StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:45:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:13:
Again, people thought this about the Irish and the Italians. American survived. Prospered, even. Often, immigrants are hungrier than us, because they've seen how bad it can get.

And again, they're generally taking the lowest paying, least skilled jobs available. Who wants to be a migrant farmer? Certainly no Americans.

Sure, but that was a very different time for the country and world. We're switching from manufacturing to mentafacturing and losing jobs every day, we're not the country that desperately needs immigrants that we were when you're talking about. Also we let in 1,000,000 a year legally, more than any other country last time I checked, so again it's about limited resources and not just moving every poor soul into the U.S.

I'm generally a left-leaning centrist and I love America being a melting pot, I really do. However these "no borders!" arguments are really just not effective. We can't solve poverty by just moving everyone to a nicer country and calling it a day.

I don't think anyone is calling for "no border."
Though many, myself included, are calling for an easier process, for the same reason we call for legalizing marijuana. We're spending a fortune on combating something very inefficiently, we're hurting good people while making it easy for bad people to skirt the law, and throwing more money at the problem seems incredibly unlikely to do much more than waste a lot of money.

Zoom wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:17:

ZeroPike1 wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 12:56:
Also I like the Norway thing. Norway is like one of the best countries to live in. They would need massive incentive to go to give that up and go to the US. So Trump might tout that idea as getting better people. But the better people know better then to immigrate to the US already.

What's funnier is Trump and his supporters will cite this country as an example, even though it's one of the most socialist countries in Europe (with a very comprehensive nanny-state). And they enjoy one of the highest standards of living on Earth, i highly doubt any of them would want to emigrate to a shithole like the USA. Oh, how do you Trump supporters feel being called a shithole ?

Trump said "Norway" because he likes banging blonde chicks. It's that simple.

Verno wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:05:

Yifes wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 12:54:
The fact that conservatives stooped so low to support him is what's sad for America.

Not really, Trump basically stole the nomination and bulled his way into the presidency. The Conservative establishment fought him every step of the way until it was too late to do anything. Trump essentially hijacked the Republican party and made utter fools of the Dems as well.

The ESA rebuking anyone is pretty amusing stuff though. The industry's shill service that defends gambling sold to minors is upset on moral grounds hahaha.

The ESA is doing the politically expedient thing: the software industry is as international and multicultural as any industry can get.

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:13:
Again, people thought this about the Irish and the Italians. American survived. Prospered, even. Often, immigrants are hungrier than us, because they've seen how bad it can get.

And again, they're generally taking the lowest paying, least skilled jobs available. Who wants to be a migrant farmer? Certainly no Americans.

Sure, but that was a very different time for the country and world. We're switching from manufacturing to mentafacturing and losing jobs every day, we're not the country that desperately needs immigrants that we were when you're talking about. Also we let in 1,000,000 a year legally, more than any other country last time I checked, so again it's about limited resources and not just moving every poor soul into the U.S.

I'm generally a left-leaning centrist and I love America being a melting pot, I really do. However these "no borders!" arguments are really just not effective. We can't solve poverty by just moving everyone to a nicer country and calling it a day.

HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:30:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:58:

HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:47:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:21:
Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.

They were all mentioned this past Wednesday by the honorable Donald Trump, during his Fake News Awards... How could you miss it?

In fairness to Trump, he announced last week that he was holding this on 1/17, so you missed him moving them.
But I'd wager this is what the bulk of his time has been spent on, rather than any form of policy.

Thank you... it's hard getting news like this watching streams.

‘fake news awards’ could land White House staff in hot water
Like anything the orange supremacist spouts it's not gonna happen; just like the wall, transgender ban in the military, daca rollback etc etc etc...

DukeFNukem wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 12:21:

RedEye9 wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 10:28:
The ESA is a little late, the whole world has given up on the dotus.

Can't wait for anyone to cluelessly defend the dotard yet again.

The whole world has given up on the dotus? LoL. Your comments have no basis in reality do they? Half of America voted for Donald Trump because they're smart enough to realize that people coming here to sponge off the system will only weigh it down more. You do understand that when more people are sponging off the welfare system than the amount of people supporting it, that it will eventually collapse? That's just common sense for Gods sake.

If everyone is consuming and no one is producing, eventually there will be nothing left to consume. Please correct me where I am wrong.

There is so much wrong here it's hard to know where to begin.

1. Being pro immigration doesn't mean you're pro "let everyone in"

2. I work with a ton of immigrants, including a guy from Haiti and a guy from Ghana, ostensibly "shithole" nations. Most of them make more than I do.

3. Your contention that immigrants come to the US illegally to suck at the welfare teat is completely wrong. First, they come here to work, usually jobs that Americans won't do. If you want to stop illegal immigration, crack down on companies. Second, illegals don't apply for or qualify for welfare.

Now I'm getting banner ads here for "Is Trump Making America Great Again? Vote Now!"

Better, though, than getting two ads, right on top of each other, for Gavin McInnes, asshole White Nationalist and leader of manchildren.

HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:30:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:58:

HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:47:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:21:
Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.

