Star Citizen Scraps CitizenCon Keynote Stream Fee

Star Citizen backers are generally pretty understanding about Cloud Imperium Gaming's ongoing crowdfunding efforts, and many of them own hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of virtual ships for CIG's upcoming space game(s). An effort to raise more funds for CitizenCon has met with outrage, however, as fans balked at an effort to charge to watch a livestream of the keynote for the convention. After considerable backlash on Reddit, the developer has relented and made the stream free once again (thanks theyarecomingforyou). Chris Roberts' post about all this outlines initial reasoning that sounds similar to what's happened with development of the game itself, saying more money was sought because the scope of the convention has expanded beyond their initial plans:
This year's CitizenCon is much bigger than last years, with two separate stages and tracks. We did this because we felt the format we tested last year was a success and because of this we wanted to expand it to allow more people to attend and provide more opportunities to hear from and interact with the devs.

With a venue and planned attendance three times the CitizenCon in Frankfurt, with more panels (so more devs needing to travel) , more food and drink options for everyone the proposed budget for this year's CitizenCon was almost double last years. And this was without any video coverage, let alone streaming of the second stage, and a plan to just stream the opening keynote from the main stage.

Yes, you read that right, the original plan didn't have any plan for streaming anything beyond the opening keynote. There was not even video archiving of the second stage due the additional costs of getting a second video crew for that stage. Even then there was some debate as to whether it was truly worth it to spend a chunk of change to stream the opening keynote for 90 minutes when we're always in a foot race to compress it as a high-quality video and post to YouTube as quickly as possible after the demo so people can enjoy a HD Video as opposed to a crappy re-post of a Twitch Stream.
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Aug 31, 2018, 19:33
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Re: Star Citizen Scraps CitizenCon Keynote Steam Fee Aug 31, 2018, 19:33
Aug 31, 2018, 19:33
 

They already proved they were suckers, what's a little extra dough to watch a stream?

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Aug 31, 2018, 19:35
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Aug 31, 2018, 19:35
 
CIG thought they could extract more money from the whales and they would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky redditers.
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Aug 31, 2018, 20:00
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Aug 31, 2018, 20:00
 
Throw in a ingame pet and they will come to ye aid
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Aug 31, 2018, 20:32
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Aug 31, 2018, 20:32
 
Customized space towel and towel rack in your space hangar, free with stream purchase.

This clown show known as Star Citizen is truly the gift that keeps on giving.
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Aug 31, 2018, 20:41
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Re: Star Citizen Scraps CitizenCon Keynote Steam Fee Aug 31, 2018, 20:41
Aug 31, 2018, 20:41
 

You can still throw $10 at them for the Digital Goodies Pack:
Citizencon 2948
This includes exclusive digital items given away at CitizenCon, including an in-game wearable duster jacket, CitizenCon 2948 trophy, CitizenCon 2948 Weapon, and access to purchase exclusive CitizenCon merchandise.
The Digital Goodie Pack CANNOT be purchased with store credit. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizencon/tickets

It was such a bargain I bought ten.

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Aug 31, 2018, 20:57
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Re: Star Citizen Scraps CitizenCon Keynote Stream Fee Aug 31, 2018, 20:57
Aug 31, 2018, 20:57
 
Good grief--instead focusing on crap like this--how about getting a playable/salable game out--like, yesterday?
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Aug 31, 2018, 21:09
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Aug 31, 2018, 21:09
 
The saddest part of their lame-ass attempt to extort money from fucktards is the fantards who defended this like "but... but... but... Blizztard is doing it, too!!!!".

Look, I'm no fan of Blizztard at all and I'd never in my whole life pay money for a fucking stream of a marketing event so they can shower me with advertising on their upcoming games (meaning they should pay ME for watching and not the other way around) BUT Blizztard has over two decades of AAA development under their belt.

They have released dozens (including expansions) of commercially successful AAA products.
Blizzcon is usually about several games, several franchises, they bring on "celebrities" and it's a pretty huge frickin' event.

CIG trying to charge for a stream covering their piss-poor, buggy, crowdfunded early access alpha SHITSHOW is incredibly bold. Who the FUCK do they think they are???

