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41. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 16:13 RedEye9
 

It only gets better https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/07/mailchimp-bans-alex-jones-for-hateful-conduct/

 
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40. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 15:42 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 15:14:
Beamer wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 13:54:
jdreyer wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 13:43:
New Sony TV's Have Netflix Calibrated Mode.

What's the point when the quality of the data stream is so low.

What device are you streaming on? Seems pretty solid to me. Far, far better than a live TV feed.

Actually, we had to stop watching Game of Thrones live, as the HBO feed was pitch black darkness. Watching the HBOGo feed was bright and clear. Netflix seems on par with HBOGo.
I was thinking compared to a Blu Ray disc. Streams are always compressed, so there's always lower color depth.

True, but the usage of streams vs Blu Ray has to be 100:1, no? If not even higher than that? Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make Netflix look as good as possible just because there are better options out there for picture quality (that are costlier and less convenient.)
 
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39. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 15:14 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 13:54:
jdreyer wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 13:43:
New Sony TV's Have Netflix Calibrated Mode.

What's the point when the quality of the data stream is so low.

What device are you streaming on? Seems pretty solid to me. Far, far better than a live TV feed.

Actually, we had to stop watching Game of Thrones live, as the HBO feed was pitch black darkness. Watching the HBOGo feed was bright and clear. Netflix seems on par with HBOGo.
I was thinking compared to a Blu Ray disc. Streams are always compressed, so there's always lower color depth.
 
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38. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 13:54 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 13:43:
New Sony TV's Have Netflix Calibrated Mode.

What's the point when the quality of the data stream is so low.

What device are you streaming on? Seems pretty solid to me. Far, far better than a live TV feed.

Actually, we had to stop watching Game of Thrones live, as the HBO feed was pitch black darkness. Watching the HBOGo feed was bright and clear. Netflix seems on par with HBOGo.
 
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37. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 13:43 jdreyer
 
New Sony TV's Have Netflix Calibrated Mode.

What's the point when the quality of the data stream is so low.
 
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36. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 09:31 Beamer
 
Blue "censors" people here all the time. He doesn't restrict our freedom of speech. He sadly has to police us, and makes this place better for it. That he has to is on us.  
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35. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 07:34 Quboid
 
Kxmode wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 22:56:
Quboid wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 20:51:
Kxmode wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 20:39:
Freedom of speech is binary. It either exists, or it doesn't. The choice to post comments or say things others find offensive is why the liberty lives in the first place. It is NOT our place to police or censure individuals. Nor does this right belong to the private sector or big government. Anyone who wants to travel down that road is engaging in restrictive freedom, and it is wrong. Worse, where does this action end? If it happens to one aspect of freedom, it will be easy to restrict another.

So you have no boundaries at all? Is viewing or distributing child pornography OK with you? What about shouting "fire" in a crowded cinema? What about shouting racist abuse? How about someone tweeting their anger at white people on their personal Twitter account, should that be a firing offense?

In response to your asinine comment, here's a list of all the fallacies your five questions contain. That's a pretty epic failure on your part. Achievement unlocked, to be sure.

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None of that applies.

Ad hominems: I did not attack you personally or insult you - or even call your comment asinine. Irrelevant.

Straw man: No, if it's binary, it's all or nothing. You picked "all", these are the questions you have to deal with.

Slippery slope: If it's binary, there's no possible slippery slope. It either exists, or it doesn't.

False Dilemma/False Dichotomy: This is a doozy. You described it as binary. You literally posited an either-or statement. How is pointing out the problems with your "either-or" comment my logical fallacy?

Hasty generalisations, red herring: Irrelevant to my comment, very relevant to yours. Again, do you have no boundaries at all?

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34. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 01:44 Kxmode
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 23:42:
Kxmode was way more entertaining when he was just a firm believer in Star Citizen.

I was never a firm believer in Star Citizen despite the money spent. That was disposable income buying pretty JPGs.
 
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33. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 01:42 Kxmode
 
Sepharo wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 23:46:
"You may see that as nontrivial, but the European Convention on Human Rights found it to be a deplorable and hostile act against a minority religious group."

I think you meant "trivial". But I also don't see him treating it that way in his response.

Whoops. Yes, "trivial." Thanks.

Point taken. Thanks for sharing.

edit: yup. I'm tired.

