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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 10:25
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Mar 12, 2018, 10:25
 
"American games endorsed aggressive foreign policy; since Brexit, British games advocate isolationism or nostalgia for empire – and the prominence of anti-Islam games in the 2000s tells it all... expulsion of “aliens” (Space Invaders to XCOM), fear of impure infection (Half-Life to The Last of Us), border control (Missile Commander to Plants vs Zombies), territory acquisition (Command & Conquer to Splatoon), empire building (Civilization to Tropico)...

Must be playing different games in the UK than we have over here in the states. Either that or someone was told by their boss to find some kind of tenuous link between games, violence, racism, etc., and someone REALLY had to stretch to make it fit.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 10:29
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 10:29
Mar 12, 2018, 10:29
 
But in the new XCOM you also fight the thin men, who are g-men that have integrated into higher levels of government and... omg, they represent creeping sharia, don't they!!!!!!!!!!`1!!?
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 10:47
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 10:47
Mar 12, 2018, 10:47
 
Beamer wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 10:29:
But in the new XCOM you also fight the thin men, who are g-men that have integrated into higher levels of government and... omg, they represent creeping sharia, don't they!!!!!!!!!!`1!!?

No, no. See, these games are pro-right wing and Trump, so the thin men are the evil Deep State.
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Mar 12, 2018, 10:52
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Mar 12, 2018, 10:52
 
The Guardian. Colour me shocked.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:02
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:02
Mar 12, 2018, 11:02
 
Saboth wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 10:47:
Beamer wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 10:29:
But in the new XCOM you also fight the thin men, who are g-men that have integrated into higher levels of government and... omg, they represent creeping sharia, don't they!!!!!!!!!!`1!!?

No, no. See, these games are pro-right wing and Trump, so the thin men are the evil Deep State.

Hmm. This makes sense.
The large things in the second one are obviously Oprah Winfrey, who is for some reason a big topic of conversation.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:11
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:11
Mar 12, 2018, 11:11
 
This clown is either trolling for clicks or is a literal idiot.

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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:17
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:17
Mar 12, 2018, 11:17
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At first I didn't have too much of a problem with the arricle, assuming the author was referring to extreme fringe games like you'll see from the occasional far-right white supremacist (the kind of game that will occasionally pop up on Steam until the ensuing uproar let's Valve know what they are selling on their professional storefront and they hurriedly take it down). Then I read this:

First, rightwing ideologies have been overrepresented and dominant throughout the history of video games. Although affected by context, video games have long focused on the expulsion of “aliens” (Space Invaders to XCOM), fear of impure infection (Half-Life to The Last of Us), border control (Missile Commander to Plants vs Zombies), territory acquisition (Command & Conquer to Splatoon), empire building (Civilization to Tropico), princess recovery (Mario to Zelda), and restoration of natural harmony (Sonic to FarmVille).

So instantly I thought it was satire because of how ludicrous it is. I'm still wondering if it actually is satire and I'm just being extra dense today.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:18
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:18
Mar 12, 2018, 11:18
 
Opinions are about as good as pissing in the wind. I disagree with their opinion.

However, there is something to be said about 4chan and gamergate links. How and why this started is something we should examine, because there are concrete links that are much more based in fact than opinion. But because the author decides to link things without context or actual correlation it actually obscures the whole picture.

Just because one person in a group (or a small amount of people) do something does not mean the whole group approves of or condones it.

Games have never been more popular, and they continue to become more and more mainstream every day. You can use the same argument for anything, and logically it doesn't prove anything.

notes and other reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:27
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:27
Mar 12, 2018, 11:27
 
Yeah, I'm with Blue on this.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:39
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:39
Mar 12, 2018, 11:39
 
raVen wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 11:18:
Opinions are about as good as pissing in the wind. I disagree with their opinion.

However, there is something to be said about 4chan and gamergate links. How and why this started is something we should examine, because there are concrete links that are much more based in fact than opinion. But because the author decides to link things without context or actual correlation it actually obscures the whole picture.

Just because one person in a group (or a small amount of people) do something does not mean the whole group approves of or condones it.

Games have never been more popular, and they continue to become more and more mainstream every day. You can use the same argument for anything, and logically it doesn't prove anything.

notes and other reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

No, there's no denying that 4chan and GamerGate were a breeding ground for the alt-right. There's a reason Milo went from mocking them to patronizing them to leaving them in the dust - they made for a great launching off point. Those areas are full of angry young men who are socially awkward and looking for someone to validate both them and their anger.

