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Link of the Day: Star Wars Standalone Movies Potentially Being Put On Hold. Thanks JDreyer.
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Jun 22, 2018, 14:40
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Eirikrautha wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 21:19:
The merchandise sales for Star Wars are at an all-time low (even less than when there were no movies being made).

Care to back up that statement with references?

"...and in stonks, Fizzy Squeezy Stocklebocks leaped over Droopy Whoopy Bondfluffs, hitting 300-gigglebits to their 150-snorebucks. Meanwhile, in Whimsyland's market, the pancakes reached parity with pogo sticks."
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Eirikrautha wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 21:19:
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 17:44:
They're not reasonable for Star Wars, though.

The box office sales or the budget numbers? I agree that the box office sales are well below expectation for a Star Wars movie. However, what I had intended to communicate with my imprecise phrasing was that the budget numbers I quoted may not be 100% accurate, but at the least are reasonable estimates that imply that Solo is indeed on track to lose hundreds of millions of dollars for Disney. A loss in the hundreds of millions is, as you note, not a reasonable outcome for a Star Wars film.

You are also forgetting the price Disney paid for Lucasfilm and Star Wars. At this point Disney would have made more on the interest on the $4+ billion they spent. The merchandise sales for Star Wars are at an all-time low (even less than when there were no movies being made). Disney bought the golden goose, then hired a butcher to keep it healthy...


Unsurprisingly, you're talking out your ass. You're one of those people angry that Disney dare focus on a female in a Star Wars movie, so you bend the truth to make it fit your world view.

Show us the math on the interest. Can you figure out how much a corporation would earn on $4B? Unlikely. Can you figure out how much Disney made on the films in that time? Here's a hint: estimates on box office profits were $1B for the first two movies combined. Add another $600M for The Last Jedi, then reduce $200M for Solo. Add in the $250M Netflix is paying them. Add in all the licensing, the additional tv deals, the rides they're building in the theme parks, and balance that against the interest you feel they would have earned.

Then show us how Star Wars merch sales are at an "all-time low."

You can't: Star Wars was the second-best selling toy line of 2017. It was the best of Holiday 2017. It wasn't selling as well as it did in 2016, but it was still the second-best.

Once again, you live in a fantasy world where everyone is angry at "SJWs" and lets it cloud their own entertainment. But that's not true, it's just you this angry at "liberals," and just you incapable of using facts rather than things some idiot on Twitter said, as your basis.
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Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 17:44:
They're not reasonable for Star Wars, though.

The box office sales or the budget numbers? I agree that the box office sales are well below expectation for a Star Wars movie. However, what I had intended to communicate with my imprecise phrasing was that the budget numbers I quoted may not be 100% accurate, but at the least are reasonable estimates that imply that Solo is indeed on track to lose hundreds of millions of dollars for Disney. A loss in the hundreds of millions is, as you note, not a reasonable outcome for a Star Wars film.

You are also forgetting the price Disney paid for Lucasfilm and Star Wars. At this point Disney would have made more on the interest on the $4+ billion they spent. The merchandise sales for Star Wars are at an all-time low (even less than when there were no movies being made). Disney bought the golden goose, then hired a butcher to keep it healthy...
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Jun 21, 2018, 18:08
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jdreyer wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 11:39:
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 05:43:
Kxmode wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 01:58:

A Splinter in the Force

This one will be the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Star Wars mash-up you never knew you needed. Master Splinter trains with yoda and becomes a galactic bad-ass with his ZANY pizza-loving turtle squadron.
Ninja turtles with lightsabers? Sign me up!

Well, technically, the only one who'd have proper lightsabers is Leonardo. The other's would have lightsaber variations of their favorite weapons.

jdreyer wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 11:39:
@KX, I think you have a nice idea for a trilogy there.

Thanks! I think it would work. The problem with The Last Jedi and Solo is they take place in a well-established framework that is very familiar to most. But going back thousands of years to first-contact with the Force would be new ground for EVERYONE.
"...and in stonks, Fizzy Squeezy Stocklebocks leaped over Droopy Whoopy Bondfluffs, hitting 300-gigglebits to their 150-snorebucks. Meanwhile, in Whimsyland's market, the pancakes reached parity with pogo sticks."
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Cram wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 12:18:

Scientist Man for President.

