Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties [Apr 27, 2018, 12:39 pm ET] – Share – Viewing Comments
A post on
Massively Overpowered explores the fascinating situation surrounding
developer and publisher Daybreak Games, which was formerly Sony Online
Entertainment before being sold off. They note that the company that bought SOE
back in 2015 was identified as Columbus Nova,
as reported here at the time.
Columbus Nova is apparently owned by Viktor Vekselberg, one of the Russian
oligarchs whose assets were frozen by the
U.S. Department of the Treasury for
destabilizing activities, including possible interference in U.S. elections.
Daybreak issued a statement to the site saying that this is fake news, claiming
Columbus Nova is not actually their owner, asking us to believe their own press
releases saying this was the case were in error. They claim the actual purchaser
was Jason Epstein, a former senior managing partner of Columbus Nova. This seems
like a stretch, and MassiveOP notes some
Wikipedia shenanigans to try and scrub the company's history. The latest
twist comes as
VG247 reports layoffs at Daybreak, which the company has confirmed, calling
them "workforce realigning." Workforces get realigned in this business all the
time, but the layoffs also make sense in light of the theory that Daybreak's
real owner has had his U.S. assets frozen. It bears noting that Columbus Nova
was also named as the purchaser of Rock Band developer Harmonix
back in 2010.
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
May 1, 2018, 17:23
May 1, 2018, 17:23
I play on the Project1999 servers pretty regularly and the forums and the Discord have been abuzz about how this might affect our community. The P99 devs have an agreement with Daybreak to do their thing without hassle, but should Daybreak be sold to new owners, that agreement may get torn up and the server could be shut down. I don't know precisely what compels me to play a pixelicious MMO from the last century, but compelled I am, and I'd hate to not be able to play any longer...
Agent.X7 wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 12:15:
Incorrect. 11,208 homicides. Classifying suicides as violence is a way to bump up the number so "gun violence" sounds scary, the same with accidental deaths. If I fall off a ladder and die is that "ladder violence?" If I overdose on sleeping pills to kill myself is that "drug violence?"
And it's not so we can play pew pew. It's so we can defend ourselves and our loved ones. You know, because society loves to lift up violent criminals to celebrity status and support the culture of violence surrounding them. Yes, let's forget Jay-Z was a violent criminal because he married Beyonce.
Look, I've read enough of your posts over the years to know you're a good guy. I'm absolutely not picking on you, or the fact that you take advantage of our laws to own guns. That being said:
1. Many, many other countries achieve higher levels of safety than the US while restricting gun ownership. A gun in the home doesn't increase safety, or the US would be the safest country on earth.
2. I never said homicides. There are deaths from accidents, suicides, police shootings, etc. Perhaps (debatable) accidents don't count as violence, but suicides certainly do. And police shootings are violent, but aren't including in the homicide numbers, that's 1000+ per year in the USA. Countries that restrict guns simply don't have tens of thousands or even thousands of deaths, regardless of cause.
3. Having a gun in the home increases your chance of being killed in a homicide. You'd be safer without them, statistically:
After they controlled for a number of potentially confounding factors, the presence of a gun in the home was associated with a nearly fivefold risk of suicide (adjusted odds ratio = 4.8) (13) and an almost threefold risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio = 2.7) (14).
5x increase risk of suicide is pretty scary.
RIP RedEye9. We miss you.
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
Apr 29, 2018, 11:53
Apr 29, 2018, 11:53
NKD wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 23:40:
Why do people with guns in their homes commit suicide more often than people without? Why are people with guns in their homes more likely to die of gun violence? Doesn't sound like they do a very good job of protecting people on average.
Yep, these are counters I use often. Domestic violence is the #1 violent crime police offices report on in the country. Everyone thinks it won't be them, but for every person that thinks someone is going to invade their home and do bad things to them, there is many many more times domestic violence cases. In more cases the problem is in the mirror. This is always ignored the same as eye witness accounts to gun tragedies, we've seen ardent gun advocates totally change their stance when put in the middle of gun violence, the rest of our self-centered selves can't learn a lesson from others it seems or at the very least not even ponder such things.
