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Re: Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 25, 2017, 21:54 |
Sepharo |
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I don't see him making any of those arguments here.
His point is that DF didn't just stick to a plain announcement of a delay but instead tried to hype the game more and hawk merchandise and/or beg for funding or something... Which didn't happen. |
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Re: Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 25, 2017, 06:49 |
007Bistromath |
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Kxmode is wrong about crowdfunding, but he's probably right about this project. Schafer is infamously irresponsible, and when somebody isn't telling him "no," he tends to overpromise as much as Molyneux. Furthermore, Psychonauts 2 is from Schafer's own purpose-built platform, Fig, which has both regular crowdfunding and this screwed up scheme where people can buy stocks in the company under a morally bankrupt legal exemption that allows you to sell stocks to normal people instead of millionaires if you're a startup.
A key element of Fig is that its terms state it's allowed to cannibalize other projects in order to get one of them published. So, even if Psychonauts 2 is delivered eventually, it'll be doing evil to other developers who've signed onto the platform as Schafer builds his signature money pyre, to say nothing of the shareholders who have been fleeced.
I loved the man's old games, but he's kind of a dickbag. He needs somebody telling him what to do or he completely loses his mind. |
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Re: Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 23, 2017, 18:39 |
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Kxmode wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 15:45:
Jerykk wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 03:21:
Kxmode wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 03:12:
Right out of the Star Citizen playbook.
- A delay announced? check
- A video to jazz people up? check
- Advertise some sort of merchandise? check
You don't have much experience with crowdfunding, do you? Those three things have occurred with pretty much every Kickstarter ever. In fact, they've occurred with almost every game ever made, crowdfunded or otherwise. Games get delayed because development is all about iteration and polish, videos are used to build hype or keep the community informed and merch is sold to further fund development and promote the game.
If Double Fine starts selling vehicles for Psychonauts 2, then your Star Citizen comparison will be accurate. Until then, it's pretty stupid.
You cannot see the connection because Psychonauts 2 isn't selling vehicles. Really? When developers (or publishers) announce delays, they typical publish them in a terse, albeit positive, manner. When Star Citizen announces delays, they sugar coat the heck out of it with tons of "but hey, LOOK at this amazing video, also, buy some merchandise" nonsense. Double Fine is copying that style of announcement for their delays sans vehicles.
Video game crowdfunding is a dog and pony show for companies who don't believe in their product enough to seek VC funding or hit up a proper publisher. VCs and publishers ask the kinds of questions and demand the types of results that crowdfunding sheeple do not.
Yikes. You are surely aware that publishers have no interest in funding games like Psychonauts 2, right? If you look at the past decade, you'll notice that most publishers stick to their established IPs developed by their own internal studios. Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc. It's extremely rare for a publisher to fund new IP from external developers. It's also increasingly rare for publishers to fund traditional single-player games that aren't open-world and don't have any multiplayer components.
There are plenty of successful crowdfunded projects that deliver exactly what they promised: Pillars of Eternity, Wasteland 2, Banner Saga, FTL, Darkest Dungeon, The Long Dark, A Hat in Time, SUPERHOT, Divinity: Original Sin 1+2, Shovel Knight, etc. It's obvious that you dislike the concept of crowdfunding but the results prove that it works.
"Never let a crisis go to waste." Video game crowdfunding developers/publishers have figured out how to turn an apparent negative into a profitable positive without a single vocal outcry from those they wish to exploit. Star Citizen is the current heavyweight champion of this shlock. Double Fine is doing it too, albeit at a less monstrous level.
Does this clarify my point?
Not really. It just clarifies that you hate crowdfunding. Delays are common in game development. If you can couple the bad news with some good news, why is that a problem? It's not like people are going to magically forget that the game is delayed. The fact that you are enraged by such a thing only shows that you have some inexplicable disdain for crowdfunding.
Star Citizen is problematic because people are spending significant amounts of money on in-game property for a game that is still a glorified tech demo. That is no way comparable to what Double Fine is doing. |
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Re: Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 23, 2017, 10:51 |
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That's an 11 minute video, so I didn't watch it, but I jumped through about every 15 seconds, and didn't see a single image of buyable merch.
What's the buyable merch they're asking us to buy? |
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Re: Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 23, 2017, 10:04 |
Sepharo |
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| Almost all of those look just like double fines. Where are you seeing them selling additional content or seeking more funding in that press release? |
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Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 22, 2017, 20:53 |
Kxmode |
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Sepharo wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 15:56:
It's standard procedure and good business sense to remind players about the good things you're doing when a game is delayed regardless of the funding source.