I'm particularly fond of the one where Scientist Man explains the state of the Terminator film franchise timeline.
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They're not reasonable for Star Wars, though.

The box office sales or the budget numbers? I agree that the box office sales are well below expectation for a Star Wars movie. However, what I had intended to communicate with my imprecise phrasing was that the budget numbers I quoted may not be 100% accurate, but at the least are reasonable estimates that imply that Solo is indeed on track to lose hundreds of millions of dollars for Disney. A loss in the hundreds of millions is, as you note, not a reasonable outcome for a Star Wars film.
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jdreyer wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 11:35:
Creston wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 08:56:
Yeah, clearly $350 million box office for Solo, released in the summer schedule, was just TERRIBLE. Rolleyes

The movie cost $250m to make, with an additional $100m in advertising, so that's break even. Not what you want from a summer blockbuster.

What I meant was, they've released every other Star Wars movie in the winter. This one goes into the busy slot, six months after the Last Jedi, and suddenly they're like "Why isn't everyone going to see Star Wars again?!"
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Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 09:28:

It's on track to lose several hundred million dollars. $350 in theater sales isn't much when compared to a $250 million original budget + $200 million reshoot budget + $150 million marketing budget. (I'm taking those numbers from a YouTube film critic's video,

Scientist Man for President.
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Jun 21, 2018, 11:58
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jdreyer wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 11:35:
Creston wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 08:56:
Yeah, clearly $350 million box office for Solo, released in the summer schedule, was just TERRIBLE. Rolleyes

The movie cost $250m to make, with an additional $100m in advertising, so that's break even. Not what you want from a summer blockbuster.

jdreyer, you are waaaaay off! $350m in the theatres, dude. You do know that the theatres get a share and don't work for free?

And $100m for worldwide ads? Not even close...

And I HIGHLY doubt that including reshoots the production cost was just $250m. We will get the real numbers as soon as Disney has to inform its shareholders about the quarterly details. Then we will see...

Solo lost money. A Star Wars movie should not only NOT lose money but should make TONS of it. Star Wars is failing, and Disney has hit the brakes and will now investigate what is going wrong and what they can do about it. I got a feeling Kate Kennedy's head might be rolling very soon... Of course it will all be a planned retirement and not a reaction to Star Wars going under.

This also means that ALL projects she started with the exception of episode IX got stopped and will be under investigation, too.
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Mordecai Walfish wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 05:43:
Kxmode wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 01:58:

A Splinter in the Force

This one will be the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Star Wars mash-up you never knew you needed. Master Splinter trains with yoda and becomes a galactic bad-ass with his ZANY pizza-loving turtle squadron.
Ninja turtles with lightsabers? Sign me up!

@KX, I think you have a nice idea for a trilogy there.
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Creston wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 08:56:
Yeah, clearly $350 million box office for Solo, released in the summer schedule, was just TERRIBLE. Rolleyes

The movie cost $250m to make, with an additional $100m in advertising, so that's break even. Not what you want from a summer blockbuster.
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Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 09:28:
Creston wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 08:56:
Yeah, clearly $350 million box office for Solo, released in the summer schedule, was just TERRIBLE. Rolleyes


It's on track to lose several hundred million dollars. $350 in theater sales isn't much when compared to a $250 million original budget + $200 million reshoot budget + $150 million marketing budget. (I'm taking those numbers from a YouTube film critic's video, so they may not be 100% accurate. Regardless, they are reasonable numbers for modern big-franchise films with troubled productions, which Solo definitely was.)

They're not reasonable for Star Wars, though. Disney bought Star Wars expecting a large cinematic universe. They wanted another Marvel. Solo has brought in less than all but The Incredible Hulk (which hardly counts, imo.) Yeah, there were internal struggles, but most of the viewing public doesn't know that or care. That shouldn't have given a giant hit for opening weekend.

I still say the issue is that Disney is being dumb about the whole thing. And I think they're realizing that. Rogue One was a new story with new characters, and it did quite well. Solo is a story that makes an existing character feel smaller, and no one wants that. The Obi Wan movie would do the exact same thing, probably to a lesser extent (since we already know so much about him), but be less hyped (since he's a less loved character.) Boba Fett... I suppose not much is known about him other than "cool helmet," but I still think few people want to go see the teen years about a guy with a cool helmet and stupid death.