They were all mentioned this past Wednesday by the honorable Donald Trump, during his Fake News Awards... How could you miss it?

In fairness to Trump, he announced last week that he was holding this on 1/17, so you missed him moving them.
But I'd wager this is what the bulk of his time has been spent on, rather than any form of policy.

Thank you... it's hard getting news like this watching streams.

I didn't see that, either. I don't watch news, and I never actually read the "Fake News Awards" articles, as the headlines told you all you needed to know (given that it was sourced solely from a tweet.)

I saw you post mocking him for missing his own deadline the other day, googled it to see if you were right about the deadline, and saw he had almost immediately moved it.

DangerDog wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:18:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:21:

Chromius wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:17:
The sad thing is is how many of you believe CNN and a source of a source of a source as real news.

The brainwashing is significant in this thread.

Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.
Please, just one bit of news from them that was incorrect and remains uncorrected.

've already cited, several times, our own President giving us incorrect information on Twitter, just this week. In case you didn't read it in this lengthy thread, he saIid that he didn't go to the UK because of a bad deal Obama made. Sadly for us, this was misinformation, deliberately or mistakenly, as it was Bush that made the deal.

So there, I've given you an example of Trump giving us "fake news." Your turn to back your claim. Frankly, I expect we just never see you again, like every other person we ask to show us "fake news" on CNN.

How about that time when CNN reported that Trump didn't stand a chance at being President.

Those are predictions, like who's going to win the games this weekend. I don't think we consider wrong answers after the fact there as fake or lies.

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:58:

HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:47:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:21:
Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.

They were all mentioned this past Wednesday by the honorable Donald Trump, during his Fake News Awards... How could you miss it?

In fairness to Trump, he announced last week that he was holding this on 1/17, so you missed him moving them.
But I'd wager this is what the bulk of his time has been spent on, rather than any form of policy.

Thank you... it's hard getting news like this watching streams.

DangerDog wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:18:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:21:

Chromius wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:17:
The sad thing is is how many of you believe CNN and a source of a source of a source as real news.

The brainwashing is significant in this thread.

Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.
Please, just one bit of news from them that was incorrect and remains uncorrected.

've already cited, several times, our own President giving us incorrect information on Twitter, just this week. In case you didn't read it in this lengthy thread, he saIid that he didn't go to the UK because of a bad deal Obama made. Sadly for us, this was misinformation, deliberately or mistakenly, as it was Bush that made the deal.

So there, I've given you an example of Trump giving us "fake news." Your turn to back your claim. Frankly, I expect we just never see you again, like every other person we ask to show us "fake news" on CNN.

How about that time when CNN reported that Trump didn't stand a chance at being President.

You seem to struggle with fact vs opinion, as well as odds and percentages, as well as predictions.
When reporters predict who will win the Superbowl and get it wrong, do you spend the next year screaming "FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!?"

Darks wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:18:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:13:

StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:10:

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:55:

Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 15:29:
Well the reality is if all those people from all those countries come here than it's going to be just as shitty here.

How does that follow at all? Immigrants come here all the time and make decent lives for themselves. They go to school, get jobs, raise families. Why does them coming from a war-torn place mean that suddenly the US will be a worse place for having them here?

Because there's only so many resources and jobs to go around. This reminds me of the movie Elysium where they show the ruined Earth and the paradise space station. Spoilers, the good guys win and the end shows poor Earth people flooding into the paradise... but the first thing that has to pop into any rational mind is "well it won't be paradise for long."

Not saying the U.S. is paradise by any means, but the point is it's not like the solution to the problems countries like Haiti face is to just move everyone living there to the U.S. That's a terrible simplistic notion. The better avenue is to use our wealth to help those people in their communities make changes for the better.

P.S. What Trump said was terrible from a political standpoint, which is his usual "problem." Though I put problem in quotes because his no bullshit speaking style is exactly what his core base love him for.

Again, people thought this about the Irish and the Italians. American survived. Prospered, even. Often, immigrants are hungrier than us, because they've seen how bad it can get.

And again, they're generally taking the lowest paying, least skilled jobs available. Who wants to be a migrant farmer? Certainly no Americans.

Beamer, you so far off base on this its not even funny. That used to be the case. The world has changed and so has America. your talking about migrants from south america. most of us are talking about the fucking trash coming from the middle east thats fucking everything up. Big Difference!!!

Again, sounds like what people said about the Irish and Italians.

What did they fuck up? And do you know any personally? Do you work with them?

NewMaxx wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 11:56:
I'll go further and quite honestly say having to read political garbage on this site has made me move FAR away from using it like I used to and while the ESA qualifies as gaming-oriented in this case, I have to question the intelligence of many of the regulars here when they spout off about Trump like they are somehow enlightened when it's the same bullshit every time. Get over yourselves.

Not sure why you even came to this thread if those are your feelings. With Trump's name in the headline what kind of comments were you expecting? Apart from Legal (political by definition) and occasionally OotB, the site is politics free. Easy to avoid.

DangerDog wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:18:

How about that time when CNN reported that Trump didn't stand a chance at being President.