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
Apr 29, 2018, 11:48
Apr 29, 2018, 11:48
Kxmode wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 14:54:
Are you guys still being political on a video game news site? It's very unbecoming. All of you should stop. Let's talk about things that matter like how fast Radical Heights fell off people's radar and is below Maple Story on Twitch, and why World of Warcraft is #4 on Twitch.
Yes, I'll do the fuck I want to until Blue's contacts me. We've always talked politics here and in general we don't have forum meltdowns like many other places do. This is definitely a political topic as well, unless you can't make the conenction on what is being said.
NKD wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 23:40:BingoAgent.X7 wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 12:15:
Incorrect. 11,208 homicides. Classifying suicides as violence is a way to bump up the number so "gun violence" sounds scary, the same with accidental deaths. If I fall off a ladder and die is that "ladder violence?" If I overdose on sleeping pills to kill myself is that "drug violence?"
And it's not so we can play pew pew. It's so we can defend ourselves and our loved ones.
Why do people with guns in their homes commit suicide more often than people without? Why are people with guns in their homes more likely to die of gun violence? Doesn't sound like they do a very good job of protecting people on average.
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
Apr 29, 2018, 02:33
Apr 29, 2018, 02:33
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
Apr 29, 2018, 02:33
Apr 29, 2018, 02:33
NKD wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 23:40:Agent.X7 wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 12:15:
Incorrect. 11,208 homicides. Classifying suicides as violence is a way to bump up the number so "gun violence" sounds scary, the same with accidental deaths. If I fall off a ladder and die is that "ladder violence?" If I overdose on sleeping pills to kill myself is that "drug violence?"
And it's not so we can play pew pew. It's so we can defend ourselves and our loved ones.
Why do people with guns in their homes commit suicide more often than people without? Why are people with guns in their homes more likely to die of gun violence? Doesn't sound like they do a very good job of protecting people on average.
Why do you keep asking questions to make a point? Have you actually read any research on this or are you just parroting talking points from anti-gun activists? You probably want to link to a (somewhat) legitimate primary source for you information if you want to be taken seriously.
Agent.X7 wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 12:15:
Incorrect. 11,208 homicides. Classifying suicides as violence is a way to bump up the number so "gun violence" sounds scary, the same with accidental deaths. If I fall off a ladder and die is that "ladder violence?" If I overdose on sleeping pills to kill myself is that "drug violence?"
And it's not so we can play pew pew. It's so we can defend ourselves and our loved ones.
Why do people with guns in their homes commit suicide more often than people without? Why are people with guns in their homes more likely to die of gun violence? Doesn't sound like they do a very good job of protecting people on average.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
Kxmode wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 14:54:Wait, Maple Story servers are still active?HorrorScope wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 11:55:Timmeh wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 14:22:
The entire Russian thing is complete and utter BULLSHIT.
How can you trust a liar? We have Trump caught in lies over and over, but somehow you can look past them and trust him on this one. I bet if there were people close to you that lied to you 1/10th he has, you'd disown them. So why the double standard? Imo you have put your vision of how the world should work into Trump, it's a false hope.
As for Hillary etc, who's she? She running something? She lost, she's not the topic. Do both sides have bad people? Yes. Does that mean we allow illegal activities to go on and give up? What do they call what you are doing? Gaslighing? If you disagree with almost all of what I wrote, then my theory that we all live and move within different dimensions constantly is checking out. I'm still having a hard time figuring how 1/2 the US hears one thing and the other 1/2 the complete opposite and both think they are for Avg Joe, freedom and justice.
Are you guys still being political on a video game news site? It's very unbecoming. All of you should stop. Let's talk about things that matter like how fast Radical Heights fell off people's radar and is below Maple Story on Twitch, and why World of Warcraft is #4 on Twitch.
RIP RedEye9. We miss you.
