Out of the Blue

We had a very successful cookout yesterday. Everything turned out well, even the pile of marinated chicken breasts MrsBlue sprang on me at the last minute. These can be tricky, and I've experimented with varying degrees of success over the years, but I tried something new this time that worked well. I recently saw a tip about cooking breasts on the warming rack above the grill for an even more indirect heat. I thought this was a Mark Bittman tip, perhaps from his new book, but in searching online I can't relocate what I read about this anywhere. I reverse-seared them by getting them near the proper temperature on the warming rack and then getting a little sear from the grill to finish them. Easy peasy, and they came out perfectly done, and juicy throughout. I'm sorry I can't find the article about this trick to credit its originator, but it's that simple, so there's not much more to learn about it.

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May 30, 2018, 00:29
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RedEye9 wrote on May 29, 2018, 19:52:
eRe4s3r wrote on May 29, 2018, 15:16:
RedEye9 wrote on May 29, 2018, 10:32:
eRe4s3r wrote on May 28, 2018, 22:35:
RedEye9 wrote on May 28, 2018, 17:14:
jdreyer wrote on May 28, 2018, 14:41:
Blue wrote on May 28, 2018, 12:34:
1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.

I didn't time it, but it was until they got right around the proper 165 degrees. Probably double the time they'd take on the grill... I'm going to say 20 minutes or so?

If they never get up above 200, is that a safety concern?
Close to 200 is not a safety concern, just a dry bird concern. You can heat it up to 350 if you wanted to.
https://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html


edit, nvrmnd I misunderstood. 165 is the minimum safe temp. that's why all the chicken tartare places went under. Freak

Reaching that temp in the innermost core can be quite a long term engagement too. I low temp bake my chickens at 100°C for 2 hours and then grill them, you'd be surprised what the result is, nearly heavenly soft, juicy, chicken with crunchy outside.

So you can easily do it right. Not tartar though. I think of the foods I would never do, raw fish and chicken tartar rank top. I don't eat any meat raw.
I thought by adding "all the fowl tartare places" went under that the satire would be firmly cemented. But to be on the safe side i googled it. Seems like the world has no shortage of idiots lining up for the darwin awards.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/09/08/chicken-tartare-eat-your-own-peril-11797


And if food poisoning is not bad enough, one of my buddies tells me that he had a customer / patient who ate chicken as only meat, nearly every second day for 21 years and the result? He was immune to *all* antibiotics.

Because of chicken? Well, the insurance thinks yes. Hospital literally refused to operate him because it would endanger staff and other patients if he got ANY infection (which would be untreatable).

Best thing? He hold me after coming over seeing me make the above mentioned 100°C 2 hour low temp bake chicken. Yeah... yummy ;/
experts said regular consumers of such meat could be in danger of developing antibiotic resistance

They have to use antibiotics, how else can you get a hatchling to broiler weight in less than 10 days, amirite.

Right, and cheap prices don't help either. In the end only 1 thing you can do, don't eat chicken all that often, and if you do, make sure core temps are in order.
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Re: Out of the Blue
May 29, 2018, 19:52
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Re: Out of the Blue May 29, 2018, 19:52
May 29, 2018, 19:52
 
eRe4s3r wrote on May 29, 2018, 15:16:
RedEye9 wrote on May 29, 2018, 10:32:
eRe4s3r wrote on May 28, 2018, 22:35:
RedEye9 wrote on May 28, 2018, 17:14:
jdreyer wrote on May 28, 2018, 14:41:
Blue wrote on May 28, 2018, 12:34:
1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.

I didn't time it, but it was until they got right around the proper 165 degrees. Probably double the time they'd take on the grill... I'm going to say 20 minutes or so?

If they never get up above 200, is that a safety concern?
Close to 200 is not a safety concern, just a dry bird concern. You can heat it up to 350 if you wanted to.
https://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html


edit, nvrmnd I misunderstood. 165 is the minimum safe temp. that's why all the chicken tartare places went under. Freak

Reaching that temp in the innermost core can be quite a long term engagement too. I low temp bake my chickens at 100°C for 2 hours and then grill them, you'd be surprised what the result is, nearly heavenly soft, juicy, chicken with crunchy outside.

So you can easily do it right. Not tartar though. I think of the foods I would never do, raw fish and chicken tartar rank top. I don't eat any meat raw.
I thought by adding "all the fowl tartare places" went under that the satire would be firmly cemented. But to be on the safe side i googled it. Seems like the world has no shortage of idiots lining up for the darwin awards.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/09/08/chicken-tartare-eat-your-own-peril-11797


And if food poisoning is not bad enough, one of my buddies tells me that he had a customer / patient who ate chicken as only meat, nearly every second day for 21 years and the result? He was immune to *all* antibiotics.

Because of chicken? Well, the insurance thinks yes. Hospital literally refused to operate him because it would endanger staff and other patients if he got ANY infection (which would be untreatable).

