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GOG.com Tweet Backlash

GOG.com tweets about as tweet they made before removing it due to controversy, saying "we clearly messed up here." VG247 has details on the deleted tweet, saying it was a promotional image for Postal 2 which showed someone urinating on a headstone marked "games journalism." They note this as a call out to the GamerGate movement, which was highly critical of the gaming press, but is also the target of criticism itself over allegations of misogyny and sexism, and VG247 says they are dropping coverage of GOG.com as a result of this. The tweet has inspired lots of responses, many of which are complaints about the original tweet, but there are many posts critical of the apology as well. This tweet offers thoughts on the controversy, but we do not understand their reference to the significance of the date except that there were many GamerGate headlines around this time in 2015. Here's their post:

  • The intention behind our tweet was to inform about a release known for controversial content.
  • Unfortunately, we've failed to make the association between the image, the date, and an abusive movement.
  • Our intention was never to hurt or condone hate.

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82. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 23, 2018, 09:14 Prez
 
Racism against whites is definitely a thing as I've experienced it myself. The difference, as Beamer stated, is that racism against whites almost exclusively occurs uncommonly on a social interaction level, (with one major exception that I won't mention here as it's a contentious topic unto itself) whereas minorities see it on social and institutional levels on a much larger scale, thus the consequences can be far more severe.

I still doubt the validity of the statement that the majority of minorities experience racism every day. My work experience for the last 18 years has been in Memphis TN, a region where (ironically perhaps) minorities make up the majority by a significant margin. Due to simple demographics, the places where I have worked (industrial manufacturing environments) the work force has been made up largely of minorities, from entry level workers through supervisory roles and into higher management. Our mill manager is of minority ethnicity. These particular workers experience no racism at all at work (which is indicative of the effectiveness of the zero bigotry tolerance corporations have adopted and I have heard first hand in conversations with them) where they spend 12 to 16 hours a day. After which they go home. The majority of them live locally, so the likelihood of them experiencing racism outside of work is also diminished. Even the Memphis police force is made up of many minority officers, who tend to work the more minority-heavy areas of the city (something I think is very wise on the part of the MPD) which lessens the likelood of profiling (real or perceived).

All in all the "good ole southern boys" - derisively referred to as 'rednecks' by many here and elsewhere - and the predominantly minority workforce get along well and respectfully. In almost two decades I've not seen or heard of a single account of racism, institutional or otherwise, at the workplace, and outside of work only occasionally, far from every day.

EDIT Apologies if some of what I wrote is hard to understand - I have a bad habit of adding to certain sentences for clarity which can end up having the opposite effect.

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81. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 23, 2018, 08:36 Beamer
 
How widespread must individual racism be before you're willing to call it systematic?

And considering you've offered 0 examples of racism in the US against whites, is it worth ever bringing it up in a discussion about racism? Everyone knows it happens, but everyone should know that it never really impacts anyone. It's rare, and more importantly, it's almost always by people without power.

A CEO or police officer being racist can have huge implications. The guy sitting outside your local bodega being racist not so much.
 
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80. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 23, 2018, 06:33 Quinn
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 23, 2018, 04:19:

even after controlling for general risk considerations, such as credit score, loan-to-value ratio, subordinate liens, and debt-to-income ratios, Hispanic Americans are 78 percent more likely to be given a high-cost mortgage, and black Americans are 105 percent more likely.

From that same study:

High-cost lenders are much more aggressive in minority markets, the researchers say, which increases such borrowers’ exposure to these pricier loans. Prior research has found that members of these minority groups are less likely to comparison shop for mortgage products, which in turn increases the chances that they’ll wind up with the first offer they receive, and those offers tend to be expensive ones.

Like I said, fighting ghosts. Wanna see ghosts, wanna fight them. The new trend.
 
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79. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 23, 2018, 05:26 Quinn
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 23, 2018, 04:19:
Quinn wrote on Jul 22, 2018, 03:11:

Show me the evidence please?

Sleeping while black at Yale.
Mowing while black.
Swimming while black.
Drivers less likely to yield for blacks.
Crossing the street to avoid a black man.
Getting a mortgage while black or brown.
even after controlling for general risk considerations, such as credit score, loan-to-value ratio, subordinate liens, and debt-to-income ratios, Hispanic Americans are 78 percent more likely to be given a high-cost mortgage, and black Americans are 105 percent more likely.
Blacks and hispanics are more likely to be pulled over, pulled over more often, and more likely to get ticketed.

It's very telling that you came back to continue arguing this point without going out to do your own research. Took me about 15 mins to look up these stories.

