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ESA Rebukes President Trump

The Entertainment Software Association has stepped into the fray with President Trump after his widely reported comments about immigration where the POTUS allegedly decried those who emigrate from "shithole" countries. Polygon has the following response from the ESA:

"America’s greatness is built on our diversity," reads the ESA’s statement. "The president’s repulsive comments undermine the fundamental values of who we are as a country. There is no place in our society for this type of backward thinking, and we condemn it in the strongest terms."

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201. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 16, 2018, 20:06 dubfanatic
 
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 14, 2018, 12:58:
President Dipshit Gets “Shithole” Thrown Back in His Face: Vulgarity Projected Onto His D.C. Hotel

How can BONALD BLUMPF possibly recover
 
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200. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 16, 2018, 11:17 Prez
 
Glad to see the logical, nuanced, adult discussion that Bliesnews is known for is still a thing.

 
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199. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 14, 2018, 12:58 RedEye9
 

President Dipshit Gets “Shithole” Thrown Back in His Face: Vulgarity Projected Onto His D.C. Hotel
 
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198. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 14, 2018, 10:30 RedEye9
 
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 23:09:
Redtard - I have a life, so I'm not on Blues 24/7 like you sad, sad people.

Urethrakow, You're such a big boy with your big boy pants changing people names, it requires a lot of effort as you can see.
You may have noticed that when a thread reaches 100 or so posts and someone deliberately adds a /rhetorical or /sarcasm (or both in this case) that it might not refer to you.

It really does not seem that you have much of a life after all. You sad boy.
 
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197. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 14, 2018, 02:45 NKD
 
Quboid wrote on Jan 14, 2018, 01:09:
Verno wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:44:
"truth weather" is the new catchphrase of this thread

I don't think this can be stressed enough BTW. This is truth weather you millennial morons get it or not. Really makes you think.

Truth weather is the thing to blame for the climate change hoax.
 
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196. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 14, 2018, 01:09 Quboid
 
Verno wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:44:
"truth weather" is the new catchphrase of this thread

I don't think this can be stressed enough BTW. This is truth weather you millennial morons get it or not. Really makes you think.
 
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195. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 14, 2018, 00:19 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 19:39:
I lived in Newark, NJ. Nice try. Now tell me who "left being ideagogues" have killed.

I assumed he was referring to Hitler and Stalin, although since both of them murdered Jews, gays, priests, gypsies, etc. etc. by the millions, you could hardly call them "left-wing."
 
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194. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 14, 2018, 00:15 Quboid
 
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 23:09:
Quboid - Isn't it funny how Nazi is (rightly) a despised ideology, yet the far left (communism), which killed far more than Hitler, never is used as a pejorative? Maybe because it hits lefties to close to home. The funny thing is, if most of the whack-job left ever got the society they wanted, they'd be the first people up against the wall. I guess they don't imagine their utopia starting with them in a mass grave...

'Maybe because it hits lefties to close to home' - do you think the alt-right and suchlike are going to hold back? "Hey guys, let's not call the libtards communists. That's mean. They'd get offended, and that's just not what we're about."

Nonsense. Obviously 'commie' and the like are used pejoratively. But again, the taboo was about *your* feelings. Like calling someone a Nazi for no good reason, calling someone a communist just makes you look stupid - which is what you're doing right here; trying to associate Beamer's position with mass killings under Communist regimes and looking stupid in the process.

However, unlike calling right-wingers Nazis, calling left-wingers commies is an ineffective insult because those snowflake lefties typically don't become too emotional to continue a discussion. Honestly, I'm not sure I could have picked a more stark example, and that you have to pretend to yourself that 4chan is worried about liberals' feelings is ludicrous.

Edit: To be clear, I don't think left-wingers are particularly thick skinned. Probably slightly more than right-wing equivalents, as your example actually shows, but there's not much thick skin to be found anywhere.

This comment was edited on Jan 14, 2018, 01:04.
 
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193. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 13, 2018, 23:09 Eirikrautha
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 19:39:
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 18:49:
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 12:08:
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 10:48:

Funny you pick coal towns as your example. I've been to Chicago and Detroit (and Philly and Baltimore). You're more likely to encounter a shithole area in a city than in the country. But it's not like you have your own biases...

