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Op Ed

GamesIndustry.biz - ArenaNet sends all the wrong messages.
"First, to ArenaNet developers and would-be applicants: The company will not go to bat for you against the fanbase if they decide they don't like you. Your employment with the company will always be precarious. ArenaNet will not hesitate to throw you under the bus for having the audacity to be annoyed by people telling you how to do your job, or for simply sticking up for a co-worker who does the same.

To misogynist trolls: Guild Wars 2 is a welcoming place for you. Your tactics are valid and effective. Please continue harassing women and minorities out of the industry because ArenaNet doesn't want them here enough to support them when it is in any way inconvenient.

To Guild Wars 2 players: You are the most important thing to ArenaNet. What you say, goes. ArenaNet doesn't particularly care if your anger will embolden an internet hate campaign, or what horrible repercussions might come from unconditional subservience to your apparent whims. Just please stop yelling."

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24. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 20:21 eRe4s3r
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 11:44:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 11:38:
Beamer wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 10:24:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 10:17:
MT Silver wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 03:43:
The more interesting story is how many games journalists are coming to Jessica Price's aid. Gamergate never ended, folks.

GamesIndustry.biz does not employ any journalists far as I could see. The person that wrote this is an editor and not a journalist with journalistic integrity nor education.

In fact an editor should never be posting anything on a news site ^^ What this is, and thus showing why GamesIndustry.biz is not a news site, is an unmarked OP-ED (opinion piece). Blues has more journalistic integrity than the above linked site...

Can't a site have both news and op-ed? It seems a weird line to draw to say it can't have both. This isn't presented as news, it's presented as an opinion.

Can you find me a single news site that doesn't also have opinion pieces? For the record, even Blue puts his opinion in, even if it's often just a few words.

Lastly, what does an education have to do with it. Woodward and Bernstein are probably the two most important reporters in American history, but only one had a degree, and it wasn't in journalism. Acting as if a journalist needs, or should even have, a degree in journalism is ridiculous. As ridiculous as this guy's opinion on what happened on Twitter (both employees were pretty clearly wrong.)

If you mark your OP-ED like Blues does and only infer opinion on aggregated news in clearly denoted style then he maintains integrity since he does not modify the linked content in any way That's the blessing of news aggregation (like fefe, bluesnews, etc.)

If you are a industry news site and not an aggregation site and you don't mark your op-eds then you are lacking journalistic integrity. Or basically, what you post isn't news, it's opinions and your site becomes utterly worthless for any advanced discourse (like Breitbart). And this is why you really want journalistic education since this is one of the first things you learn "Write the facts without bias" and more importantly, how to actually do that, because it's amazingly difficult

Also you might not be aware of that, but if you work at a news paper as reporter first thing you get to do is visit a journalism course. News papers in particular want their reporters to KNOW how to write unbiased articles with facts only so that they don't earn them dozens of lawsuits every week.

Ps.: And obviously a site can have blogs opinions and news. It just needs to clearly mark what is what. Otherwise you need to assume that nothing posted is unbiased news.

But this isn't listed as news. This is the same as the old Editor musings at the front of CGW or PCG.

Is Engadget a failure because this is marked as Transportation not Editorial?

And is there a single person on the planet who wouldn't be aware that the article we're discussing is an opinion?

The answer is yes to both of your questions Mark your OP-ED or be called a journalistic hack. Like that guy on Polygon is, rightfully.
 
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23. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 11:44 Beamer
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 11:38:
Beamer wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 10:24:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 10:17:
MT Silver wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 03:43:
The more interesting story is how many games journalists are coming to Jessica Price's aid. Gamergate never ended, folks.

GamesIndustry.biz does not employ any journalists far as I could see. The person that wrote this is an editor and not a journalist with journalistic integrity nor education.

In fact an editor should never be posting anything on a news site ^^ What this is, and thus showing why GamesIndustry.biz is not a news site, is an unmarked OP-ED (opinion piece). Blues has more journalistic integrity than the above linked site...

Can't a site have both news and op-ed? It seems a weird line to draw to say it can't have both. This isn't presented as news, it's presented as an opinion.

Can you find me a single news site that doesn't also have opinion pieces? For the record, even Blue puts his opinion in, even if it's often just a few words.

Lastly, what does an education have to do with it. Woodward and Bernstein are probably the two most important reporters in American history, but only one had a degree, and it wasn't in journalism. Acting as if a journalist needs, or should even have, a degree in journalism is ridiculous. As ridiculous as this guy's opinion on what happened on Twitter (both employees were pretty clearly wrong.)

If you mark your OP-ED like Blues does and only infer opinion on aggregated news in clearly denoted style then he maintains integrity since he does not modify the linked content in any way That's the blessing of news aggregation (like fefe, bluesnews, etc.)