Those first links you provided aren't cases of systematic racism but individual racism. The majority of people codemn these acts. To draw major conclusions from such individual cases and biased Google searches is ridiculous. It's like saying purple owls exist because you looked up purple owls in google images.
You have only proven individual racism toward blacks exists. I never argued the opposite.

As for the last link: I do not draw the same conclusion as you are willing to so quickly draw from that data. As directly quoted from the link: "These patterns illustrate the disparate impact of policing on minority communities. However, as with stop rates, these disparities may not be due to bias. In nearly every jurisdiction, stopped black and Hispanic drivers are searched more often than whites. But if minorities also happen to carry contraband at higher rates, these higher search rates may stem from appropriate police work. Disentangling discrimination from effective policing is challenging and requires more subtle statistical analysis."

There is a lot to say about racial profiling. I think there is no such thing as racial profiling, just profiling. If the majority of crime in a certain neighborhood is done by a certain race, data demands you adjust to that knowledge. If you don't, you dismiss unbiased data for the sake of being politically correct.
 
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78. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 23, 2018, 04:19 jdreyer
 
Quinn wrote on Jul 22, 2018, 03:11:

Show me the evidence please?

Sleeping while black at Yale.
Mowing while black.
Swimming while black.
Drivers less likely to yield for blacks.
Crossing the street to avoid a black man.
Getting a mortgage while black or brown.
even after controlling for general risk considerations, such as credit score, loan-to-value ratio, subordinate liens, and debt-to-income ratios, Hispanic Americans are 78 percent more likely to be given a high-cost mortgage, and black Americans are 105 percent more likely.
Blacks and hispanics are more likely to be pulled over, pulled over more often, and more likely to get ticketed.

It's very telling that you came back to continue arguing this point without going out to do your own research. Took me about 15 mins to look up these stories.
 
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77. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 23, 2018, 02:41 Quinn
 
Sepharo wrote on Jul 22, 2018, 18:36:
Quinn wrote on Jul 22, 2018, 18:28:
Don't you guys forget that I have stated nowhere that there is no such thing as racism toward coloured people. I simply said that I disagree with the notion that there is no such thing as racism toward whites.

You replied to a conversation with Prez about doubting that minorities experience racism daily. I'm not really interested in having the "people are racist against whites too!" conversation.

Also this, "evidence of "structural and systematic" racism cannot be found" is nonsense.

Oh it's nonsense? Shit. Forgive me for so vocally disagreeing then.

...

Again. Show me the evidence. I've been asking for it for a while by now. Alhough the burden of proof isn't on me, I gave it another 10 minutes Google search despite having already been convinced that there is no such thing.
To no avail.
Change my mind.
 
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76. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 22, 2018, 18:46 Beamer
 
Sepharo wrote on Jul 22, 2018, 18:36:
Quinn wrote on Jul 22, 2018, 18:28:
Don't you guys forget that I have stated nowhere that there is no such thing as racism toward coloured people. I simply said that I disagree with the notion that there is no such thing as racism toward whites.

You replied to a conversation with Prez about doubting that minorities experience racism daily. I'm not really interested in having the "people are racist against whites too!" conversation.

Also this, "evidence of "structural and systematic" racism cannot be found" is nonsense.
That's it.
I'd be shocked if a single white person here had a single meaningful racist event against them, in the US, in the past 5 years. I'd be equally shocked if we had a single black person here, but if we did, if he hadn't had a meaningful racist incident in the past 2 months alone. Just him.
 
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75. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 22, 2018, 18:36 Sepharo
 
Quinn wrote on Jul 22, 2018, 18:28:
Don't you guys forget that I have stated nowhere that there is no such thing as racism toward coloured people. I simply said that I disagree with the notion that there is no such thing as racism toward whites.

You replied to a conversation with Prez about doubting that minorities experience racism daily. I'm not really interested in having the "people are racist against whites too!" conversation.

Also this, "evidence of "structural and systematic" racism cannot be found" is nonsense.
 
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74. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 22, 2018, 18:28 Quinn
 
There's a lot of studies that conflict with eachother and, from what I remember, based on feeling because evidence of "structural and systematic" racism cannot be found. I have issues with data based on feelings.

I hear coloured people joke about white people. I'd just as hard make jokes about those coloured people. Equality ftw. It has become a new trend for us to legitimize victimhood where no victimhood is warranted. It's mostly fighting racist ghosts. In the country I live in, black people get the job if they are qualified. If they don't get the job, they're not. Today's trend allows those people to play the victim instead of forcing proper self-reflection on them. "It's because I'm black" is applauded where "Maybe I should have prepared more" should have been applied.

Don't you guys forget that I have stated nowhere that there is no such thing as racism toward coloured people. I simply said that I disagree with the notion that there is no such thing as racism toward whites.
 