Wait, I thought the charitable explanation for why people support Trump is that it had nothing to do with race and solely to do with economics: that rural, ex-industrial areas are economically depressed, and that their residents feel left behind and looked down upon by the thriving urban areas. If you contend that in fact rural America is better off than urban America -- laughable but lets run with it -- then why exactly do you support Trump? Because he'll call predominantly black and brown countries shitholes and can can sexually assault women and get away with it?

Who says I support Trump? I just dislike leftist ideologues more (they've led to the death of way more people, especially in the 20th century). Secondly, having lived and worked in suburbs, small Appalachian towns, and in large, urban cities (including teaching in majority minority schools), the sheer danger to the resident of any small town is nothing compared with the slums of Baltimore, Shitcago, or Detroit. The primary difference is the arrogance of the urban elites. Somehow they feel they can look down from their upper middle-class enclaves (I guarantee neither you nor Beamer have ever lived in a place like Anacostia, DC... but I don't bother challenging him about this because he'll just make shit up, as usual) and moralize about the rural U.S. It's a little like being lectured on morality by Hollywood and all it's sexual predators. Physician, heal thyself...

I lived in Newark, NJ. Nice try. Now tell me who "left being ideagogues" have killed.

Beamer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Redtard - I have a life, so I'm not on Blues 24/7 like you sad, sad people.

Quboid - Isn't it funny how Nazi is (rightly) a despised ideology, yet the far left (communism), which killed far more than Hitler, never is used as a pejorative? Maybe because it hits lefties to close to home. The funny thing is, if most of the whack-job left ever got the society they wanted, they'd be the first people up against the wall. I guess they don't imagine their utopia starting with them in a mass grave...
 
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192. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 13, 2018, 21:45 Quboid
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 19:39:
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 18:49:
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 12:08:
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 10:48:

Funny you pick coal towns as your example. I've been to Chicago and Detroit (and Philly and Baltimore). You're more likely to encounter a shithole area in a city than in the country. But it's not like you have your own biases...

Wait, I thought the charitable explanation for why people support Trump is that it had nothing to do with race and solely to do with economics: that rural, ex-industrial areas are economically depressed, and that their residents feel left behind and looked down upon by the thriving urban areas. If you contend that in fact rural America is better off than urban America -- laughable but lets run with it -- then why exactly do you support Trump? Because he'll call predominantly black and brown countries shitholes and can can sexually assault women and get away with it?

Who says I support Trump? I just dislike leftist ideologues more (they've led to the death of way more people, especially in the 20th century). Secondly, having lived and worked in suburbs, small Appalachian towns, and in large, urban cities (including teaching in majority minority schools), the sheer danger to the resident of any small town is nothing compared with the slums of Baltimore, Shitcago, or Detroit. The primary difference is the arrogance of the urban elites. Somehow they feel they can look down from their upper middle-class enclaves (I guarantee neither you nor Beamer have ever lived in a place like Anacostia, DC... but I don't bother challenging him about this because he'll just make shit up, as usual) and moralize about the rural U.S. It's a little like being lectured on morality by Hollywood and all it's sexual predators. Physician, heal thyself...

I lived in Newark, NJ. Nice try. Now tell me who "left being ideagogues" have killed.

You're left-leaning, therefore you're basically Stalin. Remember, calling your opponent a Nazi is taboo. Calling your opponent worse than a Nazi is A-OK.
 
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191. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 13, 2018, 21:20 RedEye9
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 19:39:
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 18:49:
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 12:08:
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 10:48:

Funny you pick coal towns as your example. I've been to Chicago and Detroit (and Philly and Baltimore). You're more likely to encounter a shithole area in a city than in the country. But it's not like you have your own biases...

Wait, I thought the charitable explanation for why people support Trump is that it had nothing to do with race and solely to do with economics: that rural, ex-industrial areas are economically depressed, and that their residents feel left behind and looked down upon by the thriving urban areas. If you contend that in fact rural America is better off than urban America -- laughable but lets run with it -- then why exactly do you support Trump? Because he'll call predominantly black and brown countries shitholes and can can sexually assault women and get away with it?

