jdreyer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 04:55:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 01:11:
Well as a German I have no bias to any of your political stuff

Given that you're a German, what do you think of the effect that a half million immigrants coming into your country in the past year have had?

Effect? On housing situation? Nearly zero (It was horrible bad even before the wave), on job market? Even less than zero, turns out most jobs where I live don't hire people that can't speak German, who'd have thought! Turns also out that learning German is apparently frigging hard and only children really managed that, met a girl 13 with (I am guessing) syrian mother and father in supermarket and she asked me in nearly perfect German how the weighting station for fruit worked. Turns out I knew that, because I was.. well, kinda weighting fruits at the moment. Whatever, explained and the parents thanked me and were apparently happy someone actually explained that to them. (For this to understand you have to know that you can buy fruits "loose" but you have to weigh them yourself in our supermarket) and there ain't any personal around to help you.... oh well, also our supermarket has as a feature "0 personal cash-outs" where 1 employee looks over 10 cash-outs that are basically requiring you to do your thing.

So my personal impressions are actually pretty positive. Although I doubt that is indicative of the greater situation.

On the other hand you got the Sylvester incident, you got the Breitscheid Platz incident... you got the various knife attack incidents.... statistically illegal immigrants (not accepted refugees!) are around twice as criminal as local citizens. BUt that's because they 4 times as many young people than old people. So they are actually (statistically) less criminal than Germany. But the statistics .. well let's just say they don't help the public opinion, fact is without Merkels decision these criminals would not be here.

But yeah. To say we have a heated political climate in German is the understatement of the century. We have the AFD, the first time since... I can't even.. I think since 1946 we have a political right wing party that is not just in the parliament but also the strongest opposition party. (If we had elections today the SPD would likely fall below the AFD) that's the kind of situation we have nowadays. It isn't exactly pretty.

I also want to say, Refugees with papers/documents.. assuming they flee from violent prosecution (by ISIS or others) are imo always acceptable, though I would deny entry to anyone that doesn't have papers, birth certs and passport.

For that to understand you have to realize, our gov doesn't check age. You can claim you are 16 with beard and everything, and it later turns out you are 30? Well shit eh, but nothing will happen to you if you lie. So we put adults in children education with OUR children and those children from other refugees who didn't lie. It's one of the current topics here....

So you see, we having a lot of "fun"

Ps.: Whoops, forgot to explain why that with the jobs is. Well, turns out if you are here illegally or your asylum has been denied, you are legally barred from working in the entire EU so maybe that is the reason impact on jobs is small, impact on crime substantial. Though most crime is immigrants vs immigrants.

PPs.: Also important to remember, Syrians? Yeah, they get refugee status (and are allowed to take jobs and bring families), everyone else though? Not so much.

Essentially Germany has made illegal immigrant a caste thing, you are Syrian you got it good, but everyone else, often from countries far worse off than Syria, we just sent back or deny any support. That's not something anyone tells those refugees before they come here apparently. (Cameroon comes to mind, I pity every single one who comes here from there, they got a 0.06% chance of acceptance .

Aside that we also have a lot of "fun" with kicking people out (rather some of our left wing parties and the federal states they rule don't really "do" it properly. Basically a complex political clusterfuck