Steam Opening the Gates

A new post on the Steam Blog discusses "Who Gets To Be On The Steam Store" in light of recent questions about Valve's policies regarding games that include adult content and controversial topics. It's a lengthy discussion of the issues involved and the history of their policies. They then announce that their new policy going forward is to allow all content "except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling." Here's their conclusion:
So what does this mean? It means that the Steam Store is going to contain something that you hate, and don't think should exist. Unless you don't have any opinions, that's guaranteed to happen. But you're also going to see something on the Store that you believe should be there, and some other people will hate it and want it not to exist.

It also means that the games we allow onto the Store will not be a reflection of Valve’s values, beyond a simple belief that you all have the right to create & consume the content you choose. The two points above apply to all of us at Valve as well. If you see something on Steam that you think should not exist, it's almost certain that someone at Valve is right there with you.

To be explicit about that - if we allow your game onto the Store, it does not mean we approve or agree with anything you're trying to say with it. If you're a developer of offensive games, this isn't us siding with you against all the people you're offending. There will be people throughout the Steam community who hate your games, and hope you fail to find an audience, and there will be people here at Valve who feel exactly the same way. However, offending someone shouldn't take away your game's voice. We believe you should be able to express yourself like everyone else, and to find others who want to play your game. But that's it.

In the short term, we won't be making significant changes to what's arriving on Steam until we've finished some of the tools we've described in this post. As we've hopefully managed to convey, navigating these issues is messy and complicated. Countries and societies change their laws and cultural norms over time. We'll be working on this for the foreseeable future, both in terms of what products we're allowing, what guidelines we communicate, and the tools we're providing to developers and players.
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This is good.
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Who cares? Just work on getting rid of all the shovelware/assetflip garbage. Jesus, that's 90% of Steam now.
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Summary: We will put everything on Steam regardless of quality or content because we want our cut! Except if the outcry is large enough to possibly hurt our sales, then we might react to it...
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Sweet, it isn't the valves job to decide what a viable product should be.
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"We couldn't really agree on what to do, so we did the easiest thing we could do: We threw up our hands and said 'we're not doing jack shit anymore.'"

Great. Thanks Valve! Keep making more hats!
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well asset flip's describes 85% of DLC now.
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With that principle in mind, we've decided that the right approach is to allow everything onto the Steam Store, except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling.

Yippie!!! Even moar garbitch to sift through... yeeeehhhaaaa EXACTLY what everyone asked for! Awesome job there, Valve! No, really. Good goin'. Even better thinkin'. I love it already!!!

What I love even more is that Valve is now above the international law since only THEY decide what is illegal. This is great news and means we can get rid of all worldwide legal systems now cuz we have Valve to decide what's right and what's not.

The old and new Valve motto: In dubio pro el dinero*.






* yes, maggots, I know that that was a mix of Latin and Spanish and that the correct Latin phrase would be 'In dubio pro pecunia'.
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ItBurn wrote on Jun 6, 2018, 17:26:
This is good.

Agreed.

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I'd rather they do minimal curation than curate away shit I like because it's not up to someone elses standards, moral, ethical, or otherwise. I can decide for myself what type of content is not worth buying.
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Valve barely did any curation before, and now it's just going to be worse. Straight up "games" that don't run and asset flips and shovelware of all kinds. It's the wild west completely now. They have learned that they don't want to do even the modicum of curation they were doing before. So let everyone onto the platform and everything and that's the best way to maximize income with the least amount of work. I expect to see straight up malware released on Steam.

There are no standards anymore, no quality control. With hundreds of shovelware games getting released on Steam it's going to be even harder to find those diamond games without marketing budgets.

This is all to give us "player choice." When someone goes to medical school, they don't want to be taught pseudoscience like homeopathy or reiki or naturopathy. They expect to be taught things that have good arguments and evidence to back them up. They don't want "student choice" to learn pseudo medicine. Medical schools have to exercise some quality control over the subjects that they teach.

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I don't see how this is bad except for those people who seem to think that it's realistic to demand that everything in front of them be relevant to them and automatically placed on a platter and at the very same time demand that they have complete freedom of choice, a lack of walled gardening, etc etc.

Nothing will ever make those idiots happy because they seem to want two contradictory things. Steam/Valve/Gabe/that desk they roll around in the office...whoever...this was the right call.
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So instead of cleaning up their catalog, they double-down on asset flipped trash. After navigating over 5,000 titles since 2008, I am now in asset flip trash land. 90% of it is garbage. Steam's algorithm isn't getting the hint. I don't want these titles to appear in my Discovery queue.
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Can't say i have any issue finding the games i'm interested in - that said, i usually start with the "online co-op" tag which may filter out said trash from the start.

I don't have a problem with this change, especially as an Australian who needs to be protected by all the bad stuff cause the government knows best.

Oh, and INB4 Steam ban in Australia.

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good move on their part. they cant keep playing 'moral police' simply based on bad press that certain games/genres are getting.
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Overon wrote on Jun 6, 2018, 18:08:
There are no standards anymore, no quality control. With hundreds of shovelware games getting released on Steam it's going to be even harder to find those diamond games without marketing budgets.

Maybe you ought to rely on something other than flipping through a catalog or window shopping to find hidden gems? That's never been a good approach in the outside world, why would it be a good approach for digital? Find 3rd party curators you trust who can do that work for you. Handily, Steam has a system for these types of curators already.

If your curator is putting asset flips, shovelware, and Molest Little Anime Girls Simulator 2018 on their list, that's not really Valve's problem.
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Let's see how long this lasts when someone releases Pedophile Simulator 2018 and the media gets wind of it.

And all the people saying "this is good" will not be able to complain when the amount of straight up trash increases tenfold.

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Cutter wrote on Jun 6, 2018, 17:30:
Who cares? Just work on getting rid of all the shovelware/assetflip garbage. Jesus, that's 90% of Steam now.

Yup. The "we want every game to have a voice" is just Valve side-stepping the question of actual curation. Games about school shootings aren't the issue in and of themselves - I think an adventure game with a similar time mechanic to that of "Life is Strange" that explores the issues that a potential school shooter faces prior to his murderous action could be interesting for example - but so many games are thrown up for shock value alone completely devoid of anything resembling actual design and the store is utterly flooded with these, drowning out actual good games.
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Squirmer wrote on Jun 6, 2018, 19:32:
Let's see how long this lasts when someone releases Pedophile Simulator 2018 and the media gets wind of it.

Reading comprehension fail: "Nothing Illegal"
Pedophilia IS Illegal!

ItBurn wrote on Jun 6, 2018, 17:26:
This is good.

Agreed. Glad Valve have give the "two fingered salute" to the neo-marxist fun police.
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If you want a glimpse of the amount of shovelware that gets dumped into Steam daily check this link time to time:

http://www.whatsonsteam.com/index.htm

It basically captures every game before the filters kick in.
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