Who says I support Trump? I just dislike leftist ideologues more (they've led to the death of way more people, especially in the 20th century). Secondly, having lived and worked in suburbs, small Appalachian towns, and in large, urban cities (including teaching in majority minority schools), the sheer danger to the resident of any small town is nothing compared with the slums of Baltimore, Shitcago, or Detroit. The primary difference is the arrogance of the urban elites. Somehow they feel they can look down from their upper middle-class enclaves (I guarantee neither you nor Beamer have ever lived in a place like Anacostia, DC... but I don't bother challenging him about this because he'll just make shit up, as usual) and moralize about the rural U.S. It's a little like being lectured on morality by Hollywood and all it's sexual predators. Physician, heal thyself...

I lived in Newark, NJ. Nice try. Now tell me who "left being ideagogues" have killed.
@Beamer
Why is it when you ask for proof or call someone out they never respond.
No one ever asks the dotus to provide proof for all of his bullshit so what makes you think you can do that here.
/sarcasm /rhetorical
 
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190. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 13, 2018, 19:39 Beamer
 
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 18:49:
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 12:08:
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 10:48:

Funny you pick coal towns as your example. I've been to Chicago and Detroit (and Philly and Baltimore). You're more likely to encounter a shithole area in a city than in the country. But it's not like you have your own biases...

Wait, I thought the charitable explanation for why people support Trump is that it had nothing to do with race and solely to do with economics: that rural, ex-industrial areas are economically depressed, and that their residents feel left behind and looked down upon by the thriving urban areas. If you contend that in fact rural America is better off than urban America -- laughable but lets run with it -- then why exactly do you support Trump? Because he'll call predominantly black and brown countries shitholes and can can sexually assault women and get away with it?

Who says I support Trump? I just dislike leftist ideologues more (they've led to the death of way more people, especially in the 20th century). Secondly, having lived and worked in suburbs, small Appalachian towns, and in large, urban cities (including teaching in majority minority schools), the sheer danger to the resident of any small town is nothing compared with the slums of Baltimore, Shitcago, or Detroit. The primary difference is the arrogance of the urban elites. Somehow they feel they can look down from their upper middle-class enclaves (I guarantee neither you nor Beamer have ever lived in a place like Anacostia, DC... but I don't bother challenging him about this because he'll just make shit up, as usual) and moralize about the rural U.S. It's a little like being lectured on morality by Hollywood and all it's sexual predators. Physician, heal thyself...

I lived in Newark, NJ. Nice try. Now tell me who "left being ideagogues" have killed.
 
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189. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 13, 2018, 18:49 Eirikrautha
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 12:08:
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 10:48:

Funny you pick coal towns as your example. I've been to Chicago and Detroit (and Philly and Baltimore). You're more likely to encounter a shithole area in a city than in the country. But it's not like you have your own biases...

Wait, I thought the charitable explanation for why people support Trump is that it had nothing to do with race and solely to do with economics: that rural, ex-industrial areas are economically depressed, and that their residents feel left behind and looked down upon by the thriving urban areas. If you contend that in fact rural America is better off than urban America -- laughable but lets run with it -- then why exactly do you support Trump? Because he'll call predominantly black and brown countries shitholes and can can sexually assault women and get away with it?

Who says I support Trump? I just dislike leftist ideologues more (they've led to the death of way more people, especially in the 20th century). Secondly, having lived and worked in suburbs, small Appalachian towns, and in large, urban cities (including teaching in majority minority schools), the sheer danger to the resident of any small town is nothing compared with the slums of Baltimore, Shitcago, or Detroit. The primary difference is the arrogance of the urban elites. Somehow they feel they can look down from their upper middle-class enclaves (I guarantee neither you nor Beamer have ever lived in a place like Anacostia, DC... but I don't bother challenging him about this because he'll just make shit up, as usual) and moralize about the rural U.S. It's a little like being lectured on morality by Hollywood and all it's sexual predators. Physician, heal thyself...
 
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188. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 13, 2018, 16:22 RedEye9
 

8 dRumpf tweets that did real damage
 
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187. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 13, 2018, 12:08 Scottish Martial Arts
 
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 10:48:

Funny you pick coal towns as your example. I've been to Chicago and Detroit (and Philly and Baltimore). You're more likely to encounter a shithole area in a city than in the country. But it's not like you have your own biases...