Source for claim that CNN predicted 0% chance of Trump winning election? Most of the mainstream media was giving Trump about a 25-30% chance at winning the week before the election. I don't think that qualifies as "didn't stand a chance."

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:21:

Chromius wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:17:
The sad thing is is how many of you believe CNN and a source of a source of a source as real news.

The brainwashing is significant in this thread.

Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.
Please, just one bit of news from them that was incorrect and remains uncorrected.

've already cited, several times, our own President giving us incorrect information on Twitter, just this week. In case you didn't read it in this lengthy thread, he saIid that he didn't go to the UK because of a bad deal Obama made. Sadly for us, this was misinformation, deliberately or mistakenly, as it was Bush that made the deal.

So there, I've given you an example of Trump giving us "fake news." Your turn to back your claim. Frankly, I expect we just never see you again, like every other person we ask to show us "fake news" on CNN.

How about that time when CNN reported that Trump didn't stand a chance at being President.

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:13:

StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:10:

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:55:

Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 15:29:
Well the reality is if all those people from all those countries come here than it's going to be just as shitty here.

How does that follow at all? Immigrants come here all the time and make decent lives for themselves. They go to school, get jobs, raise families. Why does them coming from a war-torn place mean that suddenly the US will be a worse place for having them here?

Because there's only so many resources and jobs to go around. This reminds me of the movie Elysium where they show the ruined Earth and the paradise space station. Spoilers, the good guys win and the end shows poor Earth people flooding into the paradise... but the first thing that has to pop into any rational mind is "well it won't be paradise for long."

Not saying the U.S. is paradise by any means, but the point is it's not like the solution to the problems countries like Haiti face is to just move everyone living there to the U.S. That's a terrible simplistic notion. The better avenue is to use our wealth to help those people in their communities make changes for the better.

P.S. What Trump said was terrible from a political standpoint, which is his usual "problem." Though I put problem in quotes because his no bullshit speaking style is exactly what his core base love him for.

Again, people thought this about the Irish and the Italians. American survived. Prospered, even. Often, immigrants are hungrier than us, because they've seen how bad it can get.

And again, they're generally taking the lowest paying, least skilled jobs available. Who wants to be a migrant farmer? Certainly no Americans.

Beamer, you so far off base on this its not even funny. That used to be the case. The world has changed and so has America. your talking about migrants from south america. most of us are talking about the fucking trash coming from the middle east thats fucking everything up. Big Difference!!!

Prez wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 12:00:
The fact that this garbage is littering my gaming news kinda pisses me off. It's not gaming news just because the ESA responded to something stupid someone said about immigration with a generic socially approved form letter. Fuck.

Serious question: why did you open the story and read the comments? It was so easy to avoid.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:10:

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:55:

Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 15:29:
Well the reality is if all those people from all those countries come here than it's going to be just as shitty here.

How does that follow at all? Immigrants come here all the time and make decent lives for themselves. They go to school, get jobs, raise families. Why does them coming from a war-torn place mean that suddenly the US will be a worse place for having them here?

Because there's only so many resources and jobs to go around. This reminds me of the movie Elysium where they show the ruined Earth and the paradise space station. Spoilers, the good guys win and the end shows poor Earth people flooding into the paradise... but the first thing that has to pop into any rational mind is "well it won't be paradise for long."

Not saying the U.S. is paradise by any means, but the point is it's not like the solution to the problems countries like Haiti face is to just move everyone living there to the U.S. That's a terrible simplistic notion. The better avenue is to use our wealth to help those people in their communities make changes for the better.

P.S. What Trump said was terrible from a political standpoint, which is his usual "problem." Though I put problem in quotes because his no bullshit speaking style is exactly what his core base love him for.

Again, people thought this about the Irish and the Italians. American survived. Prospered, even. Often, immigrants are hungrier than us, because they've seen how bad it can get.

And again, they're generally taking the lowest paying, least skilled jobs available. Who wants to be a migrant farmer? Certainly no Americans.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:55:

Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 15:29:
Well the reality is if all those people from all those countries come here than it's going to be just as shitty here.

How does that follow at all? Immigrants come here all the time and make decent lives for themselves. They go to school, get jobs, raise families. Why does them coming from a war-torn place mean that suddenly the US will be a worse place for having them here?

Because there's only so many resources and jobs to go around. This reminds me of the movie Elysium where they show the ruined Earth and the paradise space station. Spoilers, the good guys win and the end shows poor Earth people flooding into the paradise... but the first thing that has to pop into any rational mind is "well it won't be paradise for long."

Not saying the U.S. is paradise by any means, but the point is it's not like the solution to the problems countries like Haiti face is to just move everyone living there to the U.S. That's a terrible simplistic notion. The better avenue is to use our wealth to help those people in their communities make changes for the better.

P.S. What Trump said was terrible from a political standpoint, which is his usual "problem." Though I put problem in quotes because his no bullshit speaking style is exactly what his core base love him for.

Countries with overbearing dictatorships and massive corruption may be shitholes, but the President doesn't get to say that. And especially in the context of people trying to flee same.