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32. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 01:40 NicklePop
 
As long as I don't have to hear something I disagree with, I support it.

 
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31. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 23:46 Sepharo
 
"You may see that as nontrivial, but the European Convention on Human Rights found it to be a deplorable and hostile act against a minority religious group."

I think you meant "trivial". But I also don't see him treating it that way in his response.
 
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30. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 23:42 MoreLuckThanSkill
 
Kxmode was way more entertaining when he was just a firm believer in Star Citizen.
 
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29. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 23:32 Kxmode
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 22:44:
1. We're not Russia. The vast majority of Americans support the Constitution and the rule of law. Attempts to even mildly subvert it are met with massive protest, regardless of who is in the White House.

2. We are still an overwhelmingly Christian nation, and tolerate all kinds of wild variations on that religion,from Quakers to Mormons to Baptists to Evangelicals and beyond. The Witnesses little to worry about beyond getting bitten by a dog when the prosthelytize.

3. We can't even rein in the deadly second amendment. There is no way we are even looking at modifying the first amendment in our grandchildren's lifetimes.

4. Look, there absolutely is Religious persecution in the world, and it's bad. I get that. But you really don't need to be worried about it here, barring some major catastrophe like a meteor strike. And at that point, you'd probably have bigger things to worry about.

5. Whatever you're smoking, can you send me some?

You're right. The United States isn't Russia, but neither was Russia until after it banned the Witnesses last year. You may see that as nontrivial trivial (thanks, Sepharo), but the European Convention on Human Rights found it to be a deplorable and hostile act against a minority religious group. Russia today has become like the Soviet Union with a dictator who denies his people chartered freedoms.

For the rest of your points, they are sound and entirely in keeping with what the United States is today between the constitution and the Bill of Rights. However, the United States isn't more powerful than God's will.

The Bible states that Jehovah God is going to put into the thinking and motivation of government leaders, by means of the United Nations, the desire to turn on and destroy the most significant segments of religion. The combined action will be a worldwide campaign to eradicate ALL religions from the face of the planet.

The following clarifying parenthesis comes from my deep study of the Bible.

(Revelation 17:16,17) And the ten horns ("the governments of the world") that you saw and the wild beast ("the United Nations"), these will hate the prostitute ("the global empire of false religion") and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire ("zero recovery"). For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought ("the inception"), yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished ("retribution for thousands of years of bloodshed against God's people and the world in general").

Did you see the point? "For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought." If you ever saw the movie Inception, you know once an idea gets planted, no one will be able to protest or object to the wholesale slaughter of religious elements in the United States and elsewhere. We can conclude from verses 16 and 17 that the worldly governments will destroy the Vatican, Mosques, mega-churches, and other religious institutions within their countries. Eventually, they will turn on the Witnesses as a smaller minority religion, but the outcome will be uniquely different.

I quote the above to show you this is what the Bible states about the future as pertains to governments and religion, but fundamentally about the freedom of Religion in the United States.

You may think this is far-fetched or that it could never happen here. However, recorded history has shown that great governments of the world fell to God's will. (See Egypt and Moses, see Babylon and Medo-Persia, see Greece and Alexander the Great to name a few).

Edit: Supplemental correction in thought. Not my best night to be sure.

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28. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 23:08 Beamer
 
Wonder if he worries as hard about religions actually persecuted here, as opposed to ones the government just set up a task force to defend.  
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27. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 23:05 Kxmode
 
RedEye9 wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 21:06:
I am really tired of all the claims of "free speech" being squashed when a tech company or publication refuses to broadcast or publish material that is clearly fraudulent, or meant to stoke hate or violence. Though there is a constitutional right to express yourself, and the government cannot limit that speech without good cause, there is no guarantee that any internet or media outlet has to spread hate. Mr. Jones is entitled to his faulty and dangerous opinions. He is certainly free to stand on a shoebox on a crowded city intersection of his choice and shout them to the crowds. But he is not entitled to having others spread his lies for him.

Free speech is a concept that applies to agencies of government. Private sector entities like Facebook are free to ban any speech they prefer not to have on their platform. They all have Terms of Service every user must agree to in order to use the platform. Any user who finds those terms too restrictive is free to use some other platform instead. What a user is NOT free to do is what Jones and his ilk have done - agree to the platform's Terms of Service, violate them repeatedly, then complain that they are victims when they are denied access to the platform.


