Left and right are so relative that the terms don't mean anything outside any one nation.
China is "Communist" - Considered "Left" leaning - and has no working social safety net (wealthier cities have their own systems), and has turn-of-the-century-us style robber baron capitalist economy with little worker protection.
Russia was "Communist" - Considered "Left" leaning - and had a strong social safety net, with guaranteed jobs, guaranteed good wages, unfireable workers, and no concern for individual worker performance. (Sounds nothing like China, right?)
US is "Capitalist" - Considered "Right" leaning - has a nation wide social safety net, and has worker rights laws, etc.
Labels just don't mean anything outside of their own local context.
Any political ism, be it Fascism or Communism or whatever, are different in concept than they are in application.
In application, German/Italian Fascism is a cult of leadership, with a government that tightly partners with industry leadership (and the church).
In application, Russian Communism is universal government employment, with a goal of distributed committee leadership ... but with the 'temporary, just until we finish reorganizing' organizational hierarchy becoming 'permanent'.
Regarding the article, my pet peeve about Russia and the media :
Russia is not as bad as the TV says they are.
Let's list some crap from TV :
- Crying about Russia trying to influence our elections (even though it's U.S. standard practice to influence elections around the world) (Aside... 'Russian political advertising: Destroying democracy!' 'Clinton and DNC Rigging primaries: Oh whatever!' Feels like some twilight zone shit.)
- Placing missiles near Russia's border, pretending they are to protect Europe from Iran, even though they are on the far side of Europe from Iran. (Might as well call Russia retarded to their face)
- Crying about Russia helping Ossetia gain independence from Georgia (even though we demanded Russia give Georgia independence. Ignoring the Georgian massacres of 2000 unarmed (and army-less) Ossetian civilians per day).
- Crying about Russia nuclear bomber patrols resuming (even though we never ended our own nuclear bomber patrols)
- Crying about Russian laws banning gay content in the media (even though we support the new Ukraine coup govt with 2 major parties, one of which is a neo nazi group ("Right Sector") with a mission statement of exterminating gays and ethnic purity) (Lol - _Actual_ fascists running EU approved Ukraine. With the Mussolini style arm bands and the color scheme and everything.)
- Crying about Russia helping Crimea vote for independence, and helping the Donetsk region. While being quiet about a lot of factors from BEFORE Russian intervention :
*Ukraine government made using the Russian language illegal (for a time, until people revolted), criminalizing a large part of the country where roads/names/schools/business/etc were all in Russian.
*Ukraine was crawling with nationalist gangs that were attacking ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens, and the Ukraine government was OK with it.
The kernel of the problems in Ukraine is this : Part of the country identifies with Europe, part of the country identifies with Russia, and part self identifies but hates Russia more than they dislike Europe.
The borders are made up, and don't take into account which areas are which identity. (eg. Crimea was Russia since 1779, when the Mongol empire fell - till the 1950's. People living there were either born Russian, or are kids of people who were.)
The people that identify as Ukrainian, don't care about what the ethnic Russian areas want.
The people that identify as Russian, don't care about what the ethnic Ukrainian areas want.
When the Government got along too well with Russia, and made more economic ties to the east and walked away from the EU, the ethnic Ukrainians got mad at ethnic Russians for having influence in Ukraine (even though they are Ukr citizens, too). 'Ukraine for Ukrainians Goddamit'.
Pressure swung the other way. The government caved to nationalist pressure, and started to shit on ethnic Russians. So ethnic Russians got mad at ethnic Ukrainians for persecuting them.
When all is said and done, the results (Ukraine partition) are the best they could be. Ethnic Ukrainians and ethnic Russians each get to live how they want. The people of each region get to run their own affairs without having to be subjects of the other region. In essence Democracy. Any sort of unity would just lead to one group getting screwed by the other, because they want different things.
- Even farther back in Afghanistan, Crying about Russian intervention, even though the Afghan government asked Russia to come in and help stop the Islamic revolution. And the eventual coup only happened after Islamists had infiltrated the Afghan government (assassinations, feeding Islamic forces intelligence, etc).
Russia does what it does for reasons.
If someone punched you, and you punched them back, and the only thing people ever talked about was your response, you would look like a dick, too.
Russia trying to help a candidate that is *GASP* willing to get along with them, is completely reasonable. You would expect as much from any nation.
We certainly do similar election influencing world wide, so what's the fuss about?
It's just how the game is played.
I understand that a lot of people don't like Trump, and are willing to conflate 'getting along with Russia' with anti-American activity... but that's really a stretch.
Forming trade relations, restoring adoptions, is not anti-American. It helps everyone.
Spinning his potential-depending-on-interpretation campaign finance violations into something more is no less a stretch.
That is after all the gist of the Russian investigation :
- Law bans getting money from foreign entities.
- If he got info from Russia, then that info is worth something, so it's like getting money from Russia.
- So, if they can show useful Russian info, they can assign a dollar value to the info, and say that amount was badly financed.
Same with Stormy. If you can argue that her (legally purchased) silence has a positive effect on the campaign, then the money should have been logged as campaign spending.
You can nit pick any campaign and bury them under the weight of assigning money the wrong color.
People love to call him a racist for restricting immigration.
But would you like to give up your tech job to an H1B?
How about your blue collar job to a low skill immigrant?
Everyone that shows up willing to do your job for less, is a risk to your livelihood.
A lot of people are poor and in low demand. Median _individual_ income is around 26k/yr. Half the country makes less.
If you are on the low end, immigration is scary. Doesn't matter where the immigrants come from. You can look to the past for proof (Italians, Irish, etc. Each wave took jobs, and was vilified at the time)
At some point, folks need to understand that people need to eat. Dismissing their economic fears as racism just kicks the problem down the road, and one day you end up surprised with shit like Brexit.
I feel like people are too busy hating on the guy to zoom out and consider things with wider perspective. When I pay attention to Democrat leaning media, it feels like a bizzaro world echo chamber - it's like what Republican leaning media used to sound like some years ago.
The bizzaro just flipped.
Then when you look at popular social movements on the left in recent years, it's icing on the fruit cake.
( Protests like this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLRBodKsgTA
and this great piece by Bill Maher : https://videosift.com/video/New-Rule-Stop-Apologizing
Also, I didn't vote for Trump. Or Hillary. Because I think they are both shit candidates.
Trump is a man child and I can't trust him to think things through, and Hillary is so hawkish that I can't trust her not to take stupid risks.
I would have voted Bernie. Because why not. Try something new for a change.
The guy seemed very mild on a per-issue basis. Pro public healthcare, not an anti-gunner, etc. A decent straddler.
-scheherazadeThis comment was edited on May 23, 2018, 13:37.