But as you mentioned correlation isn't causation. That those places are full of gamers doesn't mean games are the cause. Games are a symptom. Angry young socially awkward men love games, games don't make them that way. Tons, if not most, people love games.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:53
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:53
Mar 12, 2018, 11:53
 
"Many gamers are right wing" > links to article where a nazi has 300 friends on a platform with 65,000,000 monthly users.

I don't think that word means what you think it does.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 12:11
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Mar 12, 2018, 12:11
 
dup
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 12:12
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Mar 12, 2018, 12:12
 
RedEye9 wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 12:11:
Beamer wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 11:39:

No, there's no denying that 4chan and GamerGate were a breeding ground for the alt-right. There's a reason Milo went from mocking them to patronizing them to leaving them in the dust - they made for a great launching off point. Those areas are full of angry young men who are socially awkward and looking for someone to validate both them and their anger.

But as you mentioned correlation isn't causation. That those places are full of gamers doesn't mean games are the cause. Games are a symptom. Angry young socially awkward men love games, games don't make them that way. Tons, if not most, people love games.
It's the same way steve bannon rose to fame.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 12:46
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Mar 12, 2018, 12:46
 
The Guardian....The Huffington Post....Fox News.... Can't really take any of them seriously. They're all in it for the entertainment/activism.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 12:47
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Mar 12, 2018, 12:47
 
It's just the UK giving the world a glimpse of it's true fascist face. Also why so many great dystopian novels are British

'Free speech or hate speech? Right-wing activists ‘banned’ from Britain"
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Right-wing+activists+%E2%80%98banned%E2%80%99+from+Britain&t=ffcm&ia=web


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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 12:51
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 12:51
Mar 12, 2018, 12:51
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No, there's no denying that 4chan and GamerGate were a breeding ground for the alt-right. There's a reason Milo went from mocking them to patronizing them to leaving them in the dust - they made for a great launching off point. Those areas are full of angry young men who are socially awkward and looking for someone to validate both them and their anger.

I was behind the *concept* of gamergate before #gamergate was a thing. I saw that games media was in danger of becoming like the mainstream garbage that passes as "news" today - biased and slanted based on who is reporting it with a focus on agendas rather than reporting the actual news - and I didn't want games media to go there. The instant that gamergate became a thing, however, I ran the other way. I WILL NOT be a part of any concerted activist movement for the simple fact that as soon as your movement has more than 6 people in it it becomes something beyond your control and invariably is co-opted by a vocal minority of assholes who in turn become the face of your movement. It wasn't hard to see right away the type of cretin that would be drawn to the type of movement gamergate was and I wanted no part of it. I'm sure that the majority of the movement's followers who remained personally invested shared my beliefs from the outset but its takeover by racists and misogynists was inevitable and they unwittingly aligned themselves with that. Activism in my opinion is always pointless at best, and destructive at worst.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 13:20
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 13:20
Mar 12, 2018, 13:20
 
Saboth wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 10:47:
Beamer wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 10:29:
But in the new XCOM you also fight the thin men, who are g-men that have integrated into higher levels of government and... omg, they represent creeping sharia, don't they!!!!!!!!!!`1!!?

No, no. See, these games are pro-right wing and Trump, so the thin men are the evil Deep State.

Play any military shooter and it becomes obvious within seconds how utterly brainwashed into supporting the never ending regime change in the middle east foreign policy most players are.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 13:40
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 13:40
Mar 12, 2018, 13:40
 
Opinions aren't news. They're just whatever garbage some moron with an agenda decided to spew and he happened to have a platform available and aren't worthy of getting excited about, fellas.


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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 14:04
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 14:04
Mar 12, 2018, 14:04
 
The article is just one logical fallacy after the next. I mean Plants vs. Zombies = border control!? WTF? Yes I'm sure some kinds of games might be more attractive to people with alt-right views but that doesn't mean all or even most people who play those games have such views. I feel like someone could make the exact opposite claim using most of the same examples; 'Plants vs. Zombies is Eco-terrorist propaganda'.

He even mentions gamer-gate and fails to mention that one of their complaints was the liberalization of gaming. Which is it?

Dumb article was dumb. I know begging the question, but prove me wrong
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 14:09
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 14:09
Mar 12, 2018, 14:09
 
Pigeon wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 14:04:
I mean Plants vs. Zombies = border control!? WTF?

Gotta admit, had to check I wasn't reading The Onion. Politics aside, this article deserves some kind of prize for its unintentional comedic value.
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