If Disney wants to do this right, they need to expand the universe, not the characters. With Marvel movies, we didn't see more of what was happening with characters we knew before we knew them, we saw new characters to begin to love. We got Black Panther instead of Iron Man: The DeGrassi Years.
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Creston wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 08:56:
Yeah, clearly $350 million box office for Solo, released in the summer schedule, was just TERRIBLE. Rolleyes


It's on track to lose several hundred million dollars. $350 in theater sales isn't much when compared to a $250 million original budget + $200 million reshoot budget + $150 million marketing budget. (I'm taking those numbers from a YouTube film critic's video, so they may not be 100% accurate. Regardless, they are reasonable numbers for modern big-franchise films with troubled productions, which Solo definitely was.)
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Yeah, clearly $350 million box office for Solo, released in the summer schedule, was just TERRIBLE. Rolleyes

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jdreyer wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 00:55:
Mr. Tact wrote on Jun 20, 2018, 23:46:
Cutter wrote on Jun 20, 2018, 23:22:
How the Koch Brothers Are Killing Public Transit Projects Around the Country

Just wow. And people think Trump is bad. If they only knew about all the shit these assholes do on a daily basis.
The only reason Trump doesn't do things like what the Koch brothers do is because he isn't as rich as the Koch brothers. If he had the money, and he would profit from it, he would do it. All three are prime examples of capitalism gone bad.
The Koch brothers are ideologues. Trump isn't. That's the difference.
Well, yes - that too. But what I said still goes. If Trump was rich enough, and he would profit from it, he would do it.
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Muscular Beaver wrote on Jun 20, 2018, 22:40:
@RedEye9
Youre really starting to become a full blown political troll. Arent you active on Videosift as well? Your blabbering sounds familiar.
Really, So anywhere someone speaks the truth and hammers the idiocracy and unconstitutional ploys of the current administration you think I'm that poster? Check you meds. smh
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Kxmode wrote on Jun 21, 2018, 01:58:

A Splinter in the Force

This one will be the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Star Wars mash-up you never knew you needed. Master Splinter trains with yoda and becomes a galactic bad-ass with his ZANY pizza-loving turtle squadron.
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What I want to see is the story of how and who discovered the force, and the pioneers who learned to wield it for good, and the splinter group who saw it as a powerful tool for selfish reasons. In Star Wars lore, Korriban is the original homeworld of the Sith race, but is this planet where the first contact with the force happened? How did these pioneers discover the connection between the Kyber crystals and the force? Was it them or their adversarial kin? There's a great story to tell here. Because it takes place thousands of years in the past, even before Knights of the Old Republic, Disney can give the writers and director a lot of freedom to go anywhere with it. The film could also tone down the technology and make it feel more like Firefly with its rustic western charms. I think that would be awesome.

Movie 1: The Voice of the Force - People from all over the galaxy begin to hear the calls of a presence and seek it out (think Close Encounters and the repeated shapes and sounds the people experienced) to learn.
Movie 2: A Splinter in the Force - A group of the gifted who reached the apex of knowledge in wielding the force and assembling kyber blades of light, break away to study the force for it's untapped "unnatural" purposes (like immortality). There's a hint of Xmen First Class here as sides begin to form and ideologies push friends apart.
Movie 3: The Force Ruptures - In a galaxy where the power of the force has remained hidden to all, a civil war breaks out between powerful agents. Between those who desire to use this found power for good and those who see it as an opportunity for control on a grand scale. Perhaps this film shows the birth of the prophecy of the One who would eventually bring balance to the force.

Anyhow, just brainstorming.

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Mr. Tact wrote on Jun 20, 2018, 23:46:
Cutter wrote on Jun 20, 2018, 23:22:
How the Koch Brothers Are Killing Public Transit Projects Around the Country

Just wow. And people think Trump is bad. If they only knew about all the shit these assholes do on a daily basis.
The only reason Trump doesn't do things like what the Koch brothers do is because he isn't as rich as the Koch brothers. If he had the money, and he would profit from it, he would do it. All three are prime examples of capitalism gone bad.
The Koch brothers are ideologues. Trump isn't. That's the difference.
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All that money Disney is dumping into their parks with massive chunks of Star Wars themed areas. If they're not the least bit concerned about lack of public interest they're fools.

They're running the franchise into the ground and they only have themselves to blame.

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