Their track record is as shitty as it gets with six years of development and FUCK ALL to show for it.
Their releases track record is a flatline. Zero. They have no upcoming games/franchises other than SC. They are as insignificant as a fart of a fly in a hurricane.

And to top it all off, everyone who has ever watched one of their streams... HOLY SHIT... how dare they even think about charging for watching these MORONS scrambling around the stage, fucking up every demo and acting like a bunch of chicken with their dumbass heads chopped off?!?!?

Un-fucking-believable... their shows have always been so amateurish and embarrassing that it was physically painful to watch these fuckclowns making complete fools of themselves.

Finally, this was another big FUCK YOU they sent out to their original backers. We were promised a different approach than the big publishers. We were promised transparency, no greed, fair treatment, blahbluhblehblah... and then they try to pull off shit like this.
Another one in a series of hundreds of broken promises.

And no one asked for Citizencon to be turned into a full retard show. Chris likes to hide behind that excuse for the full retard feature creep of the game (like "not my fault, the fans forced me to cuz of the fideliteh and immershun!") but that shit does not fly for the fucking annual marketing event. What a bunch of assholes...
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Aug 31, 2018, 21:46
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CJ_Parker wrote on Aug 31, 2018, 21:09:
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9 F bombs, 7 Tards and 5 shits.
that's edge lord impressive
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Aug 31, 2018, 21:50
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Aug 31, 2018, 21:50
 
many of them own hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of pictures of virtual ships for CIG's upcoming space game(s)

FTFY.
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Aug 31, 2018, 21:56
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RedEye9 wrote on Aug 31, 2018, 21:46:
CJ_Parker wrote on Aug 31, 2018, 21:09:
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9 F bombs, 7 Tards and 5 shits.
that's edge lord impressive

Exactly how fucking bored out of your retarded skull are you to count that shit bruuuh?!?
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Sep 1, 2018, 00:31
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CJ_Parker wrote on Aug 31, 2018, 21:09:
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I'm not really a fan of the plan they proposed, and I'm glad they've changed it. That said, if you read the other posts, you'd see that the screw ups and streaming errors were some of the things they were trying to correct with that money (right or wrong) by getting a professional film and streaming crew rather than doing it in house.

It's not a great excuse, but it's something. As for the rest... eh, I feel like you're just fired up about something. There's a lot of "how dare they" and "who do they think they are" in there, which makes it sound like they were killing your dog. I mean... they were going to put the streams up for free as high def youtube videos afterwards anyway. This was just for the livestreaming itself, so it's not like anyone was going to miss out. The youtube numbers dwarf the livestream numbers by a massive amount. So not paying, you would have missed out on literally nothing but whatever rewards they were offering.

In short, grab a nap or something, grumpasaurus.
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Choobeastia wrote on Sep 1, 2018, 00:31:
CJ_Parker wrote on Aug 31, 2018, 21:09:
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I'm not really a fan of the plan they proposed, and I'm glad they've changed it. That said, if you read the other posts, you'd see that the screw ups and streaming errors were some of the things they were trying to correct with that money (right or wrong) by getting a professional film and streaming crew rather than doing it in house.

It's not a great excuse, but it's something. As for the rest... eh, I feel like you're just fired up about something. There's a lot of "how dare they" and "who do they think they are" in there, which makes it sound like they were killing your dog. I mean... they were going to put the streams up for free as high def youtube videos afterwards anyway. This was just for the livestreaming itself, so it's not like anyone was going to miss out. The youtube numbers dwarf the livestream numbers by a massive amount. So not paying, you would have missed out on literally nothing but whatever rewards they were offering.

In short, grab a nap or something, grumpasaurus.

I stopped watching most SC content around 2015 when the amount of lies became unbearable and when it became clear as day that pledge money was wasted for the sole purpose of creating fancy trailers and demos to extort more monies from the tards instead of developing the actual game.

The face of the cult leader on screen makes me want to vomit. When he opens his lying tard mouth I wanna puke like Monty Python's Mr. Creosote.

I never had any intention to watch their shitshow of MOAR LIES anyway. My issue with the monetization of the stream is not personal but principle-based. The principle is fucking retarded. Why pay money for watching a marketing event? Why pay money to be showered with advertising?

