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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2018, 11:18
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2018, 11:18
Apr 20, 2018, 11:18
 
"Now for the last time, will you all please shift to IPv6?!"

The answer is no, and sod off
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2018, 14:46
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2018, 14:46
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All I can say is I am SO FREAKING glad I managed to retire from the world of computer networking before having to deal with IPv6 in any significant way. When I was working actively in that field I was using ip addresses in most of the things I did. Having to do what I did with IPv6 address instead, would have sucked serious donkey dicks.

That said, there is no real reason for it to be a problem. If the proper tools are built, IPv6 could be easier than IPv4. I simply never had, and still lack the belief those tools will be built any time soon. And it is likely they won't get built until after a switch is forced.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2018, 15:06
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2018, 15:06
Apr 20, 2018, 15:06
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Apr 20, 2018, 11:18:
"Now for the last time, will you all please shift to IPv6?!"

The answer is no, and sod off
You can switch now or you can switch later. But if you switch later it's going to hurt all the more.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2018, 15:30
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2018, 15:30
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ViRGE wrote on Apr 20, 2018, 15:06:
You can switch now or you can switch later. But if you switch later it's going to hurt all the more.
Okay, I'll bite. Why will it hurt more if I wait? I actually don't really care at this point. My router is IPv6 capable but I have no pressing reason to switch. And frankly, I'd be shocked if Comcast supported it.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2018, 15:47
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2018, 15:47
Apr 20, 2018, 15:47
 
ViRGE wrote on Apr 20, 2018, 15:06:
eRe4s3r wrote on Apr 20, 2018, 11:18:
"Now for the last time, will you all please shift to IPv6?!"

The answer is no, and sod off
You can switch now or you can switch later. But if you switch later it's going to hurt all the more.

That's the problem. It won't hurt nearly enough NOT to do it so this shift gets and retains zero momentum. Yeah most big sites and ISP's DNS already support IPv6, but they don't assign you IPv6 unless you specifically enable it manually. And guess how many people do that.

Dual stack use is what IPv6 adoption is quite honestly a shitshow of epic proportions, and part of it is that I like my LAN IP'S in IPv4 because they make sense this way, and if you had 21 network devices with internal IPs then you'd not change to IPv6 either. It would be utterly confusing
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2018, 18:32
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2018, 18:32
Apr 20, 2018, 18:32
 
The thing about the IPv4 address block problem is that people don't see what the problem is. Oh, there are no more new addresses? Okay. So there won't be any more NEW websites? Huh.

*goes to Facebook*

I mean, it'd be one thing if we said "IPv4 is going to crash in three months and nothing will work on the Internet." That'd get people moving.

But no new websites, and other assorted shit? But we do get to keep our current allotment of devices and websites? Okay, whatever.

In the end, the ISPs are to blame for this. They need to just fucking FORCE this shit.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2018, 18:40
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Creston wrote on Apr 20, 2018, 18:32:
The thing about the IPv4 address block problem is that people don't see what the problem is. Oh, there are no more new addresses? Okay. So there won't be any more NEW websites? Huh.

*goes to Facebook*

I mean, it'd be one thing if we said "IPv4 is going to crash in three months and nothing will work on the Internet." That'd get people moving.

But no new websites, and other assorted shit? But we do get to keep our current allotment of devices and websites? Okay, whatever.

In the end, the ISPs are to blame for this. They need to just fucking FORCE this shit.

You can't force this shit though. Priority in protocol choice is IPv4 and then IPv6 and then IPv6-Toledo. IPv4 can literally never not be supported. You'd break billions of devices over night.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 20, 2018, 21:40
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 20, 2018, 21:40
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Oh, additionally FWIW (possibly not much) -- I have an acquaintance who owns/runs a medium to large privately owned ISP in the Chicago area. And his personal spin on this topic is the "lack of IPv4 addresses" is unlikely to ever be an issue. There are so many chunks that people are squatting on, and so many devices being assigned real IPv4 that don't need them.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Apr 21, 2018, 11:24
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Apr 21, 2018, 11:24
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 20, 2018, 21:40:
Oh, additionally FWIW (possibly not much) -- I have an acquaintance who owns/runs a medium to large privately owned ISP in the Chicago area. And his personal spin on this topic is the "lack of IPv4 addresses" is unlikely to ever be an issue. There are so many chunks that people are squatting on, and so many devices being assigned real IPv4 that don't need them.

There are a number of hacks in the works at isps to alleviate this issue somewhat, like "Carrier Grade NAT", which my ISP recently started using.

