TheEmissary wrote on May 24, 2018, 19:11:

Osc8r wrote on May 24, 2018, 18:32:

theglaze wrote on May 24, 2018, 15:00:
TBH, if any FPS franchise could actually present a solid Battle Royale mode... it's this one!

Massive Maps and player count = A cornerstone of the franchise
Vehicles = Have your pick
Gun-play depth = Miles ahead of the other popular titles
Parachutes = Just pull the cord

Add in artillery barrages or gas attacks to simulate the safe zone, and they'd have the best Battle Royale mode on the market...

I guess we'll just have to settle for the normal BF experience: random public lobbies with ridiculously skilled team hogging the best vehicle (which no one can kill) and the endless cycle of spawn kiling.

Can't wait

Exactly. Once they get disappointing sales and see all the continued success in the BR market hopefully they will wake up and do something different to the same old tired formula they've used for the past 15 years or so.

Battlefield does need innovation for its gameplay modes but it doesn't need to follow the BR trend. There are so many ways they could go such as dynamically changing objectives and scenarios. In my mind its hard to rationalize the existence of a mode that eliminates the teamplay for RNG free for all.

Beamer wrote on May 24, 2018, 08:49:
I'm happy there isn't much griping about the characters here. I'm not surprised to see it elsewhere, but it's so weird to me.

In Battlefield games, the setting is just about the tools you have, and even then, loosely. Nothing is historically accurate, as you always have weapons not available at the time or the location, and they act differently. And, of course, you're a grunt running around on the ground as an infantryman one moment and the next dashing to the airport to take a plane and do whatever the hell you want with it.

If having a female teammate ruins your immersion, but none of that does, how? And why? The point of Battlefield games is killing a lot of people without being killed, not to be immersed.

DangerDog wrote on May 24, 2018, 02:18:
If using a wrench to repair a bridge is just like Fortnite then yeah the ability to build reinforcement structures and repair things is exactly like it.

nevermind that you could do that in BF1942.

Scottish Martial Arts wrote on May 24, 2018, 19:51:
While not a huge deal, the female character does rub me the wrong way. I played quite a bit of Battlefield I, and I genuinely liked that the Russians had female soldiers, that the Ottomans were a playable army, and that the Brits, French, and Germans had soldiers from their respective colonial possessions (such as India, Senegal, etc.). Here though, the robot armed English sniper lady is simply ahistorical in a way that makes suspension of disbelief a lot harder than the relative number of Senegalese that would spawn for the French Army or women that would spawn for Russia in BF1. The Brits actually subjected women to the draft during WWII, and were the only nation to do so to my knowledge, but British women service members never came close to serving in an infantry or army combat arms role; think radar operators and air traffic controllers, not snipers.

Had this been a Soviet sniper, or better yet a Sturmovik pilot, I'd be all for it, but as is this is just ahistorical and kinda dumb.

bigspender wrote on May 24, 2018, 18:16:

Cutter wrote on May 24, 2018, 09:09:

bigspender wrote on May 23, 2018, 22:50:
For sure, but I believe it has more to do with marketing the game to a wider audience than SJW pandering. It's a smart business move to make it appeal to more people.

Is it though? Most people have had enough of the PC bullshit. The silent majority is pissed off and not staying silent anymore. This is manifesting itself the world over. Look at most of the recent elections in Europe where it's all starting to go hard right. Even here after 15 years of Liberal misrule it looks like they're going to get crushed - and rightfully so - this June. I suppose we'll see.

It's just a different avatar in a game. I agree with the PC / SJW needs to die, but this isn't taking jobs away from qualified men in the real world or anything like that.

My buddy's wife is super excited that she can play as a female in the game. And that's one extra copy of the game they just sold. It's all business.

If it was an SJW thing 2 of the soldiers would be overweight, one would be wearing a burka lol ..... and if we see something like this in a DLC then i'll owe you an apology

theglaze wrote on May 24, 2018, 15:00:
TBH, if any FPS franchise could actually present a solid Battle Royale mode... it's this one!

Massive Maps and player count = A cornerstone of the franchise
Vehicles = Have your pick
Gun-play depth = Miles ahead of the other popular titles
Parachutes = Just pull the cord

Add in artillery barrages or gas attacks to simulate the safe zone, and they'd have the best Battle Royale mode on the market...