It doesn't get much dumber than that... except when you get showered with PAID advertising for a game that ain't even anywhere close to finished yet but has raised nearly $200 million in crowdfunding money. It's a pure money grab by greedy assholes. There is nothing to justify that crap. It is plain fucking robbery.
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Overon wrote on Aug 31, 2018, 19:35:
CIG thought they could extract more money from the whales and they would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky redditers.

Whales and subscribers were free to watch it... They just wanted more subs...

Without a warning this backfired hard on them lol
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WaltC wrote on Aug 31, 2018, 20:57:
Good grief--instead focusing on crap like this--how about getting a playable/salable game out--like, yesterday?

If they release the game, how can they continue to ask for money to develop the game?
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CJ_Parker wrote on Sep 1, 2018, 01:08:
It doesn't get much dumber than that... except when you get showered with PAID advertising for a game that ain't even anywhere close to finished yet but has raised nearly $200 million in crowdfunding money. It's a pure money grab by greedy assholes. There is nothing to justify that crap. It is plain fucking robbery.

It's not robbery if people give their money willingly. Rather, it's some high-level high-tech cult-of-personality shit.
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jdreyer wrote on Sep 1, 2018, 03:56:
WaltC wrote on Aug 31, 2018, 20:57:
Good grief--instead focusing on crap like this--how about getting a playable/salable game out--like, yesterday?

If they release the game, how can they continue to ask for money to develop the game?

Exactly. How dare these pesky nerdy upstarts demand an actual game, that you can buy and play??!!
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The whales showed some reaction for the first time?! The time of doom is near! Captain Ahab (aka Chris Roberts) is in deep trouble - they don't embrace the harpoon anymore when he shoots it at the whales! What is going on? The Church of Star Citizen is in danger? Could it really be happening now?
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I'm really astonished at the lack of thought that went into this idea. CitizenCon has always been about showing off the game to backers and the general public, of celebrating together. Hiring a professional video crew charging over $100,000 and then forcing those most loyal to the game to pay for it is completely out of touch, even if it was going to be uploaded later to YouTube for free.

The issue for me wasn't what it would cost for me personally, as I'm already a subscriber and am a concierge level backer (those backing over $1,000) so wouldn't have had to pay. What I resent is that those who can't afford the digital streaming pass or those who choose not to buy it were being treated like second-class citizens. Chris Roberts even talked about how he doesn't like paywalls in games yet that apparently doesn't extend to community events that have historically been free.

The backlash was immense and justified but I still have a lot of friends who have defended the original decision to charge for a pass and even hoped it would continue going forward. They saw the fuss as backers being entitled and demanding things for free.

CIG may have backed down on this one but it's still damaged the reputation of the game at a time when content was starting to take priority and they're pushing out regular quarterly releases, with a public roadmap of future updates. It was a poorly thought through cash grab to compete with Blizzard, a publisher that has put out countless games and actively supports them beyond release. And now CIG has an excuse as if there are any streaming issues they'll just blame them on the cutbacks.
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El Pit wrote on Sep 1, 2018, 05:35:
The whales showed some reaction for the first time?! The time of doom is near! Captain Ahab (aka Chris Roberts) is in deep trouble - they don't embrace the harpoon anymore when he shoots it at the whales! What is going on? The Church of Star Citizen is in danger? Could it really be happening now?
Not quite. Concierge backers ($1,000+) would have been able to watch the livestream for free, as would subscribers. This was a backlash from the general community objected to CIG trying to split the community into haves and havenots, protesting a community celebration being put behind a paywall for the first time.

That said there were a lot of concierge backers, like myself, who strongly and publicly denounced this decision by CIG. But many of the larger backers didn't understand the fuss and defended CIG charging what it wants because we live in a capitalist society. Needless to say as a socialist I reject that mentality.
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It's all about money.

Once again, he planned something that he blew the budget on. Then he tried to get backers to pay for the excess. That's all there is to it.

Had he not reversed, it would have tainted the event from this point, and right on to Oct 10th. He had to make a choice - and it had nothing to do with "listening" to backers.

I like how he managed to throw a sale pitch right in there too.

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