This is a direct negative consequence of not switching to ipv6 sooner, as carrier grade NAT is prohibitive in a number of different ways. The way carrier grade NAT works, it could switch your IP address multiple times a day, and break simple things like port forwarding. This conflicts with running a home/remote server as well.

I had to call and discuss issues I was having with my internet with my ISP to find out they had switched to this recently, and it was the source of the issues I was having. They switched me back to standard upon request, but they ask for a reason when you do this. I simply told them I stream media from my home computer to my portable tablets/devices and needed proper NAT for this to work properly. No problems since.

I looked in to it, and many carriers across the country are switching over to patchwork solutions like this, and this is indeed a cause for concern with the limited abilities of solutions like "Carrier Grade NAT".
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Apr 21, 2018, 11:48
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Apr 21, 2018, 11:48
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Mordecai Walfish wrote on Apr 21, 2018, 11:24:
Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 20, 2018, 21:40:
Oh, additionally FWIW (possibly not much) -- I have an acquaintance who owns/runs a medium to large privately owned ISP in the Chicago area. And his personal spin on this topic is the "lack of IPv4 addresses" is unlikely to ever be an issue. There are so many chunks that people are squatting on, and so many devices being assigned real IPv4 that don't need them.

There are a number of hacks in the works at isps to alleviate this issue somewhat, like "Carrier Grade NAT", which my ISP recently started using.

This is a direct negative consequence of not switching to ipv6 sooner, as carrier grade NAT is prohibitive in a number of different ways. The way carrier grade NAT works, it could switch your IP address multiple times a day, and break simple things like port forwarding. This conflicts with running a home/remote server as well.

I had to call and discuss issues I was having with my internet with my ISP to find out they had switched to this recently, and it was the source of the issues I was having. They switched me back to standard upon request, but they ask for a reason when you do this. I simply told them I stream media from my home computer to my portable tablets/devices and needed proper NAT for this to work properly. No problems since.

I looked in to it, and many carriers across the country are switching over to patchwork solutions like this, and this is indeed a cause for concern with the limited abilities of solutions like "Carrier Grade NAT".
As more people go online and more iots devices get into consumer hands the "lack of IPv4 addresses" will definitely be a thing. If is inevitable.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Apr 21, 2018, 13:37
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RedEye9 wrote on Apr 21, 2018, 11:48:
As more people go online and more iots devices get into consumer hands the "lack of IPv4 addresses" will definitely be a thing. If is inevitable.
Someday, sure -- but not any time soon. Basically it is NOP. (not our problem)
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Apr 21, 2018, 13:47
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Apr 21, 2018, 13:47
Apr 21, 2018, 13:47
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 21, 2018, 13:37:
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 21, 2018, 11:48:
As more people go online and more iots devices get into consumer hands the "lack of IPv4 addresses" will definitely be a thing. If is inevitable.
Someday, sure -- but not any time soon. Basically it is NOP. (not our problem)

It became *my* problem when I randomly discovered a bunch of shit was acting haywire/not working, and spent hours troubleshooting until I found out I was quietly switched over to that Carrier Grade NAT bs, which only exists because of the "lack of IPv4 addresses" issue, whether imaginary or not.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 21, 2018, 14:14
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 21, 2018, 14:14
Apr 21, 2018, 14:14
 
True, but you are an exception. The vast majority of users don't care at all. I'll be surprised if I actually use IPv6 at home in my lifetime. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against it. I don't think it is a bad idea. I just trust corporate laziness and cost avoidance to keep it at bay until after I'm gone.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Apr 21, 2018, 15:30
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Apr 21, 2018, 15:30
Apr 21, 2018, 15:30
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Apr 21, 2018, 13:47:
Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 21, 2018, 13:37:
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 21, 2018, 11:48:
As more people go online and more iots devices get into consumer hands the "lack of IPv4 addresses" will definitely be a thing. If is inevitable.
Someday, sure -- but not any time soon. Basically it is NOP. (not our problem)

It became *my* problem when I randomly discovered a bunch of shit was acting haywire/not working, and spent hours troubleshooting until I found out I was quietly switched over to that Carrier Grade NAT bs, which only exists because of the "lack of IPv4 addresses" issue, whether imaginary or not.
Today meet "someday".
- I refer to it as BC, Before Corona, and AD, After Disaster. -
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Apr 21, 2018, 17:05
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Re: Morning Metaverse Apr 21, 2018, 17:05
Apr 21, 2018, 17:05
 
Actually, ISPs will probably see this as an opportunity for additional cash flow. Want a real world addresses instead of a RFC 6598 address? That's $10 a month extra.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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