I guess we'll just have to settle for the normal BF experience: random public lobbies with ridiculously skilled team hogging the best vehicle (which no one can kill) and the endless cycle of spawn kiling.

Can't wait

Osc8r wrote on May 24, 2018, 18:32:

theglaze wrote on May 24, 2018, 15:00:
TBH, if any FPS franchise could actually present a solid Battle Royale mode... it's this one!

Massive Maps and player count = A cornerstone of the franchise
Vehicles = Have your pick
Gun-play depth = Miles ahead of the other popular titles
Parachutes = Just pull the cord

Add in artillery barrages or gas attacks to simulate the safe zone, and they'd have the best Battle Royale mode on the market...

I guess we'll just have to settle for the normal BF experience: random public lobbies with ridiculously skilled team hogging the best vehicle (which no one can kill) and the endless cycle of spawn kiling.

Can't wait

Exactly. Once they get disappointing sales and see all the continued success in the BR market hopefully they will wake up and do something different to the same old tired formula they've used for the past 15 years or so.

theglaze wrote on May 24, 2018, 15:00:
TBH, if any FPS franchise could actually present a solid Battle Royale mode... it's this one!

Massive Maps and player count = A cornerstone of the franchise
Vehicles = Have your pick
Gun-play depth = Miles ahead of the other popular titles
Parachutes = Just pull the cord

Add in artillery barrages or gas attacks to simulate the safe zone, and they'd have the best Battle Royale mode on the market...

I guess we'll just have to settle for the normal BF experience: random public lobbies with ridiculously skilled team hogging the best vehicle (which no one can kill) and the endless cycle of spawn kiling.

Can't wait

Cutter wrote on May 24, 2018, 09:09:

bigspender wrote on May 23, 2018, 22:50:
For sure, but I believe it has more to do with marketing the game to a wider audience than SJW pandering. It's a smart business move to make it appeal to more people.

Is it though? Most people have had enough of the PC bullshit. The silent majority is pissed off and not staying silent anymore. This is manifesting itself the world over. Look at most of the recent elections in Europe where it's all starting to go hard right. Even here after 15 years of Liberal misrule it looks like they're going to get crushed - and rightfully so - this June. I suppose we'll see.

Beamer wrote on May 24, 2018, 15:03:

DangerDog wrote on May 24, 2018, 14:45:

jdreyer wrote on May 24, 2018, 13:10:

Task wrote on May 24, 2018, 12:14:

Cutter wrote on May 24, 2018, 09:09:

bigspender wrote on May 23, 2018, 22:50:
For sure, but I believe it has more to do with marketing the game to a wider audience than SJW pandering. It's a smart business move to make it appeal to more people.

Is it though? Most people have had enough of the PC bullshit. The silent majority is pissed off and not staying silent anymore. This is manifesting itself the world over. Look at most of the recent elections in Europe where it's all starting to go hard right. Even here after 15 years of Liberal misrule it looks like they're going to get crushed - and rightfully so - this June. I suppose we'll see.

Oh come on Cutter... How in the hell is this "PC". It's a Battlefield game. Would it be less "PC" for a woman soldier to be in a "modern" shooty-shooty game?

There are more 'historical' WW2 games anyways:

Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad
Rising Storm
Hell Let Loose
Post Scriptum

The other thing is that women fighting in WW2 isn't even historically inaccurate. Here's a bunch of Soviet women. Check out the scope on her Mosin M1891. And here's a French partisan, dressed to the nines and wielding a Schmeisser MP40.

And having them in the game wouldn't upset anyone if the goal was to create a historically accurate WWII game, which is essentially where all this backlash is originating. On one hand DICE is trying to say this is a WWII game but on the other they've inserted a bunch of characters that look like they'd fit in with something like Dishonored 2 or God's of War.

It's the realistic graphics that are trapping them up. If they went with a 'toon' look then the fantasy part would be front and center, but then the comparison to fortnite would be even higher - despite Battlefield Heroes doing it first.

I think I can see this argument, though we've seen so little. Uncanny Valley of Realism. Wolfenstein is over the top enough to not be an issue, original Wolfestein such poor graphics it wasn't an issue, but this is close to realistic so that the unrealistic stuff stands out.

I'd wager that it feels more fully baked in a larger reveal.