Wait, I thought the charitable explanation for why people support Trump is that it had nothing to do with race and solely to do with economics: that rural, ex-industrial areas are economically depressed, and that their residents feel left behind and looked down upon by the thriving urban areas. If you contend that in fact rural America is better off than urban America -- laughable but lets run with it -- then why exactly do you support Trump? Because he'll call predominantly black and brown countries shitholes and can can sexually assault women and get away with it?
 
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186. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 13, 2018, 11:06 Beamer
 
Eirikrautha wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 10:48:
Beamer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 09:20:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 04:46:
opie wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 00:23:
Something the Left doesn't understand, most people don't give a shit what was said. Hell, some would agree with him.
This only makes people that like him, like him more. And those that hate him, keep on hating. Nothing changes.

I believe Trump is a result of the PC left pushing too hard, too fast and the country saying "no more". But this is just my opinion.

What is funny on this forum, is that the seemingly liberal posters will always be the first to drop to personal attacks. Way to keep it classy.

In 1970, the US population was 90% white. Today is is approaching 50% and falling. The election of Trump has nothing to do with the "PC left" and everything to do with whites feeling that they're "losing" the country to "the other." It's the last gasps of white privilege and the idea that, to be American one must be white, preferably male. I say that as a white male living in a region that is only 25% white, yet is economically thriving with almost no racial strife. Humans are humans, and the thing that makes a strong economy is education level. When humans have a good education, they become moral, secular, and qempathetic, regardless of race.

I believe this is much of it. Especially in white concentrated areas where it truly is the other. There's a reason big cities care less - we're already surrounded by other, we know them, we see them daily, we eat at with them, etc.

Also, let's not pretend America isn't full of shitholes. I know plenty here have been to coal towns.

Funny you pick coal towns as your example. I've been to Chicago and Detroit (and Philly and Baltimore). You're more likely to encounter a shithole area in a city than in the country. But it's not like you have your own biases...

There's a difference, no?
Those cities have plenty of thriving businesses. Fewer than they should, but they exist. Even Detroit still has Ford.

What do coal towns have?
What percentage of Detroit is on welfare vs most coal towns?

You claim I have a bias, but Baltimore is objectively less shitty than nearly any coal town. Baltimore is like 90% shitty. Coal towns are nearer to 100%.

In any case, I've spent more time in coal towns than Chicago, Detroit, Philly, and Baltimore. But I have been to all of them, and have spent plenty of time in rural Kentucky.
How many states have you lived in? How many different regions? How many people not white do you have in your daily life?
 
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185. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 13, 2018, 10:48 Eirikrautha
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 09:20:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 04:46:
opie wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 00:23:
Something the Left doesn't understand, most people don't give a shit what was said. Hell, some would agree with him.
This only makes people that like him, like him more. And those that hate him, keep on hating. Nothing changes.

I believe Trump is a result of the PC left pushing too hard, too fast and the country saying "no more". But this is just my opinion.

What is funny on this forum, is that the seemingly liberal posters will always be the first to drop to personal attacks. Way to keep it classy.

In 1970, the US population was 90% white. Today is is approaching 50% and falling. The election of Trump has nothing to do with the "PC left" and everything to do with whites feeling that they're "losing" the country to "the other." It's the last gasps of white privilege and the idea that, to be American one must be white, preferably male. I say that as a white male living in a region that is only 25% white, yet is economically thriving with almost no racial strife. Humans are humans, and the thing that makes a strong economy is education level. When humans have a good education, they become moral, secular, and qempathetic, regardless of race.

I believe this is much of it. Especially in white concentrated areas where it truly is the other. There's a reason big cities care less - we're already surrounded by other, we know them, we see them daily, we eat at with them, etc.

Also, let's not pretend America isn't full of shitholes. I know plenty here have been to coal towns.

Funny you pick coal towns as your example. I've been to Chicago and Detroit (and Philly and Baltimore). You're more likely to encounter a shithole area in a city than in the country. But it's not like you have your own biases...
 
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184. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 13, 2018, 10:35 Quboid
 
Thanks eRe4s3r, that's an interesting read. Thumbsup  
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183. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 13, 2018, 10:08 eRe4s3r
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 04:55:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 01:11:
Well as a German I have no bias to any of your political stuff

Given that you're a German, what do you think of the effect that a half million immigrants coming into your country in the past year have had?

