MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 14:12:

jdreyer wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 12:50:

Henry Dorsett wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 03:58:

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 02:13:
Netflix makes some good stuff; Mindhunters, Travellers, etc.

If that's what you qualify as Netflix's "good stuff," I think we can all safely ignore you opinion on films and television. You, like the critics, are entitled to your opinion. It just happens to be, you know, pretty disingenuous to ding the movie for a lack of subtlety or not enough world-building when it's really God damn clear from the start that it's supposed to be an easily-accessible action-fantasy film.

You're in a pretty small minority if you think Mindhunters isn't good: Metacritic 79 with a user score of 8.4. IMDB score of 8.7, etc. Travelers also sitting at 8.0 on IMDB. So when you say "we can ignore" I'll assume you're using the "royal" we.

It'd be crazy if we ALL agreed on exactly the same things, even in a forum as small as this one. If we did, I'd probably stop coming here, it'd be too weird.

I can see not liking Mindhunters... it's well done, but it's based on faulty pseudo-science. It may even be encouraging the concept of profiling in the public view, but then again there have been a dozen movies and TV shows about that crap.

Travellers starts off as pretty simple sci-fi, and doesn't even hint at anything great until late in the first season(But they are great hints, which is why I'm still interested! ). I'm a few episodes into the second season, and I'm afraid they may chicken out from the hardcore sci-fi path, since the show got a little popular. We'll see.

Completely agree. Henry, however, was trying to paint you as outside the mainstream consensus, when you were well within it.

Someone was wrong on the internet, and I could not let that stand!

jdreyer wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 12:50:

Henry Dorsett wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 03:58:

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 02:13:
Netflix makes some good stuff; Mindhunters, Travellers, etc.

If that's what you qualify as Netflix's "good stuff," I think we can all safely ignore you opinion on films and television. You, like the critics, are entitled to your opinion. It just happens to be, you know, pretty disingenuous to ding the movie for a lack of subtlety or not enough world-building when it's really God damn clear from the start that it's supposed to be an easily-accessible action-fantasy film.

You're in a pretty small minority if you think Mindhunters isn't good: Metacritic 79 with a user score of 8.4. IMDB score of 8.7, etc. Travelers also sitting at 8.0 on IMDB. So when you say "we can ignore" I'll assume you're using the "royal" we.

It'd be crazy if we ALL agreed on exactly the same things, even in a forum as small as this one. If we did, I'd probably stop coming here, it'd be too weird.

I can see not liking Mindhunters... it's well done, but it's based on faulty pseudo-science. It may even be encouraging the concept of profiling in the public view, but then again there have been a dozen movies and TV shows about that crap.

Travellers starts off as pretty simple sci-fi, and doesn't even hint at anything great until late in the first season(But they are great hints, which is why I'm still interested! ). I'm a few episodes into the second season, and I'm afraid they may chicken out from the hardcore sci-fi path, since the show got a little popular. We'll see.

jdreyer wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 12:55:
So Bright (low critic score, high audience score) is the anti-Last Jedi (high critic score, low audience score).

My thoughts exactly. That being said I would not have gone to the theatre to see it, but instead waited for the dvd.

So Bright (low critic score, high audience score) is the anti-Last Jedi (high critic score, low audience score).

Henry Dorsett wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 03:58:

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 02:13:
Netflix makes some good stuff; Mindhunters, Travellers, etc.

If that's what you qualify as Netflix's "good stuff," I think we can all safely ignore you opinion on films and television. You, like the critics, are entitled to your opinion. It just happens to be, you know, pretty disingenuous to ding the movie for a lack of subtlety or not enough world-building when it's really God damn clear from the start that it's supposed to be an easily-accessible action-fantasy film.

You're in a pretty small minority if you think Mindhunters isn't good: Metacritic 79 with a user score of 8.4. IMDB score of 8.7, etc. Travelers also sitting at 8.0 on IMDB. So when you say "we can ignore" I'll assume you're using the "royal" we.

Netflix knows what they are doing. They have a lot better sense of what their subscribers want to see than critics or even other film producers. And since their subscribers are the only ones paying them, well, their opinion is the only one that matters.

