Too bad I'm too old now to be competitive... I used to love dominating Q3A and UT using brains and lightning quick reflexes. Map control,
sound awareness, item spawn awareness, baiting with controlled items/map sections, optimizing roaming patterns etc.

Unless they got some bots fun going in the retail build, I think I'll pass. But HAVE FUN KIDS! This is a great game for 35s and younger.

Eh. I'd rather stick with original Quake games. I still need to unlock the original CD game I got for 99 cents from a local estate sale.

I don't like this F2P setup. It sucks. Why don't they do like all the other good F2P models? Also, just add bots. Why is this whole project so half assed? At least Andrew Hulshult's music is good.

There's been bots in the game for a couple of months now at least. Sure it was only training mode stuff at first but now they fill out multiplayer matches and you can join players vs. bot matches in a playlist, along with making a custom match with as many bots as you want and open it up to others.

ItBurn wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 01:59:
I don't like this F2P setup. It sucks. Why don't they do like all the other good F2P models? Also, just add bots. Why is this whole project so half assed? At least Andrew Hulshult's music is good.

What is so wrong with this F2P model?

I haven't played all that much of it, but the beta (or whatever has been going on) seemed like pretty standard F2P to me.

Finally...

I recently spent a bit of time with the game, wanting to get my shooter reflexes back in order. 12 hours later, I came out of the game quite agitated with it, because it's still very buggy.

About 1 in 4 games disconnected me to the lobby without warning, mid-game. Maybe 1 in 5 games, everyone would jitter/stutter/teleport randomly (for a good portion of the game), which can absolutely ruin a fight. I had at least a few instances where the game crashed simply loading into a match, or the "Play" button didn't do anything and I had to restart.

I also play on a PCIE SSD and the game's loading screens/wait times actually got really frustrating too. Queue up -> select map -> map load screen -> play match -> another loading screen (several seconds) to see stats -> forced to wait up to 15 seconds before it auto-queues you up again! (AND you can't even back out of the auto-queue in this time! if you have to get up for a few minutes, you have to close the game basically!)

It is fun, but damn if those issues didn't ruin the game for me. I'm sure it could be fixed, but I'm surprised it's still got these issues.

I'm pretty sure they have a play vs bots mode now, and it's not just for training.

Kind of ballsy to go with unlockable heroes.

It's almost painful watching them maneuver this unfortunate pile of manure. They failed, instead of focusing on making the game another competitive mechanics game I think it would have been better to create a multiplayer experience more influenced by Quake 1 & 2 than 3.

Yeah, but kids love overwatch and MOBAs now, so they tried to be cool. I'm sad that arena shooters are a dying breed, but they need to listen to more community feedback. Clan arena, matchmaking modes with no abilities/normalized health, oldschool maps, etc.

heroin wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 08:53:
It's almost painful watching them maneuver this unfortunate pile of manure. They failed, instead of focusing on making the game another competitive mechanics game I think it would have been better to create a multiplayer experience more influenced by Quake 1 & 2 than 3.

Well said! Got it last year even paid cause i wanted to support the effort. Let's just say i got a full refund. With regards to the multiplayer experience, CS GO has a server browser and it's still one of the major players on the competitive e-sport scene.

..."if you build it, they will come.." Well they're waiting for someone else to build it make $ so they can scramble and copy something they pioneered lol.

MattyC wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 05:09:

ItBurn wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 01:59:
I don't like this F2P setup. It sucks. Why don't they do like all the other good F2P models? Also, just add bots. Why is this whole project so half assed? At least Andrew Hulshult's music is good.

What is so wrong with this F2P model?

I haven't played all that much of it, but the beta (or whatever has been going on) seemed like pretty standard F2P to me.

Basic gameplay-affecting features are locked away (heroes). I don't think you can unlock them permanently if you don't pay. Look at the Path Of Exile model for good no BS F2P. You get everything. You can pay for cosmetics or for more stash tabs, which you already have more than enough of.

fawker wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 08:15:
I'm pretty sure they have a play vs bots mode now, and it's not just for training.

I don't know man, why wouldn't they make an announcement out of it? A month or more ago they said they were starting work on bots, but we never got a confirmation that it was done. Also they said that on first release, bots wouldn't be able to use abilities. Can they now or are they still incomplete?

ItBurn wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 11:15:

MattyC wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 05:09:

ItBurn wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 01:59:
I don't like this F2P setup. It sucks. Why don't they do like all the other good F2P models? Also, just add bots. Why is this whole project so half assed? At least Andrew Hulshult's music is good.

What is so wrong with this F2P model?

I haven't played all that much of it, but the beta (or whatever has been going on) seemed like pretty standard F2P to me.

Basic gameplay-affecting features are locked away (heroes). I don't think you can unlock them permanently if you don't pay. Look at the Path Of Exile model for good no BS F2P. You get everything. You can pay for cosmetics or for more stash tabs, which you already have more than enough of.

Ah, I had noticed that, but I thought it was more like Heroes of the Storm where you can unlock all the heroes for free after a bit of just playing the game plus a free play rotation.

Like I said, I hadn't played very much of it.

Simon Says wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 00:52:
Too bad I'm too old now to be competitive... I used to love dominating Q3A and UT using brains and lightning quick reflexes. Map control,
sound awareness, item spawn awareness, baiting with controlled items/map sections, optimizing roaming patterns etc.

Unless they got some bots fun going in the retail build, I think I'll pass. But HAVE FUN KIDS! This is a great game for 35s and younger.

I hope you mean too old as in not enough time.
Or are you like 70?
Should be no problem getting back into it and start owning again. Just need some training, as in playing 6h+ a day.

Rhett wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 07:29:
Finally...

