PC since 2011. I haven't looked, but I'm guessing they may be the smart choice in the price point I'd be looking. It'd only be my second AMD build - the last was an Athlon back in 2001 or 2002.

Yeah right now I'd go 2700x, waiting for one more round of AMD and will probably update, is been since 2012.
 
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16. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 19:51 RedEye9
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 19:23:
My next system will be an AMD based system after having used Intel for decades. All the games I play could easily be handled by a Ryzen 8C proc while it lounges comfortably. What interests me most is I no longer have to pay out the nose for a stupid "gaming" processor or Xeon just because I want more than 4 cores. I may even look at a Threadripper or Epyc for my multicore needs. Especially since the X399 chipset supports up to 128GB of ECC memory. I would assume the forthcoming chipset based around the 7nm Threadripper will support the same.

I generally tend to buy Asrock boards these days because they've been super stable without all the "gaming" bullshit spooged all over every single high end motherboard. Some have it, some don't. I also like the fact that I can get an Aquantia 10Gbe NIC and 2 Intel 1Gbe NICs on the same motherboard. It's painful moving terabytes of data across a 1Gbe LAN.

Yeah, yeah, I remember the bad old days of Asrock, too, but I have to say that they are very feature dense for their cost and, as I stated previously, the 7 machines I have with Asrock boards have been nothing but stable. Granted, I don't overclock so that's a meaningless measure to me.
I'm happy with my high end asrock from 2012 and have had no issues from multiple mid to low spec customer builds using them.
 
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15. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 19:23 Burrito of Peace
 
My next system will be an AMD based system after having used Intel for decades. All the games I play could easily be handled by a Ryzen 8C proc while it lounges comfortably. What interests me most is I no longer have to pay out the nose for a stupid "gaming" processor or Xeon just because I want more than 4 cores. I may even look at a Threadripper or Epyc for my multicore needs. Especially since the X399 chipset supports up to 128GB of ECC memory. I would assume the forthcoming chipset based around the 7nm Threadripper will support the same.

I generally tend to buy Asrock boards these days because they've been super stable without all the "gaming" bullshit spooged all over every single high end motherboard. Some have it, some don't. I also like the fact that I can get an Aquantia 10Gbe NIC and 2 Intel 1Gbe NICs on the same motherboard. It's painful moving terabytes of data across a 1Gbe LAN.

Yeah, yeah, I remember the bad old days of Asrock, too, but I have to say that they are very feature dense for their cost and, as I stated previously, the 7 machines I have with Asrock boards have been nothing but stable. Granted, I don't overclock so that's a meaningless measure to me.
 
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14. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 18:45 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 14:13:
Ozmodan wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 13:29:
Beamer wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 11:35:
El Pit wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 11:15:
For about 70% more money I expect 70% better performance! As I did with nvidia's RTX, by the way.

Why? There's always diminishing returns at the top. Always. In every single category of every single product.

If you want something bleedingly new and cutting edge, you're paying a premium for it. The performance per dollar is never in favor of the highest end products. Anywhere. Ever.

I feel like people on this site have kind of lost that. Like we used to know it - we used to look at the top end products and think about how cool the performance was but realize it wasn't made for us and it wasn't going to be something we'd buy - instead we'd buy something half the price and 75% the performance. But lately it seems like everyone here is demanding value from the highest tier products. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

Granted,the top end is always pricey and in this case, unless you are running 4k gaming you probably don't need top end in most cases. But in this instance, the lower priced AMD products clearly are very competitive with the Intel's best, hence why even bother spending a lot more money for a few fractions performance increase?

One important note on the new Intel processors, they do not come with a cooler and they are well known to run hot, so you have to add on a decent cooler to the cost while the AMD competition comes with a very good one in the box.

You can use intel current motherboards, but you have to flash the bios, not something I like to do.

All in all a desparate attempt by Intel to stall. Going to get really desparate when AMD releases their 7nm line.

Totally agree that Intel is really hitting a wall here.

Were I to build now, I'd be considering AMD as much as Intel. No one has reasonably said that for a gaming PC since 2011. I haven't looked, but I'm guessing they may be the smart choice in the price point I'd be looking. It'd only be my second AMD build - the last was an Athlon back in 2001 or 2002.

Same here. Had an Athlon in the early aughts, but been all Intel since then. My next build will be "which proc/motherboard combo gives best game perf for $400?"
 
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13. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 17:44 Pigeon
 
Not surprised at all, I honestly can't ever remember seeing benchmark results released by a company and actually believing them. Not saying it's right, just when everyone is terrible it's hard to be shocked when someone is terrible.

Only reason I'm considering Intel for my MB/CPU/RAM refresh this fall is because benchmarks (for 8th gen) seem to indicate better gaming performance. Though it doesn't appear to be a huge difference and price will be a factor.
 
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12. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 16:13 RedEye9
 
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11. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 14:13 RedEye9
 
Ozmodan wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 13:29:
You can use intel current motherboards, but you have to flash the bios, not something I like to do.

Bios flashing has come a long ways since the 90's and booting to floppy disc.
Plus now they are mandatory if you need to stay on top of Security related hardware bugs.


 
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10. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 14:13 Beamer
 
Ozmodan wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 13:29:
Beamer wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 11:35:
El Pit wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 11:15:
For about 70% more money I expect 70% better performance! As I did with nvidia's RTX, by the way.

Why? There's always diminishing returns at the top. Always. In every single category of every single product.

If you want something bleedingly new and cutting edge, you're paying a premium for it. The performance per dollar is never in favor of the highest end products. Anywhere. Ever.