If you are a industry news site and not an aggregation site and you don't mark your op-eds then you are lacking journalistic integrity. Or basically, what you post isn't news, it's opinions and your site becomes utterly worthless for any advanced discourse (like Breitbart). And this is why you really want journalistic education since this is one of the first things you learn "Write the facts without bias" and more importantly, how to actually do that, because it's amazingly difficult

Also you might not be aware of that, but if you work at a news paper as reporter first thing you get to do is visit a journalism course. News papers in particular want their reporters to KNOW how to write unbiased articles with facts only so that they don't earn them dozens of lawsuits every week.

Ps.: And obviously a site can have blogs opinions and news. It just needs to clearly mark what is what. Otherwise you need to assume that nothing posted is unbiased news.

But this isn't listed as news. This is the same as the old Editor musings at the front of CGW or PCG.

Is Engadget a failure because this is marked as Transportation not Editorial?

And is there a single person on the planet who wouldn't be aware that the article we're discussing is an opinion?
 
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22. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 11:38 eRe4s3r
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 10:24:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 10:17:
MT Silver wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 03:43:
The more interesting story is how many games journalists are coming to Jessica Price's aid. Gamergate never ended, folks.

GamesIndustry.biz does not employ any journalists far as I could see. The person that wrote this is an editor and not a journalist with journalistic integrity nor education.

In fact an editor should never be posting anything on a news site ^^ What this is, and thus showing why GamesIndustry.biz is not a news site, is an unmarked OP-ED (opinion piece). Blues has more journalistic integrity than the above linked site...

Can't a site have both news and op-ed? It seems a weird line to draw to say it can't have both. This isn't presented as news, it's presented as an opinion.

Can you find me a single news site that doesn't also have opinion pieces? For the record, even Blue puts his opinion in, even if it's often just a few words.

Lastly, what does an education have to do with it. Woodward and Bernstein are probably the two most important reporters in American history, but only one had a degree, and it wasn't in journalism. Acting as if a journalist needs, or should even have, a degree in journalism is ridiculous. As ridiculous as this guy's opinion on what happened on Twitter (both employees were pretty clearly wrong.)

If you mark your OP-ED like Blues does and only infer opinion on aggregated news in clearly denoted style then he maintains integrity since he does not modify the linked content in any way That's the blessing of news aggregation (like fefe, bluesnews, etc.)

If you are a industry news site and not an aggregation site and you don't mark your op-eds then you are lacking journalistic integrity. Or basically, what you post isn't news, it's opinions and your site becomes utterly worthless for any advanced discourse (like Breitbart). And this is why you really want journalistic education since this is one of the first things you learn "Write the facts without bias" and more importantly, how to actually do that, because it's amazingly difficult

Also you might not be aware of that, but if you work at a news paper as reporter first thing you get to do is visit a journalism course. News papers in particular want their reporters to KNOW how to write unbiased articles with facts only so that they don't earn them dozens of lawsuits every week. And he worked at a newspaper as editor, he knows this.

Ps.: And obviously a site can have blogs opinions and news. It just needs to clearly mark what is what. Otherwise you need to assume that nothing posted is unbiased news.
 
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21. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 10:24 Beamer
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 10:17:
MT Silver wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 03:43:
The more interesting story is how many games journalists are coming to Jessica Price's aid. Gamergate never ended, folks.

GamesIndustry.biz does not employ any journalists far as I could see. The person that wrote this is an editor and not a journalist with journalistic integrity nor education.

In fact an editor should never be posting anything on a news site ^^ What this is, and thus showing why GamesIndustry.biz is not a news site, is an unmarked OP-ED (opinion piece). Blues has more journalistic integrity than the above linked site...

Can't a site have both news and op-ed? It seems a weird line to draw to say it can't have both. This isn't presented as news, it's presented as an opinion.

Can you find me a single news site that doesn't also have opinion pieces? For the record, even Blue puts his opinion in, even if it's often just a few words.

Lastly, what does an education have to do with it. Woodward and Bernstein are probably the two most important reporters in American history, but only one had a degree, and it wasn't in journalism. Acting as if a journalist needs, or should even have, a degree in journalism is ridiculous. As ridiculous as this guy's opinion on what happened on Twitter (both employees were pretty clearly wrong.)
 
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20. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 10:17 eRe4s3r
 
MT Silver wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 03:43:
The more interesting story is how many games journalists are coming to Jessica Price's aid. Gamergate never ended, folks.

GamesIndustry.biz does not employ any journalists far as I could see. The person that wrote this is an editor and not a journalist with journalistic integrity nor education.

In fact an editor should never be posting anything on a news site ^^ What this is, and thus showing why GamesIndustry.biz is not a news site, is an unmarked OP-ED (opinion piece). Blues has more journalistic integrity than the above linked site...
 
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19. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 09:30 NKD
 
To Guild Wars 2 players: You are the most important thing to ArenaNet.