I recently spent a bit of time with the game, wanting to get my shooter reflexes back in order. 12 hours later, I came out of the game quite agitated with it, because it's still very buggy.

About 1 in 4 games disconnected me to the lobby without warning, mid-game. Maybe 1 in 5 games, everyone would jitter/stutter/teleport randomly (for a good portion of the game), which can absolutely ruin a fight. I had at least a few instances where the game crashed simply loading into a match, or the "Play" button didn't do anything and I had to restart.

I also play on a PCIE SSD and the game's loading screens/wait times actually got really frustrating too. Queue up -> select map -> map load screen -> play match -> another loading screen (several seconds) to see stats -> forced to wait up to 15 seconds before it auto-queues you up again! (AND you can't even back out of the auto-queue in this time! if you have to get up for a few minutes, you have to close the game basically!)

It is fun, but damn if those issues didn't ruin the game for me. I'm sure it could be fixed, but I'm surprised it's still got these issues.

I played in the beta and never had those issues. So they actually made the game worse? Why am I not surprised...

Muscular Beaver wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:02:

Simon Says wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 00:52:
Too bad I'm too old now to be competitive... I used to love dominating Q3A and UT using brains and lightning quick reflexes. Map control,
sound awareness, item spawn awareness, baiting with controlled items/map sections, optimizing roaming patterns etc.

Unless they got some bots fun going in the retail build, I think I'll pass. But HAVE FUN KIDS! This is a great game for 35s and younger.

I hope you mean too old as in not enough time.
Or are you like 70?
Should be no problem getting back into it and start owning again. Just need some training, as in playing 6h+ a day.

Poes Law right?
I don't think any amount of training can return the quick twitch (non carpal tunnel damaged) nerves and skills that we had in our 20's.

Because there is not one person in this photo of a recent tournament who is a day over 27.

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:10:

Muscular Beaver wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:02:

Simon Says wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 00:52:
Too bad I'm too old now to be competitive... I used to love dominating Q3A and UT using brains and lightning quick reflexes. Map control,
sound awareness, item spawn awareness, baiting with controlled items/map sections, optimizing roaming patterns etc.

Unless they got some bots fun going in the retail build, I think I'll pass. But HAVE FUN KIDS! This is a great game for 35s and younger.

I hope you mean too old as in not enough time.
Or are you like 70?
Should be no problem getting back into it and start owning again. Just need some training, as in playing 6h+ a day.

Poes Law right?
I don't think any amount of training can return the quick twitch (non carpal tunnel damaged) nerves and skills that we had in our 20's.

Because there is not one person in this photo of a recent tournament who is a day over 27.

Yeah right.
I am 41 myself and I can own 20 year olds, if I commit to it like a 20 year old who has a lot of time.
I tested it last year with CSGO for a few months. It all came back to me. The problem is most old people simply dont have enough time. They have a full time job, family and other responsibilities, or even hobbies.
I never believed this "youre to old for this and that", because most of the time its simply not true. If you believe it, its true, because you make yourself fail with a pessimistic view like that.

Muscular Beaver wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:19:

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:10:

Muscular Beaver wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:02:

Simon Says wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 00:52:
Too bad I'm too old now to be competitive... I used to love dominating Q3A and UT using brains and lightning quick reflexes. Map control,
sound awareness, item spawn awareness, baiting with controlled items/map sections, optimizing roaming patterns etc.

Unless they got some bots fun going in the retail build, I think I'll pass. But HAVE FUN KIDS! This is a great game for 35s and younger.

I hope you mean too old as in not enough time.
Or are you like 70?
Should be no problem getting back into it and start owning again. Just need some training, as in playing 6h+ a day.

Poes Law right?
I don't think any amount of training can return the quick twitch (non carpal tunnel damaged) nerves and skills that we had in our 20's.

Because there is not one person in this photo of a recent tournament who is a day over 27.

Yeah right.
I am 41 myself and I can own 20 year olds, if I commit to it like a 20 year old who has a lot of time.
I tested it last year with CSGO for a few months. It all came back to me. The problem is most old people simply dont have enough time. They have a full time job, family and other responsibilities, or even hobbies.
I never believed this "youre to old for this and that", because most of the time its simply not true. If you believe it, its true, because you make yourself fail with a pessimistic view like that.

There's big money in competitive e-sports, that's why tournaments are packed with 75 yo's trying to supplement their social security. /sarc

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:28:

Muscular Beaver wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:19:

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:10:

Muscular Beaver wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 13:02:

Simon Says wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 00:52:
Too bad I'm too old now to be competitive... I used to love dominating Q3A and UT using brains and lightning quick reflexes. Map control,
sound awareness, item spawn awareness, baiting with controlled items/map sections, optimizing roaming patterns etc.

Unless they got some bots fun going in the retail build, I think I'll pass. But HAVE FUN KIDS! This is a great game for 35s and younger.

I hope you mean too old as in not enough time.
Or are you like 70?
Should be no problem getting back into it and start owning again. Just need some training, as in playing 6h+ a day.

Poes Law right?
I don't think any amount of training can return the quick twitch (non carpal tunnel damaged) nerves and skills that we had in our 20's.

Because there is not one person in this photo of a recent tournament who is a day over 27.

Yeah right.
I am 41 myself and I can own 20 year olds, if I commit to it like a 20 year old who has a lot of time.
I tested it last year with CSGO for a few months. It all came back to me. The problem is most old people simply dont have enough time. They have a full time job, family and other responsibilities, or even hobbies.
I never believed this "youre to old for this and that", because most of the time its simply not true. If you believe it, its true, because you make yourself fail with a pessimistic view like that.

There's big money in competitive e-sports, that's why tournaments are packed with 75 yo's trying to supplement their social security. /sarc

Most 75 year olds look at you funny for even mentioning computer games.