Great points. Thanks for sharing them.

You'll note in my original comment that I used a paragraph to separate the private sector from the public sector. While I was not implying direct causation between these two agencies, I am saying society will eventually reach a point where it likely becomes accustomed to denied freedoms, and the denial of religious liberty will probably not be met with much opposition by the masses, notwithstanding their hatred of religion.
 
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26. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 22:56 Kxmode
 
Quboid wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 20:51:
Kxmode wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 20:39:
Freedom of speech is binary. It either exists, or it doesn't. The choice to post comments or say things others find offensive is why the liberty lives in the first place. It is NOT our place to police or censure individuals. Nor does this right belong to the private sector or big government. Anyone who wants to travel down that road is engaging in restrictive freedom, and it is wrong. Worse, where does this action end? If it happens to one aspect of freedom, it will be easy to restrict another.

So you have no boundaries at all? Is viewing or distributing child pornography OK with you? What about shouting "fire" in a crowded cinema? What about shouting racist abuse? How about someone tweeting their anger at white people on their personal Twitter account, should that be a firing offense?

In response to your asinine comment, here's a list of all the fallacies your five questions contain. That's a pretty epic failure on your part. Achievement unlocked, to be sure.

In logic and rhetoric, personal attacks are called ad hominems. Ad hominem is Latin for “against the man.” Instead of advancing good sound reasoning, ad hominems replace logical arguments with attack-language unrelated to the truth of the matter.

More specifically, ad hominems are a fallacy of relevance where someone rejects or criticizes another person’s view by personal characteristics, background, physical appearance, or other features irrelevant to the argument at issue.

An ad hominem is more than just an insult. It’s an insult used as if it were an argument or evidence in support of a conclusion. Verbally attacking people proves nothing about the truth or falsity of their claims.

Straw man fallacies are a cheap and easy way to make one’s position look stronger than it is. The purpose of this fallacy is to show opposing views as “non-starters,” lifeless, truthless, and wholly unreliable. By comparison, one’s position will appear better. You can imagine how straw man fallacies and ad hominems can occur together to demonize opponents and discredit their views.

False Dilemma/False Dichotomy fallacies have other names: “black-and-white fallacy,” “either-or fallacy,” “false dichotomy,” and “bifurcation fallacy.” This line of reasoning fails by limiting the options to two when there are in fact more options to choose from. Sometimes the choices are between one thing, the other thing, or both things together (they don’t exclude each other). However it may happen, the false dichotomy fallacy errs by oversimplifying the variety of possibilities. Think: mutually inclusive.

The slippery slope fallacy works by moving from a seemingly benign premise or starting point and working through many small steps to an improbable extreme.

Hasty generalizations are general statements without sufficient evidence to support them. They are broad claims too hastily made. Hence they commit some wrong assumption, stereotyping, unwarranted conclusion, overstatement, or exaggeration. (Pro-Tip: some on this site have a Black Belt in this nonsense.)

A Red Herring is a distraction from the argument type with some sentiment that seems to be relevant but isn’t on-topic. Typically, the abstraction sounds relevant but isn’t entirely on-topic. This tactic is common when someone doesn’t like the current topic and wants to detour into something more "manageable" or "safer" to address.
 
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25. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 22:44 jdreyer
 
Kxmode wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 19:38:
jdreyer wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 19:12:
Kxmode wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 18:37:
As an act, it's a stepping stone towards denying freedoms in other areas. Eventually, in the public sector, the U.S. government is going to turn on all established religions. By then, most of society will be completely okay with denying the freedom of religion.
The US becomes less religious daily. However, freedom of religion is a constitutional amendment, and that's been repealed only once, because it turns out people like drinking. The current partisan nature of our politics means that it's currently not possible to add any new amendments, and won't be in our lifetimes. Even if we could, there are a lot of other things people would want to spend the political capital of passing an amendment on than that. Honestly, no one cares that religious freedom is part of the Constitution or not.

When they turn against Religion, they likely won't amend anything. The government will merely outlaw ALL religions and declare war on them all. There will be a radical shift away from protecting this fundamental freedom, to actively targeting these institutions. If you don't think it will happen here, consider what happened to the Witnesses in Russia. Last year, the Russia government -- in direct opposition to their own chartered billed of rights that is nearly on par with the United States's Bill of Rights -- banned Jehovah's Witnesses on fake charges claiming the Witnesses are the same as terrorist organizations. Will the U.S. Government label all religions as terrorist groups to justify their actions? Who knows. We'll have to wait and see.