Best thing? He hold me after coming over seeing me make the above mentioned 100°C 2 hour low temp bake chicken. Yeah... yummy ;/
experts said regular consumers of such meat could be in danger of developing antibiotic resistance

They have to use antibiotics, how else can you get a hatchling to broiler weight in less than 10 days, amirite.
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Re: Out of the Blue
May 29, 2018, 15:51
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May 29, 2018, 15:51
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2 things:

1) Most people cook the shit out of their chicken. You can have it get to 165 and still be pink inside. Overcooked chicken is awful, but chicken that just barely hits 165 and probably about perfect. I have too many memories of my dad making stringy bbq chicken because of those concerns (he is an amazing chef, but not so much an amazing BBQer - he just cooks the shit out of it all)

2) Per the USDA, 163 degrees is more or less the instant pasteurization point for chicken of any fattiness. But that's instant. You can, and I recommend, cooking chicken longer less. If you get the chicken to 140 degrees for 28 minutes, it's as safe as 165. It's a function of both time and temperature. Which is why sous vide is so delicious. This site compares chicken at 140-165. 145 is my choice.
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Re: Out of the Blue
May 29, 2018, 15:16
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Re: Out of the Blue May 29, 2018, 15:16
May 29, 2018, 15:16
 
RedEye9 wrote on May 29, 2018, 10:32:
eRe4s3r wrote on May 28, 2018, 22:35:
RedEye9 wrote on May 28, 2018, 17:14:
jdreyer wrote on May 28, 2018, 14:41:
Blue wrote on May 28, 2018, 12:34:
1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.

I didn't time it, but it was until they got right around the proper 165 degrees. Probably double the time they'd take on the grill... I'm going to say 20 minutes or so?

If they never get up above 200, is that a safety concern?
Close to 200 is not a safety concern, just a dry bird concern. You can heat it up to 350 if you wanted to.
https://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html


edit, nvrmnd I misunderstood. 165 is the minimum safe temp. that's why all the chicken tartare places went under. Freak

Reaching that temp in the innermost core can be quite a long term engagement too. I low temp bake my chickens at 100°C for 2 hours and then grill them, you'd be surprised what the result is, nearly heavenly soft, juicy, chicken with crunchy outside.

So you can easily do it right. Not tartar though. I think of the foods I would never do, raw fish and chicken tartar rank top. I don't eat any meat raw.
I thought by adding "all the fowl tartare places" went under that the satire would be firmly cemented. But to be on the safe side i googled it. Seems like the world has no shortage of idiots lining up for the darwin awards.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/09/08/chicken-tartare-eat-your-own-peril-11797


And if food poisoning is not bad enough, one of my buddies tells me that he had a customer / patient who ate chicken as only meat, nearly every second day for 21 years and the result? He was immune to *all* antibiotics.

Because of chicken? Well, the insurance thinks yes. Hospital literally refused to operate him because it would endanger staff and other patients if he got ANY infection (which would be untreatable).

Best thing? He hold me after coming over seeing me make the above mentioned 100°C 2 hour low temp bake chicken. Yeah... yummy ;/
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May 29, 2018, 10:32
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eRe4s3r wrote on May 28, 2018, 22:35:
RedEye9 wrote on May 28, 2018, 17:14:
jdreyer wrote on May 28, 2018, 14:41:
Blue wrote on May 28, 2018, 12:34:
1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.

I didn't time it, but it was until they got right around the proper 165 degrees. Probably double the time they'd take on the grill... I'm going to say 20 minutes or so?

If they never get up above 200, is that a safety concern?
Close to 200 is not a safety concern, just a dry bird concern. You can heat it up to 350 if you wanted to.
https://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html


edit, nvrmnd I misunderstood. 165 is the minimum safe temp. that's why all the chicken tartare places went under. Freak

Reaching that temp in the innermost core can be quite a long term engagement too. I low temp bake my chickens at 100°C for 2 hours and then grill them, you'd be surprised what the result is, nearly heavenly soft, juicy, chicken with crunchy outside.

So you can easily do it right. Not tartar though. I think of the foods I would never do, raw fish and chicken tartar rank top. I don't eat any meat raw.
I thought by adding "all the fowl tartare places" went under that the satire would be firmly cemented. But to be on the safe side i googled it. Seems like the world has no shortage of idiots lining up for the darwin awards.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/09/08/chicken-tartare-eat-your-own-peril-11797

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May 28, 2018, 22:35
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RedEye9 wrote on May 28, 2018, 17:14:
jdreyer wrote on May 28, 2018, 14:41:
Blue wrote on May 28, 2018, 12:34:
1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.

I didn't time it, but it was until they got right around the proper 165 degrees. Probably double the time they'd take on the grill... I'm going to say 20 minutes or so?

