Red886 wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 00:25:
many European cities are now shitholes. And this is caused by a very poor and loose immigration policy and enforcement. Massive petty crime rates (which is why every tourist is warned about pickpockets and scams, street harassment and snatch thieves aka crime which is excluded in crime statistics published) and Poor hygiene (rubbish, graffiti, fading crumbling facades). Now Trump is trying to prevent this from happening and he is getting skewered everyday by mainstream media

This is the reality of unchecked immigration. It takes an astounding amount of arrogance to assume that you can just assimilate millions of people to your way of life without consequences. These countries have their own cultures, social norms and religions. In their absurd zeal to Save The World, people never stop to think about whether it's a good idea or if they're even compatible in the first place.

On a societal level, we want to take skilled immigrants who have something to offer our way of life. In a crisis situation we need to act responsibly in taking in refugees which we did unlike Europe.

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 01:11:
Well as a German I have no bias to any of your political stuff

Given that you're a German, what do you think of the effect that a half million immigrants coming into your country in the past year have had?

Red886 wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 00:25:

NKD wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:26:

Quboid wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:04:

I do, and I know of no group so comprehensively - and conveniently - misinformed about Europe as right-wing Americans.

American right wingers think they know Europe better then Europeans. Thinking it's some hellhole where you get raped to death by a Muslim every time you walk out the door is their favorite thing to believe. Nevermind that natural-born Americans are much more prolific rapists than immigrants. If I had the money to get set up in some decent place in Europe, I'd move in a heartbeat. The normalization of Trump and the lack of any consequences for anything he does pretty much signals to me that this country is finished.

many European cities are now shitholes. And this is caused by a very poor and loose immigration policy and enforcement. Massive petty crime rates (which is why every tourist is warned about pickpockets and scams, street harassment and snatch thieves aka crime which is excluded in crime statistics published) and Poor hygiene (rubbish, graffiti, fading crumbling facades). Now Trump is trying to prevent this from happening and he is getting skewered everyday by mainstream media

In the USA, immigrants have lower crime rates compared to natural born U.S. citizens.

That being said, I disagree with the way Europe went about things. While I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to help the maximum number of people, you can't bring in millions of people in a single year, and expect them to integrate into your country. You can't provide jobs for those people, or housing, or other services when you have such a huge spike like that. And we're seeing the poor results and the backlash.

opie wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 00:23:
Something the Left doesn't understand, most people don't give a shit what was said. Hell, some would agree with him.
This only makes people that like him, like him more. And those that hate him, keep on hating. Nothing changes.

I believe Trump is a result of the PC left pushing too hard, too fast and the country saying "no more". But this is just my opinion.

What is funny on this forum, is that the seemingly liberal posters will always be the first to drop to personal attacks. Way to keep it classy.

In 1970, the US population was 90% white. Today is is approaching 50% and falling. The election of Trump has nothing to do with the "PC left" and everything to do with whites feeling that they're "losing" the country to "the other." It's the last gasps of white privilege and the idea that, to be American one must be white, preferably male. I say that as a white male living in a region that is only 25% white, yet is economically thriving with almost no racial strife. Humans are humans, and the thing that makes a strong economy is education level. When humans have a good education, they become moral, secular, and empathetic, regardless of race.

NKD wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:26:

Quboid wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:04:

I do, and I know of no group so comprehensively - and conveniently - misinformed about Europe as right-wing Americans.

American right wingers think they know Europe better then Europeans. Thinking it's some hellhole where you get raped to death by a Muslim every time you walk out the door is their favorite thing to believe. Nevermind that natural-born Americans are much more prolific rapists than immigrants. If I had the money to get set up in some decent place in Europe, I'd move in a heartbeat. The normalization of Trump and the lack of any consequences for anything he does pretty much signals to me that this country is finished.

Funny you should mention that, given that this just happened:

After drubbing by media, Trump’s ambassador to the Netherlands apologizes for anti-Muslim remarks

RedEye9 wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:01:
U.S. Ambassador To Panama Resigns, Saying He Can't Serve trumpie
Now if only donni would resign, wouldn't that be grand.

I was of the opinion that Franken should have made his resignation contingent on Trump and Clarence Thomas resigning.

Red886 wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 00:25:

NKD wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:26:

Quboid wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:04:

I do, and I know of no group so comprehensively - and conveniently - misinformed about Europe as right-wing Americans.