I feel like people on this site have kind of lost that. Like we used to know it - we used to look at the top end products and think about how cool the performance was but realize it wasn't made for us and it wasn't going to be something we'd buy - instead we'd buy something half the price and 75% the performance. But lately it seems like everyone here is demanding value from the highest tier products. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

Granted,the top end is always pricey and in this case, unless you are running 4k gaming you probably don't need top end in most cases. But in this instance, the lower priced AMD products clearly are very competitive with the Intel's best, hence why even bother spending a lot more money for a few fractions performance increase?

One important note on the new Intel processors, they do not come with a cooler and they are well known to run hot, so you have to add on a decent cooler to the cost while the AMD competition comes with a very good one in the box.

You can use intel current motherboards, but you have to flash the bios, not something I like to do.

All in all a desparate attempt by Intel to stall. Going to get really desparate when AMD releases their 7nm line.

Totally agree that Intel is really hitting a wall here.

Were I to build now, I'd be considering AMD as much as Intel. No one has reasonably said that for a gaming PC since 2011. I haven't looked, but I'm guessing they may be the smart choice in the price point I'd be looking. It'd only be my second AMD build - the last was an Athlon back in 2001 or 2002.

 
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9. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 13:52 VaranDragon
 
RedEye9 wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 12:49:
4D-Boxing wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 12:41:
I think people are reacting to the premium for top end going spiraling out of control.
Nah, the top end has always been priced in the stratosphere,
People just like to complain.
https://ark.intel.com/products/52585

Remember when the Titan card came out? It was the first consumer graphics card to hit $1000 if I remember correctly and was about $400 more expensive than anything else on the market at the time.
 
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8. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 13:29 Ozmodan
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 11:35:
El Pit wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 11:15:
For about 70% more money I expect 70% better performance! As I did with nvidia's RTX, by the way.

Why? There's always diminishing returns at the top. Always. In every single category of every single product.

If you want something bleedingly new and cutting edge, you're paying a premium for it. The performance per dollar is never in favor of the highest end products. Anywhere. Ever.

I feel like people on this site have kind of lost that. Like we used to know it - we used to look at the top end products and think about how cool the performance was but realize it wasn't made for us and it wasn't going to be something we'd buy - instead we'd buy something half the price and 75% the performance. But lately it seems like everyone here is demanding value from the highest tier products. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

Granted,the top end is always pricey and in this case, unless you are running 4k gaming you probably don't need top end in most cases. But in this instance, the lower priced AMD products clearly are very competitive with the Intel's best, hence why even bother spending a lot more money for a few fractions performance increase?

One important note on the new Intel processors, they do not come with a cooler and they are well known to run hot, so you have to add on a decent cooler to the cost while the AMD competition comes with a very good one in the box.

You can use intel current motherboards, but you have to flash the bios, not something I like to do.

All in all a desparate attempt by Intel to stall. Going to get really desparate when AMD releases their 7nm line.
 
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7. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 13:29 Porn-O-Matic
 
Intel benchmarks misleading? Big whoop. Talk about first world problems. You watch though, they'll do proper benchmarks later and the Intel will still stomp the piss out of the AMD. They always do.  
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6. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 12:49 RedEye9
 
4D-Boxing wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 12:41:
I think people are reacting to the premium for top end going spiraling out of control.
Nah, the top end has always been priced in the stratosphere,
People just like to complain.
https://ark.intel.com/products/52585
 
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5. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 12:41 4D-Boxing
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 11:35:
El Pit wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 11:15:
For about 70% more money I expect 70% better performance! As I did with nvidia's RTX, by the way.

Why? There's always diminishing returns at the top. Always. In every single category of every single product.

If you want something bleedingly new and cutting edge, you're paying a premium for it. The performance per dollar is never in favor of the highest end products. Anywhere. Ever.

I feel like people on this site have kind of lost that. Like we used to know it - we used to look at the top end products and think about how cool the performance was but realize it wasn't made for us and it wasn't going to be something we'd buy - instead we'd buy something half the price and 75% the performance. But lately it seems like everyone here is demanding value from the highest tier products. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

You're correct! That being said, I think people are reacting to the premium for top end going spiraling out of control. 700, 800 even 900 i can accept without complaining to much, but 1200 usd some serious coin.

Been buying top end or close since 2006, butI also hold on to the gear for many years (3770k about to be replaced). Will get the 2080ti, but doubt i'll get and one down the road like i've done for over a decade.

P.S. top end is an interesting concept whenwe know company x is holding something back cause company Z hasn't released anything for a while.
 
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4. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 11:35 Beamer
 
El Pit wrote on Oct 9, 2018, 11:15:
For about 70% more money I expect 70% better performance! As I did with nvidia's RTX, by the way.

Why? There's always diminishing returns at the top. Always. In every single category of every single product.

If you want something bleedingly new and cutting edge, you're paying a premium for it. The performance per dollar is never in favor of the highest end products. Anywhere. Ever.

I feel like people on this site have kind of lost that. Like we used to know it - we used to look at the top end products and think about how cool the performance was but realize it wasn't made for us and it wasn't going to be something we'd buy - instead we'd buy something half the price and 75% the performance. But lately it seems like everyone here is demanding value from the highest tier products. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
 
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3. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 11:15 El Pit
 
For about 70% more money I expect 70% better performance! As I did with nvidia's RTX, by the way.  
They're waiting for you, Gabe, in the test chamber!
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2. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 11:10 RedEye9
 

An "Intel commissioned" benchmarks shows their chips outperforming AMD's. I'm SHOCKED.


Hint: They gimped memory bandwidth on the AMD systems
 
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1. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 9, 2018, 10:52 Creston
 
Fuck you, Intel.
 
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