Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Dec 24, 2017, 09:21:

Fantaz wrote on Dec 23, 2017, 17:13:
soon Win7 display driver support will end from both AMD and Nvidia, I have heard internally talk from both companies. Win8.1 support is mostly gone already. it's too expensive to support multiple OSes

If you're a gamer you should have already moved to win10, win8 and win7 both have a vram limit of 4096MB with any game that uses DX9 or below. One of the reasons skyrim likes to thrash like a zombie when you use texture mods.

You have the same limit on Windows 10 if a game uses D3D9, that limit is a API limit, not a platform limit.

Fantaz wrote on Dec 23, 2017, 17:13:
soon Win7 display driver support will end from both AMD and Nvidia, I have heard internally talk from both companies. Win8.1 support is mostly gone already. it's too expensive to support multiple OSes

If you're a gamer you should have already moved to win10, win8 and win7 both have a vram limit of 4096MB with any game that uses DX9 or below. One of the reasons skyrim likes to thrash like a zombie when you use texture mods.

Good.

soon Win7 display driver support will end from both AMD and Nvidia, I have heard internally talk from both companies. Win8.1 support is mostly gone already. it's too expensive to support multiple OSes

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 23, 2017, 09:53:

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 23, 2017, 09:38:

Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Dec 23, 2017, 00:50:

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 22:48:

The GPU W10x64 driver ships with around 100mb of 32bit dll/exe files (of 440mb)

Don't ask my why, because I for sure have no clue why that could possibly be. But the impact on reducing bloat would be quite large

Won't make any difference. Because those dll's and whatnot that are included in the x64 package are for backwards compatibility for titles that don't support x32-x64. GPU's are significantly different in this process then CPU's, GPU's have no internal translation engine, CPU's do.

All this has to do with is EoL pure 32bit support for 32bit OS's.

Ah... Well I guess that would be a really ballsy move by Nvidia not to support any 32bit game hehe So only compatible check, nothing actually to do with 32bit or 64bit platforms... or basically. PR move?

No. Like MA said the 32 bit OS is EOL.

I got that. I just worded my reply weirdly due to lack of coffee ^^

I guess no bloat reduction ,P

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 23, 2017, 09:38:

Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Dec 23, 2017, 00:50:

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 22:48:

The GPU W10x64 driver ships with around 100mb of 32bit dll/exe files (of 440mb)

Don't ask my why, because I for sure have no clue why that could possibly be. But the impact on reducing bloat would be quite large

Won't make any difference. Because those dll's and whatnot that are included in the x64 package are for backwards compatibility for titles that don't support x32-x64. GPU's are significantly different in this process then CPU's, GPU's have no internal translation engine, CPU's do.

All this has to do with is EoL pure 32bit support for 32bit OS's.

Ah... Well I guess that would be a really ballsy move by Nvidia not to support any 32bit game hehe So only compatible check, nothing actually to do with 32bit or 64bit platforms... or basically. PR move?

No. Like MA said the 32 bit OS is EOL.

Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Dec 23, 2017, 00:50:

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 22:48:

The GPU W10x64 driver ships with around 100mb of 32bit dll/exe files (of 440mb)

Don't ask my why, because I for sure have no clue why that could possibly be. But the impact on reducing bloat would be quite large

Won't make any difference. Because those dll's and whatnot that are included in the x64 package are for backwards compatibility for titles that don't support x32-x64. GPU's are significantly different in this process then CPU's, GPU's have no internal translation engine, CPU's do.

All this has to do with is EoL pure 32bit support for 32bit OS's.

Ah... Well I guess that would be a really ballsy move by Nvidia not to support any 32bit game hehe So only compatible check, nothing actually to do with 32bit or 64bit platforms... or basically. PR move?

MattyC wrote on Dec 23, 2017, 04:26:
I doubt anyone still running a 32bit OS is still getting hardware new enough to really use new features or driver enhancements going forward.

Really the only people running a 32bit OS these days are the people deploying embeded systems, machine-specific installs, or because they have a software license for some esoteric hardware they absolutely can't do without(3d lathe, cnc machine, etc). Wasn't that long ago that several major real estate companies here in Canada moved off OS/2 Warp(installed in 1987 on a 16bit platform) because the machines indexed and recorded all of the real estate listings, transactions and so on. And they absolutely refused to run an emulated machine.

Well to be fair I am pretty sure the FreeBSD drivers (32 and 64) only worked about 1/2 the time anyway.

More seriously, I do actually really like BSD... just as a headless server I SSH into. As a desktop dealing with video drivers there is often a mess and as bad as the nVidia ones are the AMD ones are even worse.

I doubt anyone still running a 32bit OS is still getting hardware new enough to really use new features or driver enhancements going forward.

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 22:48:

The GPU W10x64 driver ships with around 100mb of 32bit dll/exe files (of 440mb)

Don't ask my why, because I for sure have no clue why that could possibly be. But the impact on reducing bloat would be quite large

Won't make any difference. Because those dll's and whatnot that are included in the x64 package are for backwards compatibility for titles that don't support x32-x64. GPU's are significantly different in this process then CPU's, GPU's have no internal translation engine, CPU's do.

All this has to do with is EoL pure 32bit support for 32bit OS's.

jacobvandy wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 20:53:

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 20:44:
This should reduce driver bloat by some amount.. hopefully

Would it, if there are already separate downloads for 32-bit and 64-bit versions? I remember what really bloated it up to what it is now was when they decided to make one 'International' package instead of several different ones for individual languages.

The GPU W10x64 driver ships with around 100mb of 32bit dll/exe files (of 440mb)

Don't ask my why, because I for sure have no clue why that could possibly be. But the impact on reducing bloat would be quite large

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 20:44:
This should reduce driver bloat by some amount.. hopefully

Would it, if there are already separate downloads for 32-bit and 64-bit versions? I remember what really bloated it up to what it is now was when they decided to make one 'International' package instead of several different ones for individual languages.

This should reduce driver bloat by some amount.. hopefully

about time

Heh 32 bit OS