American right wingers think they know Europe better then Europeans. Thinking it's some hellhole where you get raped to death by a Muslim every time you walk out the door is their favorite thing to believe. Nevermind that natural-born Americans are much more prolific rapists than immigrants. If I had the money to get set up in some decent place in Europe, I'd move in a heartbeat. The normalization of Trump and the lack of any consequences for anything he does pretty much signals to me that this country is finished.

many European cities are now shitholes. And this is caused by a very poor and loose immigration policy and enforcement. Massive petty crime rates (which is why every tourist is warned about pickpockets and scams, street harassment and snatch thieves aka crime which is excluded in crime statistics published) and Poor hygiene (rubbish, graffiti, fading crumbling facades). Now Trump is trying to prevent this from happening and he is getting skewered everyday by mainstream media

Are you a right-wing American, by any chance? Do you have any specific examples of these shitholes? Do you think criminals targeting tourists is new or exclusive to Europe? Can you think of any reason why the people who have next to no chance of getting support from cities might want to scare people into mistrusting cities?

Sepharo wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 00:43:
Before the Muslim invasion, European cities were a shining beacon on a hill!
It was like the 1950s in America. Everything bright and white and alright! There was no crime and everyone lived together peacefully.

It was lovely. How I long for those carefree days of my childhood, guessing if the gunfire was paramilitary or police/army by the length of the bursts. How I long for the good old days when things across Europe were objectively worse.

Jeraxle wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 19:25:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 19:19:

Jeraxle wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 19:02:
Read my reply. On Politifact's own website and an Op Ed by the donor himself.

From 2011

I looked at the site right now, and I see no left or right leaning anywhere, sounds like most of the reporting done on there is based on facts from other sources (A thing both wing supporters seem to be allergic to though)

And Trump isn't attacked on there, he is fact checked though, like everyone else. If that is a dem leaning website the democratic party in your mind must be a pretty weird nearly neutral hybrid

Yes, the original page was put up in 2011. However, if you read it, you'll note not far into it that the information is current as of October 31, 2017.

So rather than show fact and cite sources, you just proclaim that you see no bias? Well then, I guess that settles that. =P

Well as a German I have no bias to any of your political stuff So yeah, in fact I can proclaim there is no bias, but I did not, I said I don't see any bias Though I will grant you that they have, like nearly all media, a hard-on for fact checking anything involving Trump and his various more or less mentally stable party dudes. Is that what you mean with bias? While it is certainly a political direction the site is leaning in, that itself is NOT bias. Assuming they fact check correctly. And what happens on v/b/logs is irrelevant. Only relevant parts are the actual editorialized content.

Ps.: Bias is highly subjective. If you have proof they fact check wrongly or can explain to me why you see that then I will maybe see it differently.... just saying.. currently I don't see it. Clicked a few on their "fact checks" and it was mostly .. boring.. irrelevant US politics. What a surprise huh. ;p

Before the Muslim invasion, European cities were a shining beacon on a hill!
It was like the 1950s in America. Everything bright and white and alright! There was no crime and everyone lived together peacefully.

NKD wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:26:

Quboid wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:04:

I do, and I know of no group so comprehensively - and conveniently - misinformed about Europe as right-wing Americans.

American right wingers think they know Europe better then Europeans. Thinking it's some hellhole where you get raped to death by a Muslim every time you walk out the door is their favorite thing to believe. Nevermind that natural-born Americans are much more prolific rapists than immigrants. If I had the money to get set up in some decent place in Europe, I'd move in a heartbeat. The normalization of Trump and the lack of any consequences for anything he does pretty much signals to me that this country is finished.

many European cities are now shitholes. And this is caused by a very poor and loose immigration policy and enforcement. Massive petty crime rates (which is why every tourist is warned about pickpockets and scams, street harassment and snatch thieves aka crime which is excluded in crime statistics published) and Poor hygiene (rubbish, graffiti, fading crumbling facades). Now Trump is trying to prevent this from happening and he is getting skewered everyday by mainstream media

Something the Left doesn't understand, most people don't give a shit what was said. Hell, some would agree with him.
This only makes people that like him, like him more. And those that hate him, keep on hating. Nothing changes.

I believe Trump is a result of the PC left pushing too hard, too fast and the country saying "no more". But this is just my opinion.

What is funny on this forum, is that the seemingly liberal posters will always be the first to drop to personal attacks. Way to keep it classy.

Quboid wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 23:04:

I do, and I know of no group so comprehensively - and conveniently - misinformed about Europe as right-wing Americans.