Edit: correction

Dude,

1. We're not Russia. The vast majority of Americans support the Constitution and the rule of law. Attempts to even mildly subvert it are met with massive protest, regardless of who is in the White House.

2. We are still an overwhelmingly Christian nation, and tolerate all kinds of wild variations on that religion,from Quakers to Mormons to Baptists to Evangelicals and beyond. The Witnesses little to worry about beyond getting bitten by a dog when the prosthelytize.

3. We can't even rein in the deadly second amendment. There is no way we are even looking at modifying the first amendment in our grandchildren's lifetimes.

4. Look, there absolutely is Religious persecution in the world, and it's bad. I get that. But you really don't need to be worried about it here, barring some major catastrophe like a meteor strike. And at that point, you'd probably have bigger things to worry about.

5. Whatever you're smoking, can you send me some?
 
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24. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 21:06 RedEye9
 

I am really tired of all the claims of "free speech" being squashed when a tech company or publication refuses to broadcast or publish material that is clearly fraudulent, or meant to stoke hate or violence. Though there is a constitutional right to express yourself, and the government cannot limit that speech without good cause, there is no guarantee that any internet or media outlet has to spread hate. Mr. Jones is entitled to his faulty and dangerous opinions. He is certainly free to stand on a shoebox on a crowded city intersection of his choice and shout them to the crowds. But he is not entitled to having others spread his lies for him.

Free speech is a concept that applies to agencies of government. Private sector entities like Facebook are free to ban any speech they prefer not to have on their platform. They all have Terms of Service every user must agree to in order to use the platform. Any user who finds those terms too restrictive is free to use some other platform instead. What a user is NOT free to do is what Jones and his ilk have done - agree to the platform's Terms of Service, violate them repeatedly, then complain that they are victims when they are denied access to the platform.

 
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23. Re: Into the Black Aug 6, 2018, 20:51 Quboid
 
Kxmode wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 20:39:
Freedom of speech is binary. It either exists, or it doesn't. The choice to post comments or say things others find offensive is why the liberty lives in the first place. It is NOT our place to police or censure individuals. Nor does this right belong to the private sector or big government. Anyone who wants to travel down that road is engaging in restrictive freedom, and it is wrong. Worse, where does this action end? If it happens to one aspect of freedom, it will be easy to restrict another.

So you have no boundaries at all? Is viewing or distributing child pornography OK with you? What about shouting "fire" in a crowded cinema? What about shouting racist abuse? How about someone tweeting their anger at white people on their personal Twitter account, should that be a firing offense?
 
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22. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 20:39 Kxmode
 
NegaDeath wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 20:04:
I quoted a modern philosopher, you quoted a fictional character that flies around in spaceships. You also quoted an episode where he uttered that line to counter a conspiracy theorist that was attacking innocent people, whose investigation was shut down by her society to prevent the type of harm she was causing. Sounds familiar?

"She, or someone like her, will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish; spreading fear in the name of righteousness."

That is Jones. Be like Picard, don't tolerate these people.

You dismiss the quote as mindless drivel from a fictional captain. That doesn't make the information any less relevant. It is even more relevant today in our hyper-sensitive Internet censure culture, where the power to stifle people is as comfortable as deleting their accounts across social media.

Freedom of speech is binary. It either exists, or it doesn't. The choice to post comments or say things others find offensive is why the liberty lives in the first place. It is NOT our place to police or censure individuals. Nor does this right belong to the private sector or big government. Anyone who wants to travel down that road is engaging in restrictive freedom, and it is wrong. Worse, where does this action end? If it happens to one aspect of freedom, it will be easy to restrict another.

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 20:30:
you quoted a fictional character that flies around in spaceships
Exactly what you would expect from someone who believes in Sky Wizards and Bronze Age mythology.

You really enjoy conflating things don't you Redeye? Is there anything of meaning you'd like to contribute, or are you going to engage in mindless peanut gallery antics?

Correction: removed a unfriendly name-calling insult ("Blackeye"). That was wrong of me and I humbly apologize.

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