DangerDog wrote on May 24, 2018, 14:45:

jdreyer wrote on May 24, 2018, 13:10:

Task wrote on May 24, 2018, 12:14:

Cutter wrote on May 24, 2018, 09:09:

bigspender wrote on May 23, 2018, 22:50:
For sure, but I believe it has more to do with marketing the game to a wider audience than SJW pandering. It's a smart business move to make it appeal to more people.

Is it though? Most people have had enough of the PC bullshit. The silent majority is pissed off and not staying silent anymore. This is manifesting itself the world over. Look at most of the recent elections in Europe where it's all starting to go hard right. Even here after 15 years of Liberal misrule it looks like they're going to get crushed - and rightfully so - this June. I suppose we'll see.

Oh come on Cutter... How in the hell is this "PC". It's a Battlefield game. Would it be less "PC" for a woman soldier to be in a "modern" shooty-shooty game?

There are more 'historical' WW2 games anyways:

Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad
Rising Storm
Hell Let Loose
Post Scriptum

The other thing is that women fighting in WW2 isn't even historically inaccurate. Here's a bunch of Soviet women. Check out the scope on her Mosin M1891. And here's a French partisan, dressed to the nines and wielding a Schmeisser MP40.

And having them in the game wouldn't upset anyone if the goal was to create a historically accurate WWII game, which is essentially where all this backlash is originating. On one hand DICE is trying to say this is a WWII game but on the other they've inserted a bunch of characters that look like they'd fit in with something like Dishonored 2 or God's of War.

It's the realistic graphics that are trapping them up. If they went with a 'toon' look then the fantasy part would be front and center, but then the comparison to fortnite would be even higher - despite Battlefield Heroes doing it first.

jdreyer wrote on May 24, 2018, 13:10:

Task wrote on May 24, 2018, 12:14:

Cutter wrote on May 24, 2018, 09:09:

bigspender wrote on May 23, 2018, 22:50:
For sure, but I believe it has more to do with marketing the game to a wider audience than SJW pandering. It's a smart business move to make it appeal to more people.

Is it though? Most people have had enough of the PC bullshit. The silent majority is pissed off and not staying silent anymore. This is manifesting itself the world over. Look at most of the recent elections in Europe where it's all starting to go hard right. Even here after 15 years of Liberal misrule it looks like they're going to get crushed - and rightfully so - this June. I suppose we'll see.

Oh come on Cutter... How in the hell is this "PC". It's a Battlefield game. Would it be less "PC" for a woman soldier to be in a "modern" shooty-shooty game?

There are more 'historical' WW2 games anyways:

Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad
Rising Storm
Hell Let Loose
Post Scriptum

The other thing is that women fighting in WW2 isn't even historically inaccurate. Here's a bunch of Soviet women. Check out the scope on her Mosin M1891. And here's a French partisan, dressed to the nines and wielding a Schmeisser MP40.

HorrorScope wrote on May 24, 2018, 13:53:

Sepharo wrote on May 24, 2018, 09:28:
I find it very surreal that the right is now home to sensitive babies and outrage.
So much crying over so little. What a bizarre thing to be upset about.

This.

Sepharo wrote on May 24, 2018, 09:28:
I find it very surreal that the right is now home to sensitive babies and outrage.
So much crying over so little. What a bizarre thing to be upset about.

Cutter wrote on May 24, 2018, 09:09:
Is it though? Most people have had enough of the PC bullshit. The silent majority is pissed off and not staying silent anymore.

Cutter wrote on May 23, 2018, 22:43:
No one ever said it had to be an authentic WW2 simulator but this SJW pandering is fucking irritating in all aspects of life. Classic liberal revisionism.

Task wrote on May 24, 2018, 12:14:

Cutter wrote on May 24, 2018, 09:09:

bigspender wrote on May 23, 2018, 22:50:
For sure, but I believe it has more to do with marketing the game to a wider audience than SJW pandering. It's a smart business move to make it appeal to more people.

Is it though? Most people have had enough of the PC bullshit. The silent majority is pissed off and not staying silent anymore. This is manifesting itself the world over. Look at most of the recent elections in Europe where it's all starting to go hard right. Even here after 15 years of Liberal misrule it looks like they're going to get crushed - and rightfully so - this June. I suppose we'll see.

Oh come on Cutter... How in the hell is this "PC". It's a Battlefield game. Would it be less "PC" for a woman soldier to be in a "modern" shooty-shooty game?

There are more 'historical' WW2 games anyways:

Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad
Rising Storm
Hell Let Loose
Post Scriptum