Uhh... is that bad? They are the ones keeping the lights on for fuck's sake. Meanwhile there are a ton of hungry young writers waiting in the wings to replace these stooges.

No employer is going to "go to bat" for an employee who pisses off their entire customer base.
 
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18. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 09:08 Prez
 
It's hard to imagine any writer more completely missing the point and deliberately misrepresenting what took place than this idiot did. So even though a male got fired - for being far less rude and demeaning than his female counterpart was, this is still somehow about unfair treatment of women? Riiiiiiight.  
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17. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 07:20 eRe4s3r
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jul 10, 2018, 06:12:
Brendan Sinclair and any "journalist" interpreting it totally contrary to reality, should get fired as well. Holy fuck, how can you write such lies and still be employed?

It's Gamergate in reverse
 
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16. removed Jul 10, 2018, 07:04 Asmodai
 
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15. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 06:16 Rilcon
 
No mention in the article about her turning an innocent and polite comment into a sexist attack, about the commenter being a public figure in the community promoting the game, or about her publicly celebrating the death of a games journalist that wasn't part of the ingroup.

Figures.

If you're going to be on social media under your real name and highlighting your job title and employer, don't act like a shitty person. It's as idiotic as a store employee wearing the uniform walking out of the store after work and launching into a tirade against customers right in front of the boss.
 
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14. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 06:12 Muscular Beaver
 
Brendan Sinclair and any "journalist" interpreting it totally contrary to reality, should get fired as well. Holy fuck, how can you write such lies and still be employed?  
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Waiting for BIS to come back to their senses and do a real ArmA 2 successor.
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13. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 03:43 MT Silver
 
The more interesting story is how many games journalists are coming to Jessica Price's aid. Gamergate never ended, folks.  
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12. Re: Op Ed Jul 10, 2018, 00:02 Jivaro
 
The fact that this is still even a debate is perplexing to me. I don't care if you self identify as a shell-less walnut, if you treat a customer badly you can expect to get fired. If she didn't want to answer his question the right thing to do, the only the thing to do, was say nothing at all. Beautiful thing about twitter, you can simply choose to not hit send. Fucking celebrities with first name only status like Roseanne have lost their jobs in past few years for negatively impacting the reputation of the their employers with the things they say and post on social media. Why would it be different here? Baffling.

I have always considered myself a feminist but I am not giving Jessica a pass to be a dick to every penis on the planet because some dickless man-babies can't control their sexist outbursts. She is supposed to be the professional here.
 
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11. Re: Op Ed Jul 9, 2018, 23:50 Squirmer
 
I don't think the devs should have been fired (even GW2 players were very surprised when this happened) but these opinion pieces do seem to ignore just how out of line the dev was. If you jump down someone's throat for politely offering an opinion, there will be some consequences. If the 'rando asshat' had been abusing her, I'm sure there wouldn't have been a problem with the reaction. But he wasn't.  
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10. Re: Op Ed Jul 9, 2018, 23:13 ItBurn
 
Someone politely gives an opinion to a dev on the internet, which is a thing that happens a million times a day with no consequences. Dev who directly represents company freaks out, escalates it and makes it about sexes, which is a huge taboo topic these days that no company wants to be associated with. I don't see how anyone can be surprised about the firing. It's not about trolls or not valuing employees, it's about a dev who wasn't professional and didn't follow common sense with social media and work.  
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9. Re: Op Ed Jul 9, 2018, 21:26 FloorPie
 
A video game writer, a mmo writer no less, can't take some tame criticism from a rando youtuber and the white knights ride out to the rescue of m'lady.

Devs get all kinds of lame advice they wisely ignore. They also get all kinds of advice they should probably listen to but don't. Film at 11.
 
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8. Re: Op Ed Jul 9, 2018, 21:24 jdreyer
 
Can't get to gamesindusry.biz

DDOS?
 
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7. Re: Op Ed Jul 9, 2018, 21:14 jacobvandy
 
"Annoyed by people telling you how to do your job."

Yeah, that's virtually everyone who's ever worked in their life... the difference is that most people are actually merely annoyed and maybe joke about it with co-workers, they aren't legitimately offended and launching into public arguments with customers. Unless they're a bad employee. You've gotta have an even thicker skin if you're doing something creative and are SEEKING feedback from those you're doing it for.
 
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6. Re: Op Ed Jul 9, 2018, 20:55 MoreLuckThanSkill
 
The trolls won this one.

At least it will be a wake up call, hopefully; don't use social media, if there is any chance it can be tied back to you. It's only going to go negative or cause a distraction.

Let the nameless social media drone interns send out sanitized press releases or whatever on twitter, don't have any personal accounts.

 
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5. Re: Op Ed Jul 9, 2018, 20:24 Eirikrautha
 
Someone bring the fainting couch! Brendan is about to collapse from the sheer horror of a woman (gasp) being held to the same standard as a man would be...  
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