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73. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 22, 2018, 17:55 Sepharo
 
Ask a black friend if they're made to feel their otherness every day.
(you will have met the quota for that day by the very question)

I see it with my coworkers every day. Many white coworkers are oblivious to the things they're saying or think racial jokes are okay as long as they're not explicitly told otherwise. A chuckle and a head shake are a coping mechanism, usually not a sign that "hey he thinks it's funny too!"

I was in a court for a speeding ticket last month and a judge offhandedly told a black teenager that he had to be careful because the way he looks will scare people. Wtf. He looked like... a teenager.
 
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72. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 22, 2018, 04:12 jdreyer
 
Does anyone have any links for Mr. Quinn? I'm on my phone where it's a hassle to insert links.

Or Mr. Quinn, you could take literally any line I wrote, throw it in Google, and have your answer. These points are from stories and studies that appeared in major publications over the past few years.
 
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71. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 22, 2018, 03:11 Quinn
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 21, 2018, 22:19:
Prez wrote on Jul 21, 2018, 16:30:
Most brown people in America experience racism every day

I don't think that's true actually. "Every day"? Seems like a gross exaggeration.

Obvious disclaimer - Yes, racism against minorities is still prevalent in the US, and I'm sure virtually every one of them have experienced it in their lifetime.

Do they get called the N-word to their faces every day? No, but there are lots of little things they experience daily that you and I don't.
- Surveilled while doing routine shopping
- Police called while doing routine activities: swimming in public pools, mowing lawns, sunning on the quad at Yale, etc.
- People crossing the street to avoid passing when they are approaching
- Lower chances of getting jobs, loans, mortgages, etc.
- Having to pay more for these things or getting lower salaries.
- Getting pulled over by police at twice, five times, ten times the rate as everyone else.
- Offhand comments, "You're pretty for a black girl." or "You're not like most black guys."
And hundreds of other things.

Show me the evidence please?
 
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70. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 21, 2018, 22:19 jdreyer
 
Prez wrote on Jul 21, 2018, 16:30:
Most brown people in America experience racism every day

I don't think that's true actually. "Every day"? Seems like a gross exaggeration.

Obvious disclaimer - Yes, racism against minorities is still prevalent in the US, and I'm sure virtually every one of them have experienced it in their lifetime.

Do they get called the N-word to their faces every day? No, but there are lots of little things they experience daily that you and I don't.
- Surveilled while doing routine shopping
- Police called while doing routine activities: swimming in public pools, mowing lawns, sunning on the quad at Yale, etc.
- People crossing the street to avoid passing when they are approaching
- Lower chances of getting jobs, loans, mortgages, etc.
- Having to pay more for these things or getting lower salaries.
- Getting pulled over by police at twice, five times, ten times the rate as everyone else.
- Offhand comments, "You're pretty for a black girl." or "You're not like most black guys."
And hundreds of other things.
 
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69. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 21, 2018, 18:37 Quboid
 
Quinn wrote on Jul 21, 2018, 16:42:
I also said "The closest I get to being offended is when I think somebody is so incredibly stupid that I disagree with them greatly."

Maybe it's a semantics thing. If getting annoyed by somebody's stupidity is called being offended by it, then yeah.. I get the irony level.

Yes, getting annoyed at someone's stupidity is called being offended by them. That usage is a lot more common than people actually saying something is offensive or describing themselves as being offended.

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68. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 21, 2018, 16:42 Quinn
 
Quboid wrote on Jul 21, 2018, 16:30:
Quinn wrote on Jul 21, 2018, 04:23:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2018, 10:08:
Quinn wrote on Jul 20, 2018, 09:47:
Cry me a motherfucking river! I hope all them pussies cuddle up inside one huge fucking safe space and someone throws a bomb in it.

BOOM!

Fucking useless pussy generation. Die in a fire.

Oh, and could those companies please stop giving in to the hurt feelings of these thin skinned idiots? Get a thicker skin and shut the fuck up.

/rant


So I can't go through your post history and find something that offended you?
Or is it different, because like Cutter, things that offend you are ok to be offended by, but things that don't offend you are things only "pussies" are offended by?

Go ahead, go through my posts. I do not get offended. It's a bullshit emotion and one that leads to censorship. The closest I get to being offended is when I think somebody is so incredibly stupid that I disagree with them greatly. Like people who say racism toward white people doesn't exist, for example. Still, "that offends me" is something I cannot imagine ever feeling or saying.

"Fucking useless pussy generation. Die in a fire."

Irony level: [overflow error, please reset irony machine]

You're as offended as most of the people who get labelled thin skinned idiots ... in a post you quoted while claiming you don't get offended.