I suspect Netflix will make a lot of movies that critics dislike but that score highly on Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic user reviews, and thus, score highly on giving them subscribers and retention.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 09:22:

Beamer wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 08:40:

Red886 wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 23:24:
so called professional critics hate Bright, but everyone else , including those whom decidedly watch more movies than these critics, likes it.

Seemingly every prof critic's work is now tainted with politics.

If they are paid to write reviews, they aren't "so called." I generally find only the ignorant use that insult. It isn't a good look.

And the bright trailer was miserable. It was like Suicide Squad with obvious race relation parables jammed in. I can't believe so many here even tried it.

Then believe that it got 89% at rotten tomatoes and metacritic users gave it a 7.4 or 74 if you will.
Get over yourself.

There are currently 4,000 Michael Bay Transformers movies.
I don't trust user reviews. Users are dumb.

Beamer wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 08:40:

Red886 wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 23:24:
so called professional critics hate Bright, but everyone else , including those whom decidedly watch more movies than these critics, likes it.

Seemingly every prof critic's work is now tainted with politics.

If they are paid to write reviews, they aren't "so called." I generally find only the ignorant use that insult. It isn't a good look.

And the bright trailer was miserable. It was like Suicide Squad with obvious race relation parables jammed in. I can't believe so many here even tried it.

Then believe that it got 89% at rotten tomatoes and metacritic users gave it a 7.4 or 74 if you will.
Get over yourself.

Red886 wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 23:24:
so called professional critics hate Bright, but everyone else , including those whom decidedly watch more movies than these critics, likes it.

Seemingly every prof critic's work is now tainted with politics.

If they are paid to write reviews, they aren't "so called." I generally find only the ignorant use that insult. It isn't a good look.

And the bright trailer was miserable. It was like Suicide Squad with obvious race relation parables jammed in. I can't believe so many here even tried it.

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 06:24:

Kajetan wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 06:17:

Asmodai wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 21:58:
Comments on the linked article say it all. Almost all of them are positive about the movie and many of them point out the glaring disparity between what the critics think is good and what the people do.

European critics mostly liked Bright. Different cultural background, no quarrel with BLM and other political themes.

That's probably spot on.

I quite liked it, bit shadowrun like, Always wonder why there is not more stuff made with settings like this.

Kajetan wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 06:17:

Asmodai wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 21:58:
Comments on the linked article say it all. Almost all of them are positive about the movie and many of them point out the glaring disparity between what the critics think is good and what the people do.

European critics mostly liked Bright. Different cultural background, no quarrel with BLM and other political themes.

That's probably spot on.

Asmodai wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 21:58:
Comments on the linked article say it all. Almost all of them are positive about the movie and many of them point out the glaring disparity between what the critics think is good and what the people do.

European critics mostly liked Bright. Different cultural background, no quarrel with BLM and other political themes.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 02:13:
Netflix makes some good stuff; Mindhunters, Travellers, etc.

If that's what you qualify as Netflix's "good stuff," I think we can all safely ignore you opinion on films and television. You, like the critics, are entitled to your opinion. It just happens to be, you know, pretty disingenuous to ding the movie for a lack of subtlety or not enough world-building when it's really God damn clear from the start that it's supposed to be an easily-accessible action-fantasy film.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 18:53:

Choobeastia wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 18:34:
So far, I haven't met anyone who hasn't liked Bright. It's not the best movie, and it has its flaws, but it's fun. I feel like the critics were watching a different movie, and I wonder if their review copy really was different somehow.

I enjoyed bright and the price was right.

I thought it was perfectly OK. I have seen much worse in the theater. It had some obvious flaws, but it I would agree that it is quite watchable.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Dec 28, 2017, 02:13:
Meh, not sure what you guys were seeing when you saw Bright, but it was a pretty bad in my opinion.

**SPOILERS BELOW**


An embarrassingly ham-fisted racial metaphor, questionable plot (If the wand is that strong, why would Noomi Rapace's Elf character ever give it away, especially if her Elf group are basically turbo ninjas?), constant contradictions('everybody' knows only Brights can use a wand, yet regular people keep grabbing it and blowing up?) What exactly were the cops going to do with the wand if they had successfully stole it? Annihilate themselves by touching it bare handed? Even if a person is a Bright, if they don't know the magic words(as shown by Will Smith), they can't do much anyway? On top of that, apparently they will be targeted by the entirety of Earth's population, who will want to kill them and take the wand?

