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24. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Dec 28, 2017, 19:00 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 16:46:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Dec 27, 2017, 13:40:
Lithium ion batteries are less toxic than the lead acid batteries used in conventional engines. They're actually more landfill-safe. Once the recycling for these catches up to lead acid battery recycling (around 99% in the US), then they will definitely be the safer, cleaner option.
"Once"... More like if. Many "environment saving" technologies are actually not recyclable or its so hard to do that it costs more than just to make new ones. IFor Li-Ion batteries its so hard, that manufacturers actually buy old ones to put them all together to a huge one, to have some use from them still, which of course is extremely inefficient when charging or transporting.
You should inform yourself better how these resources are being mined and by whom and what their working conditions look like. Double standards par excellence.
But if you seriously compare tiny lead acid batteries, which can actually very easily and inexpensively be recycled and thus arent that bad for the environment, and will be sucked completely dry in an hour by my stereo running alone, with maybe 40 to 120 Ah to huge batteries like in the Model S with up to 100 KWh, then I dont think its even worth continuing...

You can't just compare the pollution of the creation and operation of the battery without also including at least the operation of the vehicle that it is installed in. So you have to include the emissions and other impacts of the vehicles in the environmental footprint. I haven't found a good article that shows that full impact.
 
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