HorrorScope wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 11:55:Timmeh wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 14:22:
The entire Russian thing is complete and utter BULLSHIT.
How can you trust a liar? We have Trump caught in lies over and over, but somehow you can look past them and trust him on this one. I bet if there were people close to you that lied to you 1/10th he has, you'd disown them. So why the double standard? Imo you have put your vision of how the world should work into Trump, it's a false hope.
As for Hillary etc, who's she? She running something? She lost, she's not the topic. Do both sides have bad people? Yes. Does that mean we allow illegal activities to go on and give up? What do they call what you are doing? Gaslighing? If you disagree with almost all of what I wrote, then my theory that we all live and move within different dimensions constantly is checking out. I'm still having a hard time figuring how 1/2 the US hears one thing and the other 1/2 the complete opposite and both think they are for Avg Joe, freedom and justice.
Are you guys still being political on a video game news site? It's very unbecoming. All of you should stop. Let's talk about things that matter like how fast Radical Heights fell off people's radar and is below Maple Story on Twitch, and why World of Warcraft is #4 on Twitch.
The most exercise some people get is jumping to conclusions.
jdreyer wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 21:07:JoeCool wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 18:18:jdreyer wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 18:00:Timmeh wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 14:22:
Leftists are totally Ok with the likes of George Soros pumping millions and millions into influencing elections and policy in the USA and the rest of the world but if they can lie cheat and steal to pin some made up bullshit on the Russians its the end of the world.
Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Huntsman, etc. are billionaires that pour money into conservative PACs at twice the rate of liberal billionaires like Soros. Conservatives have the rich man money edge.Our government is overrun with commie leftist bastards who will do anything to destroy america as we know it.All branches of the federal government are currently controlled by the Republicans. In addition, Republicans control 33 state governorships and 26 state legislatures compared to 15 governorships and 6 state legislatures for Dems. So you're saying Republicans are Commies leftist bastards?by the way.... The clinton foundation took 145 million from Russian businessmen, banks and company to sell out america. Thats just one example of hundreds of pay to play cases that are ignored by the leftist SCUM in the deep state of our government.You do realize the Clinton foundation gets billions of dollars a year, and $145M is a piddly amount right? Also, you realize that the Clintons themselves don't get this money, their charitable foundation does, right? Unlike Trump, who got money directly from the Russians. You remember the Russians, right? The original Communists and our arch enemy: you remember, right?If you leftists were actually decent people you would care about ALL of this.You do realize that the Dems are the party trying to improve people's lives, right: healthcare, gun control, consumer and financial protection, good jobs, etc. All these things improve under Dem administrations and decline under Republican ones.
Gun control is not improvining peoples lives, it's taking away rights. Every American has and can get healthcare, Why we worry about the 10% too lazy or stupid to get health insurance is beyond me.
Good think we have trump who's given us the best economy in decades, GPD growth has increased since the last two years of Obama.
Gun violence in the US each year kills 35,000, wounds 75,000, and costs $229 BILLION. Just so you can go play pew-pew at the range. Fuck you.
Incorrect. 11,208 homicides. Classifying suicides as violence is a way to bump up the number so "gun violence" sounds scary, the same with accidental deaths. If I fall off a ladder and die is that "ladder violence?" If I overdose on sleeping pills to kill myself is that "drug violence?"
And it's not so we can play pew pew. It's so we can defend ourselves and our loved ones. You know, because society loves to lift up violent criminals to celebrity status and support the culture of violence surrounding them. Yes, let's forget Jay-Z was a violent criminal because he married Beyonce.
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
Apr 28, 2018, 11:55
Apr 28, 2018, 11:55
Timmeh wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 14:22:
The entire Russian thing is complete and utter BULLSHIT.
How can you trust a liar? We have Trump caught in lies over and over, but somehow you can look past them and trust him on this one. I bet if there were people close to you that lied to you 1/10th he has, you'd disown them. So why the double standard? Imo you have put your vision of how the world should work into Trump, it's a false hope.