There were a couple centaurs around, and some other less common mythical creatures, yet they were mostly background scenery. It seems like the other non-human police would have maybe had some effect on Nick the orc cop's situation?

Most importantly though, the entire movie would have been over in the first 10 minutes if the runaway elf girl had just told Smith and his partner to call the magic Feds, or spoken English to them, and anybody had any sense and called the Feds to deal with the incoming Murderous Elf Trio.

All in all, it felt like it should have been a Shadowrun movie, or any one of the halfway decent modern day-fantasy series adaptations; Dresden Files, early Anita Blake, etc. Almost any of those, as cheesy as they mostly are, have far more fleshed out worlds to be used and drawn from. Oh well.

Netflix makes some good stuff; Mindhunters, Travellers, etc. but they are also starting to pump out a ton of crap, seemingly just to fill their servers with their own content.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not cancelling Netflix in protest or something, I just felt the negative reviews of Bright were correct; it simply wasn't that good of a movie.

OCD Complaint: also the firearm sounds in Bright were mostly terible. No excuse for a $100 million dollar movie.

*EDIT* Typo.

Hard to disagree with you, but for me I watched Justice League before Bright, and if we wanna talk about bad movies.... well yeah. Also watched Blade Runner 2049 which was awesome and the plot was a true mindfuck.

Overall hard for me to call it a bad movie next to Justice League which I thought was abysmal.

And if this kind of fantasy-real-world merging can get more traction through the movie, a sequel or maybe even a episodic take on it, then I am all for it.

So its Alien Fantasy Nation?

Meh, not sure what you guys were seeing when you saw Bright, but it was a pretty bad in my opinion.

**SPOILERS BELOW**


An embarrassingly ham-fisted racial metaphor, questionable plot (If the wand is that strong, why would Noomi Rapace's Elf character ever give it away, especially if her Elf group are basically turbo ninjas?), constant contradictions('everybody' knows only Brights can use a wand, yet regular people keep grabbing it and blowing up?) What exactly were the cops going to do with the wand if they had successfully stole it? Annihilate themselves by touching it bare handed? Even if a person is a Bright, if they don't know the magic words(as shown by Will Smith), they can't do much anyway? On top of that, apparently they will be targeted by the entirety of Earth's population, who will want to kill them and take the wand?

There were a couple centaurs around, and some other less common mythical creatures, yet they were mostly background scenery. It seems like the other non-human police would have maybe had some effect on Nick the orc cop's situation?

Most importantly though, the entire movie would have been over in the first 10 minutes if the runaway elf girl had just told Smith and his partner to call the magic Feds, or spoken English to them, and anybody had any sense and called the Feds to deal with the incoming Murderous Elf Trio.

All in all, it felt like it should have been a Shadowrun movie, or any one of the halfway decent modern day-fantasy series adaptations; Dresden Files, early Anita Blake, etc. Almost any of those, as cheesy as they mostly are, have far more fleshed out worlds to be used and drawn from. Oh well.

Netflix makes some good stuff; Mindhunters, Travellers, etc. but they are also starting to pump out a ton of crap, seemingly just to fill their servers with their own content.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not cancelling Netflix in protest or something, I just felt the negative reviews of Bright were correct; it simply wasn't that good of a movie.

OCD Complaint: also the firearm sounds in Bright were mostly terible. No excuse for a $100 million dollar movie.

*EDIT* Typo.

Engadget is terrible, but that doesn't matter to Engadget.

so called professional critics hate Bright, but everyone else , including those whom decidedly watch more movies than these critics, likes it.

Seemingly every prof critic's work is now tainted with politics.

jdreyer wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 20:14:

Choobeastia wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 18:34:
So far, I haven't met anyone who hasn't liked Bright. It's not the best movie, and it has its flaws, but it's fun. I feel like the critics were watching a different movie, and I wonder if their review copy really was different somehow.

I've heard much the same, that it's good. Almost watched it with the kids the other day, but then realized it was TV-MA, so figured I'd better watch it myself first.

Contrarian for contrarian's sake.

Loved the movie but it's got that MA rating for a reason (and that reason is why I loved it) finally some bad-ass elves.