Effect? On housing situation? Nearly zero (It was horrible bad even before the wave), on job market? Even less than zero, turns out most jobs where I live don't hire people that can't speak German, who'd have thought! Turns also out that learning German is apparently frigging hard and only children really managed that, met a girl 13 with (I am guessing) syrian mother and father in supermarket and she asked me in nearly perfect German how the weighting station for fruit worked. Turns out I knew that, because I was.. well, kinda weighting fruits at the moment. Whatever, explained and the parents thanked me and were apparently happy someone actually explained that to them. (For this to understand you have to know that you can buy fruits "loose" but you have to weigh them yourself in our supermarket) and there ain't any personal around to help you.... oh well, also our supermarket has as a feature "0 personal cash-outs" where 1 employee looks over 10 cash-outs that are basically requiring you to do your thing.

So my personal impressions are actually pretty positive. Although I doubt that is indicative of the greater situation.

On the other hand you got the Sylvester incident, you got the Breitscheid Platz incident... you got the various knife attack incidents.... statistically illegal immigrants (not accepted refugees!) are around twice as criminal as local citizens. BUt that's because they 4 times as many young people than old people. So they are actually (statistically) less criminal than Germany. But the statistics .. well let's just say they don't help the public opinion, fact is without Merkels decision these criminals would not be here.

But yeah. To say we have a heated political climate in German is the understatement of the century. We have the AFD, the first time since... I can't even.. I think since 1946 we have a political right wing party that is not just in the parliament but also the strongest opposition party. (If we had elections today the SPD would likely fall below the AFD) that's the kind of situation we have nowadays. It isn't exactly pretty.

I also want to say, Refugees with papers/documents.. assuming they flee from violent prosecution (by ISIS or others) are imo always acceptable, though I would deny entry to anyone that doesn't have papers, birth certs and passport.

For that to understand you have to realize, our gov doesn't check age. You can claim you are 16 with beard and everything, and it later turns out you are 30? Well shit eh, but nothing will happen to you if you lie. So we put adults in children education with OUR children and those children from other refugees who didn't lie. It's one of the current topics here....

So you see, we having a lot of "fun"

Ps.: Whoops, forgot to explain why that with the jobs is. Well, turns out if you are here illegally or your asylum has been denied, you are legally barred from working in the entire EU so maybe that is the reason impact on jobs is small, impact on crime substantial. Though most crime is immigrants vs immigrants.

PPs.: Also important to remember, Syrians? Yeah, they get refugee status (and are allowed to take jobs and bring families), everyone else though? Not so much.

Essentially Germany has made illegal immigrant a caste thing, you are Syrian you got it good, but everyone else, often from countries far worse off than Syria, we just sent back or deny any support. That's not something anyone tells those refugees before they come here apparently. (Cameroon comes to mind, I pity every single one who comes here from there, they got a 0.06% chance of acceptance .

Aside that we also have a lot of "fun" with kicking people out (rather some of our left wing parties and the federal states they rule don't really "do" it properly. Basically a complex political clusterfuck
 
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182. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 13, 2018, 09:20 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 04:46:
opie wrote on Jan 13, 2018, 00:23:
Something the Left doesn't understand, most people don't give a shit what was said. Hell, some would agree with him.
This only makes people that like him, like him more. And those that hate him, keep on hating. Nothing changes.

I believe Trump is a result of the PC left pushing too hard, too fast and the country saying "no more". But this is just my opinion.

What is funny on this forum, is that the seemingly liberal posters will always be the first to drop to personal attacks. Way to keep it classy.

In 1970, the US population was 90% white. Today is is approaching 50% and falling. The election of Trump has nothing to do with the "PC left" and everything to do with whites feeling that they're "losing" the country to "the other." It's the last gasps of white privilege and the idea that, to be American one must be white, preferably male. I say that as a white male living in a region that is only 25% white, yet is economically thriving with almost no racial strife. Humans are humans, and the thing that makes a strong economy is education level. When humans have a good education, they become moral, secular, and qempathetic, regardless of race.

I believe this is much of it. Especially in white concentrated areas where it truly is the other. There's a reason big cities care less - we're already surrounded by other, we know them, we see them daily, we eat at with them, etc.

Also, let's not pretend America isn't full of shitholes. I know plenty here have been to coal towns.
 
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