I also said "The closest I get to being offended is when I think somebody is so incredibly stupid that I disagree with them greatly."

Maybe it's a semantics thing. If getting annoyed by somebody's stupidity is called being offended by it, then yeah.. I get the irony level.
 
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67. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 21, 2018, 16:36 Quinn
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 21, 2018, 10:17:
Quinn wrote on Jul 21, 2018, 04:23:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2018, 10:08:
Quinn wrote on Jul 20, 2018, 09:47:
Cry me a motherfucking river! I hope all them pussies cuddle up inside one huge fucking safe space and someone throws a bomb in it.

BOOM!

Fucking useless pussy generation. Die in a fire.

Oh, and could those companies please stop giving in to the hurt feelings of these thin skinned idiots? Get a thicker skin and shut the fuck up.

/rant


So I can't go through your post history and find something that offended you?
Or is it different, because like Cutter, things that offend you are ok to be offended by, but things that don't offend you are things only "pussies" are offended by?

Go ahead, go through my posts. I do not get offended. It's a bullshit emotion and one that leads to censorship. The closest I get to being offended is when I think somebody is so incredibly stupid that I disagree with them greatly. Like people who say racism toward white people doesn't exist, for example. Still, "that offends me" is something I cannot imagine ever feeling or saying.

This is more fun, then.
Most brown people in America experience racism every day. Hell, we have plenty of studies that show a resume with a "brown person" name will get less attention than a "white person name."

Tell me, what racism do you experience every day? Or even weekly? Do you get followed around stores? Do you get accused of crimes just for being in a place you're supposed to be in? Does anything happen to you, ever, that warrants being placed on the same level as things like this?

What are you talking about? I implied that there is such a thing as racism toward white people. Nowhere did I compare how much more one race experiences racism than the other.
Just the other day I tried to pass a black woman in the bus and as she moved aside she looked at me and scoffed, muttering "Pff, white people". Albeit anecdotal, that right there immediately proves my claim that racism toward white people exists. That's it. I don't feel like going further into the debate. All I want to say about it is that in today's day and age, you get a fuck-load of benefits from being a victim. If I don't get the job I applied for, it's also easier to blame it on my skin than to do some proper self-reflection.
 
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66. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 21, 2018, 16:30 Prez
 
Most brown people in America experience racism every day

I don't think that's true actually. "Every day"? Seems like a gross exaggeration.

Obvious disclaimer - Yes, racism against minorities is still prevalent in the US, and I'm sure virtually every one of them have experienced it in their lifetime.
 
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65. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 21, 2018, 16:30 Quboid
 
Quinn wrote on Jul 21, 2018, 04:23:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2018, 10:08:
Quinn wrote on Jul 20, 2018, 09:47:
Cry me a motherfucking river! I hope all them pussies cuddle up inside one huge fucking safe space and someone throws a bomb in it.

BOOM!

Fucking useless pussy generation. Die in a fire.

Oh, and could those companies please stop giving in to the hurt feelings of these thin skinned idiots? Get a thicker skin and shut the fuck up.

/rant


So I can't go through your post history and find something that offended you?
Or is it different, because like Cutter, things that offend you are ok to be offended by, but things that don't offend you are things only "pussies" are offended by?

Go ahead, go through my posts. I do not get offended. It's a bullshit emotion and one that leads to censorship. The closest I get to being offended is when I think somebody is so incredibly stupid that I disagree with them greatly. Like people who say racism toward white people doesn't exist, for example. Still, "that offends me" is something I cannot imagine ever feeling or saying.

"Fucking useless pussy generation. Die in a fire."

Irony level: [overflow error, please reset irony machine]

You're as offended as most of the people who get labelled thin skinned idiots ... in a post you quoted while claiming you don't get offended.
 
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64. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 21, 2018, 16:10 jdreyer
 
Sepharo wrote on Jul 20, 2018, 19:08:
There's another GoG tweet scandal today...

But it's James Gunn getting fired from Guardians of the Galaxy for pedo joke tweets he made before he was famous.
Apparently Trumpers weren't happy with his political posting so they searched his old tweets and reported what they found and Disney fired him.

Wait, Gunn was making jokes about children? Why would that be a firing offense?

ED: Damnit, ninja'd.
 
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63. Re: GOG.com Tweet Backlash Jul 21, 2018, 16:09 jdreyer
 
RedEye9 wrote on Jul 20, 2018, 17:13:
Icewind wrote on Jul 20, 2018, 12:17:
I wonder how many extra copies of Firewatch GOG will sell and if it'll make up for the lost sales they're going to see due to this fiasco.

I did the math and GOG will actually sell 17.2% more copies of Firewatch now than they would have sold before this NON-fiasco.
Win-win!
 
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