jdreyer wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 17:41:

Dev wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 06:31:

jdreyer wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 01:45:

maddog wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 00:08:

jdreyer wrote on Mar 22, 2018, 18:57:
Very cool. I've been looking for a BF2 AIX replacement for a decade. This shows promise.

I made navmeshes for some of the maps in the AIX mod (bot name pc_load_letter). Glad to see people are still playing and enjoying the mod.

Was sad that the team broke up shortly after the release.

AIX is the best non-scripted single player experience I've had. I love it and have been looking for a replacement for a decade.

If I've never heard of this, where can I find info, and will it work with my old steam version of BF2?

Hey Dev, AIX 2.0 is at moddb. I'm using it with the Steam version of BF2.

Thanks!

eRe4s3r wrote on Mar 22, 2018, 18:44:
I feel like de ja vue... I swear I saw the same dumb AI back in CS 10 years ago in a mod AI......

And if you wanted to you could bump said AI up on games to the point you can't win. Sort of funny acting like this is something we haven't had. Now could it be even wiser? Sure. But to just abandon it like the industry did and then act like it is a fresh idea, hmmmm...

Dev wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 06:31:

jdreyer wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 01:45:

maddog wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 00:08:

jdreyer wrote on Mar 22, 2018, 18:57:
Very cool. I've been looking for a BF2 AIX replacement for a decade. This shows promise.

I made navmeshes for some of the maps in the AIX mod (bot name pc_load_letter). Glad to see people are still playing and enjoying the mod.

Was sad that the team broke up shortly after the release.

AIX is the best non-scripted single player experience I've had. I love it and have been looking for a replacement for a decade.

If I've never heard of this, where can I find info, and will it work with my old steam version of BF2?

Hey Dev, AIX 2.0 is at moddb. I'm using it with the Steam version of BF2.

Died laughing at the AI doing circles of each other..

hahah

Great! Now we can finally have a Daikatana where Superfly doesn't get stuck on a rock?

I love any multiplayer game with bots if they are tunable (because telling a human player to suck a little more so you can beat them once in a while doesn't generally work) but the AI thing makes me concerned. Depending on how good the AI is at learning and adapting, it won't be long before the AI bots are owning my old, unskilled ass just as badly as your average 12 year-old does now in Overwatch.

But seriously this would be a major boon for players for older multiplayer only games that have lost their population to the new hotness of newer multiplayer games.

Sure is a lot more useful then 'ray tracing' will be ,.... that won't be coded efficiently for maybe 10 years to work on graphics cards we can't buy because of bitminers

jdreyer wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 01:45:

maddog wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 00:08:

jdreyer wrote on Mar 22, 2018, 18:57:
Very cool. I've been looking for a BF2 AIX replacement for a decade. This shows promise.

I made navmeshes for some of the maps in the AIX mod (bot name pc_load_letter). Glad to see people are still playing and enjoying the mod.

Was sad that the team broke up shortly after the release.

AIX is the best non-scripted single player experience I've had. I love it and have been looking for a replacement for a decade.

If I've never heard of this, where can I find info, and will it work with my old steam version of BF2?

I for one am ready for our robot farming overlords.

maddog wrote on Mar 23, 2018, 00:08:

jdreyer wrote on Mar 22, 2018, 18:57:
Very cool. I've been looking for a BF2 AIX replacement for a decade. This shows promise.

I made navmeshes for some of the maps in the AIX mod (bot name pc_load_letter). Glad to see people are still playing and enjoying the mod.

Was sad that the team broke up shortly after the release.

AIX is the best non-scripted single player experience I've had. I love it and have been looking for a replacement for a decade.

Will self-learning agents ever beat professional FPS-players? If so, when?
With the risk of going out on a limb with a crazy prediction, I think it’s reasonable to expect AI agents capable to defeat human players in a limited competitive game mode—one that features smaller maps, focused teams and clear objectives—in a couple of years from now.

Eh?? Surely building a bot to beat a human is not that hard. Even the most basic bot would have near-zero reaction time and perfect aim.

The challenge so far has been building bots that play like good human players.

jdreyer wrote on Mar 22, 2018, 18:57:
Very cool. I've been looking for a BF2 AIX replacement for a decade. This shows promise.

I made navmeshes for some of the maps in the AIX mod (bot name pc_load_letter). Glad to see people are still playing and enjoying the mod.

Was sad that the team broke up shortly after the release.

necrosis wrote on Mar 22, 2018, 21:28:
I didnt come here to read cleaver titles.

Just here to make spelling mistakes huh?

Slick wrote on Mar 22, 2018, 20:08:
This is the right approach to take.

Traditional AI bots rely on a small map with preset pathing for the AI to take. It's why AI as far back as Quakebots have been able to "seem" passably realistic.

But anyone who played Bad Company 1 knows that once you bring this into an open world, and ESPECIALLY if you add things like destructable environments, the AI can barely make heads or tails of what's happening, as was evidenced by your 3 friendly AI teammates in the campaign.

DICE lamented how hard it was to do the AI back then, and this change towards machine learning is the right move, and should keep Frostbite as the industry-leading engine.

And it should allow AI to be added easily to any FPS: just plugged in the neural net and let it learn the map.

I didnt come here to read cleaver titles.

This is the right approach to take.

Traditional AI bots rely on a small map with preset pathing for the AI to take. It's why AI as far back as Quakebots have been able to "seem" passably realistic.

But anyone who played Bad Company 1 knows that once you bring this into an open world, and ESPECIALLY if you add things like destructable environments, the AI can barely make heads or tails of what's happening, as was evidenced by your 3 friendly AI teammates in the campaign.

DICE lamented how hard it was to do the AI back then, and this change towards machine learning is the right move, and should keep Frostbite as the industry-leading engine.

Very cool. I've been looking for a BF2 AIX replacement for a decade. This shows promise.

I feel like de ja vue... I swear I saw the same dumb AI back in CS 10 years ago in a mod AI...... it was notorious for throwing flash-bangs into FRIENDLY groups to stun 1 enemy, and getting stuck on stairs, and it also never entered buildings and then left them, once such AI enters, you can assume it camps 100% of the match there because it can't path out of buildings.

They really didn't advance this concept since then eh?

Also that's not HOW BF1 is actually played so....

Well, it's a start anyway. I'll believe it when they teach the AI to tea bag opponents and deploy smoke bombs on you while you try to snipe*

*by friendly AI

This comment was edited on Mar 22, 2018, 18:52.