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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 12:46
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The Guardian....The Huffington Post....Fox News.... Can't really take any of them seriously. They're all in it for the entertainment/activism.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 12:12
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 12:12
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RedEye9 wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 12:11:
Beamer wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 11:39:

No, there's no denying that 4chan and GamerGate were a breeding ground for the alt-right. There's a reason Milo went from mocking them to patronizing them to leaving them in the dust - they made for a great launching off point. Those areas are full of angry young men who are socially awkward and looking for someone to validate both them and their anger.

But as you mentioned correlation isn't causation. That those places are full of gamers doesn't mean games are the cause. Games are a symptom. Angry young socially awkward men love games, games don't make them that way. Tons, if not most, people love games.
It's the same way steve bannon rose to fame.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 12:11
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 12:11
Mar 12, 2018, 12:11
 
dup
“We’ve arranged a society on science and technology in which nobody understands anything about science and technology, and this combustible mixture of ignorance and power sooner or later is going to blow up in our faces." Carl Sagan
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:53
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Mar 12, 2018, 11:53
 
"Many gamers are right wing" > links to article where a nazi has 300 friends on a platform with 65,000,000 monthly users.

I don't think that word means what you think it does.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:39
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:39
Mar 12, 2018, 11:39
 
raVen wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 11:18:
Opinions are about as good as pissing in the wind. I disagree with their opinion.

However, there is something to be said about 4chan and gamergate links. How and why this started is something we should examine, because there are concrete links that are much more based in fact than opinion. But because the author decides to link things without context or actual correlation it actually obscures the whole picture.

Just because one person in a group (or a small amount of people) do something does not mean the whole group approves of or condones it.

Games have never been more popular, and they continue to become more and more mainstream every day. You can use the same argument for anything, and logically it doesn't prove anything.

notes and other reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

No, there's no denying that 4chan and GamerGate were a breeding ground for the alt-right. There's a reason Milo went from mocking them to patronizing them to leaving them in the dust - they made for a great launching off point. Those areas are full of angry young men who are socially awkward and looking for someone to validate both them and their anger.

But as you mentioned correlation isn't causation. That those places are full of gamers doesn't mean games are the cause. Games are a symptom. Angry young socially awkward men love games, games don't make them that way. Tons, if not most, people love games.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:27
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:27
Mar 12, 2018, 11:27
 
Yeah, I'm with Blue on this.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:18
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:18
Mar 12, 2018, 11:18
 
Opinions are about as good as pissing in the wind. I disagree with their opinion.

However, there is something to be said about 4chan and gamergate links. How and why this started is something we should examine, because there are concrete links that are much more based in fact than opinion. But because the author decides to link things without context or actual correlation it actually obscures the whole picture.

Just because one person in a group (or a small amount of people) do something does not mean the whole group approves of or condones it.

Games have never been more popular, and they continue to become more and more mainstream every day. You can use the same argument for anything, and logically it doesn't prove anything.

notes and other reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:17
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At first I didn't have too much of a problem with the arricle, assuming the author was referring to extreme fringe games like you'll see from the occasional far-right white supremacist (the kind of game that will occasionally pop up on Steam until the ensuing uproar let's Valve know what they are selling on their professional storefront and they hurriedly take it down). Then I read this:

First, rightwing ideologies have been overrepresented and dominant throughout the history of video games. Although affected by context, video games have long focused on the expulsion of “aliens” (Space Invaders to XCOM), fear of impure infection (Half-Life to The Last of Us), border control (Missile Commander to Plants vs Zombies), territory acquisition (Command & Conquer to Splatoon), empire building (Civilization to Tropico), princess recovery (Mario to Zelda), and restoration of natural harmony (Sonic to FarmVille).

So instantly I thought it was satire because of how ludicrous it is. I'm still wondering if it actually is satire and I'm just being extra dense today.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:11
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Mar 12, 2018, 11:11
 
This clown is either trolling for clicks or is a literal idiot.

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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 11:02
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 11:02
Mar 12, 2018, 11:02
 
Saboth wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 10:47:
Beamer wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 10:29:
But in the new XCOM you also fight the thin men, who are g-men that have integrated into higher levels of government and... omg, they represent creeping sharia, don't they!!!!!!!!!!`1!!?

No, no. See, these games are pro-right wing and Trump, so the thin men are the evil Deep State.

Hmm. This makes sense.
The large things in the second one are obviously Oprah Winfrey, who is for some reason a big topic of conversation.
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Mar 12, 2018, 10:52
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Mar 12, 2018, 10:52
 
The Guardian. Colour me shocked.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 10:47
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 10:47
Mar 12, 2018, 10:47
 
Beamer wrote on Mar 12, 2018, 10:29:
But in the new XCOM you also fight the thin men, who are g-men that have integrated into higher levels of government and... omg, they represent creeping sharia, don't they!!!!!!!!!!`1!!?

No, no. See, these games are pro-right wing and Trump, so the thin men are the evil Deep State.
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 10:29
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Re: Op Ed Mar 12, 2018, 10:29
Mar 12, 2018, 10:29
 
But in the new XCOM you also fight the thin men, who are g-men that have integrated into higher levels of government and... omg, they represent creeping sharia, don't they!!!!!!!!!!`1!!?
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Re: Op Ed
Mar 12, 2018, 10:25
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Mar 12, 2018, 10:25
 
"American games endorsed aggressive foreign policy; since Brexit, British games advocate isolationism or nostalgia for empire – and the prominence of anti-Islam games in the 2000s tells it all... expulsion of “aliens” (Space Invaders to XCOM), fear of impure infection (Half-Life to The Last of Us), border control (Missile Commander to Plants vs Zombies), territory acquisition (Command & Conquer to Splatoon), empire building (Civilization to Tropico)...

Must be playing different games in the UK than we have over here in the states. Either that or someone was told by their boss to find some kind of tenuous link between games, violence, racism, etc., and someone REALLY had to stretch to make it fit.
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