As for Hillary etc, who's she? She running something? She lost, she's not the topic. Do both sides have bad people? Yes. Does that mean we allow illegal activities to go on and give up? What do they call what you are doing? Gaslighing? If you disagree with almost all of what I wrote, then my theory that we all live and move within different dimensions constantly is checking out. I'm still having a hard time figuring how 1/2 the US hears one thing and the other 1/2 the complete opposite and both think they are for Avg Joe, freedom and justice.
Ozmodan wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 09:26:One has nothing to do with the other.
Let's keep the topic to games. Kind of funny people on this thread railing about guns, yet you most probably play a bunch of FPS shooters.
Kind of
jdreyer wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 02:30:Kxmode wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 23:10:
This forum is on the verge of invoking Godwin's law.
I think you just invoked it!
It only gets invoked if someone says his name or the organization he led. So technically, I haven't invoked it!
The most exercise some people get is jumping to conclusions.
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
Apr 28, 2018, 09:58
Apr 28, 2018, 09:58
I'm sad about this Everquest 2 was one of my favorite games of all times. It's sad that we will not be seeing a sequel.
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Wow, way to get off topic everyone!
Let's keep the topic to games. Kind of funny people on this thread railing about guns, yet you most probably play a bunch of FPS shooters.
As to this thread, the important fact here is funds have dried up for Daybreak, which is why all the layoffs and who knows what the feds will do with Daybreak after June 5. Going to be interesting.
Let's keep the topic to games. Kind of funny people on this thread railing about guns, yet you most probably play a bunch of FPS shooters.
As to this thread, the important fact here is funds have dried up for Daybreak, which is why all the layoffs and who knows what the feds will do with Daybreak after June 5. Going to be interesting.
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
Apr 28, 2018, 03:04
Apr 28, 2018, 03:04
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Apr 28, 2018, 03:04
Apr 28, 2018, 03:04
NKD wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 02:21:TheVocalMinority wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 01:22:jdreyer wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 21:07:
Gun violence in the US each year kills 35,000, wounds 75,000, and costs $229 BILLION. Just so you can go play pew-pew at the range. Fuck you.
Sorry classic misuse of statistics for political purposes.
As opposed to classic disregard of statistics for political purposes?
Adding a firearm to just about any setting or situation increases the likelihood of someone being injured or killed. It stands to reason that the increased likelihood means increased costs, both in money, and human lives.
So you concede that the originally linked article was bunk? For the assertion to be true every act of violence would have to be caused by a firearm (gun).
What statistics have been disregarded? You have only made an unsubstantiated assertion which is so broad as to certainly be wrong.
Kxmode wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 23:10:
This forum is on the verge of invoking Godwin's law.
I think you just invoked it!
RIP RedEye9. We miss you.
TheVocalMinority wrote on Apr 28, 2018, 01:22:jdreyer wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 21:07:
Gun violence in the US each year kills 35,000, wounds 75,000, and costs $229 BILLION. Just so you can go play pew-pew at the range. Fuck you.
Sorry classic misuse of statistics for political purposes.
As opposed to classic disregard of statistics for political purposes?
Adding a firearm to just about any setting or situation increases the likelihood of someone being injured or killed. It stands to reason that the increased likelihood means increased costs, both in money, and human lives.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
Apr 28, 2018, 01:22
Apr 28, 2018, 01:22
Re: Daybreak Layoffs Amid Questions About Russian Oligarch Ties
Apr 28, 2018, 01:22
Apr 28, 2018, 01:22
jdreyer wrote on Apr 27, 2018, 21:07:
Gun violence in the US each year kills 35,000, wounds 75,000, and costs $229 BILLION. Just so you can go play pew-pew at the range. Fuck you.
Sorry classic misuse of statistics for political purposes. This analyses (or at least interpretation) assumes it is the gun that causes the violence which is absurd. You might claim that the use of a gun makes the violence more costly but that is not supported by information presented in the article.
This forum is on the verge of invoking Godwin's law.
The most exercise some people get is jumping to conclusions.
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