If they never get up above 200, is that a safety concern?
Close to 200 is not a safety concern, just a dry bird concern. You can heat it up to 350 if you wanted to.
https://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html


edit, nvrmnd I misunderstood. 165 is the minimum safe temp. that's why all the chicken tartare places went under. Freak

Reaching that temp in the innermost core can be quite a long term engagement too. I low temp bake my chickens at 100°C for 2 hours and then grill them, you'd be surprised what the result is, nearly heavenly soft, juicy, chicken with crunchy outside.

So you can easily do it right. Not tartar though. I think of the foods I would never do, raw fish and chicken tartar rank top. I don't eat any meat raw.
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May 28, 2018, 17:14
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May 28, 2018, 17:14
 
jdreyer wrote on May 28, 2018, 14:41:
Blue wrote on May 28, 2018, 12:34:
1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.

I didn't time it, but it was until they got right around the proper 165 degrees. Probably double the time they'd take on the grill... I'm going to say 20 minutes or so?

If they never get up above 200, is that a safety concern?
Close to 200 is not a safety concern, just a dry bird concern. You can heat it up to 350 if you wanted to.
https://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html


edit, nvrmnd I misunderstood. 165 is the minimum safe temp. that's why all the chicken tartare places went under. Freak
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Blue wrote on May 28, 2018, 12:34:
1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.

I didn't time it, but it was until they got right around the proper 165 degrees. Probably double the time they'd take on the grill... I'm going to say 20 minutes or so?

If they never get up above 200, is that a safety concern?
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1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.

I didn't time it, but it was until they got right around the proper 165 degrees. Probably double the time they'd take on the grill... I'm going to say 20 minutes or so?
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May 28, 2018, 10:58
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If your on the fence about seeing Solo this holiday weekend just go see it, you won't be disappointed. The actor they picked for the role was perfectly cast and believable in this origin story.
The movie itself ranks higher than Rogue One, The Phantom Menace, Return of the Jedi, and Attack of the Clones. Not that besting those stinkers means much but for a Star Wars story it melds in quite well.


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May 28, 2018, 09:53
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Disney should be doing other stuff with SW like Tales of the Bounty Hunters and the Thrawn trilogy. That stuff is way more interesting and fun.
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May 28, 2018, 09:24
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1badmf wrote on May 28, 2018, 04:48:
jdreyer wrote on May 28, 2018, 03:09:
RedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2018, 21:57:
Saw SOLO. Ron Howard could sell ice to Eskimos and they would order more. I liked it a lot better than The Last Jedi. B+

I recommend watching Legion if your in the mood for mild hallucinogens and they no longer fit your lifestyle. It's trippy.


Nothing against Ron Howard, but I really wanted to see the Lord and Miller version...

if you haven't seen it... don't. fuckin waste of time. the actor they got is nothing like harrison ford's classic masculine hero. more like a brown hair'd FnF paul walker copycat.

I'd guess that's why it's somewhat bombing. It's an iconic character whose story we've seen through. We didn't need more.

Prequels really work best with new characters. Star wars is a big enough world to tell new stories. Telling us what han was like as a 20something kills his mystique.
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Farewell Alan Bean. It saddens me to know that in a few years there won't be anyone still alive that has set foot on the moon.
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jdreyer wrote on May 28, 2018, 03:09:
RedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2018, 21:57:
Saw SOLO. Ron Howard could sell ice to Eskimos and they would order more. I liked it a lot better than The Last Jedi. B+

I recommend watching Legion if your in the mood for mild hallucinogens and they no longer fit your lifestyle. It's trippy.


Nothing against Ron Howard, but I really wanted to see the Lord and Miller version...

if you haven't seen it... don't. fuckin waste of time. the actor they got is nothing like harrison ford's classic masculine hero. more like a brown hair'd FnF paul walker copycat.
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RedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2018, 21:57:
Saw SOLO. Ron Howard could sell ice to Eskimos and they would order more. I liked it a lot better than The Last Jedi. B+

I recommend watching Legion if your in the mood for mild hallucinogens and they no longer fit your lifestyle. It's trippy.


Nothing against Ron Howard, but I really wanted to see the Lord and Miller version...
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Cockroach Milk More Protein And Nutrient Rich Than Regular Milk.

And regular milk already has too much protein in it for the human body. We're not calves that need to grow from 50kgto 600kg.....

Human breast milk is 1% protein, and that is enough protein to double our size in just a year.


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Saw SOLO. Ron Howard could sell ice to Eskimos and they would order more. I liked it a lot better than The Last Jedi. B+

I recommend watching Legion if your in the mood for mild hallucinogens and they no longer fit your lifestyle. It's trippy.

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1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.

Low and slow with chicken on the grill, otherwise you dry it out.
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May 27, 2018, 19:11
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1badmf wrote on May 27, 2018, 19:01:
chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.
Not if you poke it multiple times, slather it with a tomatoey bbq sauce and place directly over the hottest part of the grill (preferably exposed flame) for 1 hour.
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chicken is a difficult thing to grill perfectly. how long did you leave them on the warming rack for? i imagine a long time.
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