American right wingers think they know Europe better then Europeans. Thinking it's some hellhole where you get raped to death by a Muslim every time you walk out the door is their favorite thing to believe. Nevermind that natural-born Americans are much more prolific rapists than immigrants. If I had the money to get set up in some decent place in Europe, I'd move in a heartbeat. The normalization of Trump and the lack of any consequences for anything he does pretty much signals to me that this country is finished.

Darks wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 22:11:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 21:34:

Darks wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 20:54:
@ Beamer

Im not wasting anymore time with you, people like you will never listen, in your mind no matter what anyone says you are always right. You want an example, go find a dictionary.

Can't even name one thing. I mean, how can you be right when you can't name a single thing supporting your claim?

Where in a dictionary would I see middle easterners fucking up the US? Sounds more like an encyclopedia thing, but even then, I can't imagine anything they're doing that we're not already doing in greater numbers.

Its very apparent you dont pay attention to whats going on in Europe. Again, Delusional!!!

I do, and I know of no group so comprehensively - and conveniently - misinformed about Europe as right-wing Americans.

U.S. Ambassador To Panama Resigns, Saying He Can't Serve trumpie
Now if only donni would resign, wouldn't that be grand.

jdreyer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 22:27:

Kxmode wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 20:42:
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

/drops mic/

For someone who hates politics, you sure are a glutton for punishment.

The quote was apropos.

jdreyer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 22:30:

Chromius wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 21:44:

jdreyer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 18:07:

Chromius wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:17:
The sad thing is is how many of you believe CNN and a source of a source of a source as real news.

The brainwashing is significant in this thread.

I've posted this here before. Fox is untrue about 60% of the time compared to 20% for CNN.. Cable news sucks in general, but CNN is not that bad as these things go.

You might want to watch a documentary by Dan Rather about the Left taking over the media. If you do ANY research you will find the globalist's have taken over 90 percent of all the read and written media. Nope not conspiracy theory, its fact.

Globalism and open borders and global warming are all about profit and control.

Please post some links. I have an open mind. I'll read them.

An oldie but a goodie, Outfoxed
Outfoxed • Rupert Murdoch’s War on Journalism • FULL DOCUMENTARY FILM exposes Fox News

Chromius wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 21:44:

jdreyer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 18:07:

Chromius wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:17:
The sad thing is is how many of you believe CNN and a source of a source of a source as real news.

The brainwashing is significant in this thread.

I've posted this here before. Fox is untrue about 60% of the time compared to 20% for CNN.. Cable news sucks in general, but CNN is not that bad as these things go.

You might want to watch a documentary by Dan Rather about the Left taking over the media. If you do ANY research you will find the globalist's have taken over 90 percent of all the read and written media. Nope not conspiracy theory, its fact.

Globalism and open borders and global warming are all about profit and control.

Please post some links. I have an open mind. I'll read them.

Kxmode wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 20:42:
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

/drops mic/

For someone who hates politics, you sure are a glutton for punishment.

Jeraxle wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 18:59:

Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 18:50:

Jeraxle wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 18:34:

jdreyer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 18:07:

I've posted this here before. Fox is untrue about 60% of the time compared to 20% for CNN.. Cable news sucks in general, but CNN is not that bad as these things go.

This is the problem with most discourse on the internet. Not picking a fight, just pointing out a fact. You linked to a horribly left leaning, democrat funded website and use that as your basis of "fact" without taking into consideration the source.

Of course Politifact is going to say that the right leaning news organization is wrong most of the time. It's called control.

Again, sources. Where are your sources that Politifact is "democrat funded?"
Please cite a source that isn't very clearly biased, such as The Blaze.

Here you go, Politifact's own website. Politifact
Democracy Fund was started by Pierre Omidyar, EBay founder. Huffington Post Op Ed by Pierre OmidyarDemocracy fund also was a major donor of the HRC campaign.

All using left leaning sources.

Edited for format

None of the links you posted supports your claim. "Who pays for Politifact" shows a variety of sources, most of which fund other media outlets, none of them left wing. The Democracy Fund also supports nonpartisan clients exclusively: Aspen Institute, Pew, Bipartisan Policy Center,etc. And third party evaluations of Politifact return unbiased ratings.

As for that Op Ed, he's advocating for transparency and effectiveness in government. How are those things left wing? And any smart person would donate to HRC to prevent a Trump presidency. You don't need to be left wing for that, just smart.

Globalism and open borders and global warming are all about profit and control.

Is there a side that isn't about profit and control? Last I checked control was inevitable, profit comes along for the ride, and it was all about who you want it going to.