Yes, and most publishers do it in as precise a manner as possible without fanfare and pimping merchandise. Here are a few examples of my point.
Deus Ex Mankind Divided Delayed
https://www.deusex.com/news/Deus-Ex-Mankind-Divided-New-Release-Date
Mirror's Edge Catalyst Delayed
http://www.mirrorsedge.com/news/update-on-mirrors-edge-catalyst
Watch Dogs 2 Delay
https://news.ubisoft.com/article/watch-dogs-2-pc-gets-new-november-29-release-date/
Outlast Delayed
https://www.facebook.com/Outlastthegame/posts/893483844096917
No Mans Sky Delayed
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/05/27/no-mans-sky-coming-to-ps4-in-august/
Need For Speed PC Delayed
https://www.bluesnews.com/s/165057/need-for-speed-pc-needs-more-time
Vampyr Delayed
https://www.bluesnews.com/s/184053/vampyr-delayd
Crackdown 3 Delay
https://www.bluesnews.com/s/183150/crackdown-3-delayed
XCOM 2 Delayed
https://www.bluesnews.com/s/164634/xcom-2-delayed
"Never let a crisis go to waste." Video game crowdfunding developers/publishers have figured out how to turn an apparent negative into a profitable positive without a single vocal outcry from those they wish to exploit. Star Citizen is the current heavyweight champion of this shlock. Double Fine is doing it too, albeit at a less monstrous level.
Does this clarify my point? |
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| William Shakespeare's "Star Wars" Act I, Scene 1: Aboard the rebel ship. / Enter C-3PO and R2-D2. / C-3PO: "Now is the summer of our happiness / Made winter by this sudden, fierce attack!" / R2-D2 — Beep beep, Beep, beep, meep, squeak, beep, whee! |
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Re: Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 22, 2017, 15:56 |
Sepharo |
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| It's standard procedure and good business sense to remind players about the good things you're doing when a game is delayed regardless of the funding source. |
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Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 22, 2017, 15:45 |
Kxmode |
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Jerykk wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 03:21:
Kxmode wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 03:12:
Right out of the Star Citizen playbook.
- A delay announced? check
- A video to jazz people up? check
- Advertise some sort of merchandise? check
You don't have much experience with crowdfunding, do you? Those three things have occurred with pretty much every Kickstarter ever. In fact, they've occurred with almost every game ever made, crowdfunded or otherwise. Games get delayed because development is all about iteration and polish, videos are used to build hype or keep the community informed and merch is sold to further fund development and promote the game.
If Double Fine starts selling vehicles for Psychonauts 2, then your Star Citizen comparison will be accurate. Until then, it's pretty stupid.
You cannot see the connection because Psychonauts 2 isn't selling vehicles. Really? When developers (or publishers) announce delays, they typical publish them in a terse, albeit positive, manner. When Star Citizen announces delays, they sugar coat the heck out of it with tons of "but hey, LOOK at this amazing video, also, buy some merchandise" nonsense. Double Fine is copying that style of announcement for their delays sans vehicles.
Video game crowdfunding is a dog and pony show for companies who don't believe in their product enough to seek VC funding or hit up a proper publisher. VCs and publishers ask the kinds of questions and demand the types of results that crowdfunding sheeple do not. |
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| William Shakespeare's "Star Wars" Act I, Scene 1: Aboard the rebel ship. / Enter C-3PO and R2-D2. / C-3PO: "Now is the summer of our happiness / Made winter by this sudden, fierce attack!" / R2-D2 — Beep beep, Beep, beep, meep, squeak, beep, whee! |
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Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 22, 2017, 11:00 |
eRe4s3r |
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It wouldn't be crowdfunding without delays  At least now you understand what publishers are actually dealing with DAILY and why that whole milestone = payment system exists in game development....
Without it, you have guaranteed delays. ^^
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Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 22, 2017, 06:12 |
PacoTaco |
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| That first playable level looks pretty bad for how much time they have had. Looks like a 65-72% Meta product right now. |
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Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 22, 2017, 05:16 |
007Bistromath |
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| What do you guys think they'll pick first when they reach the "gutting other Fig projects" phase of this shell game? |
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Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 22, 2017, 03:21 |
Jerykk |
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Kxmode wrote on Dec 22, 2017, 03:12:
Right out of the Star Citizen playbook.
- A delay announced? check
- A video to jazz people up? check
- Advertise some sort of merchandise? check
You don't have much experience with crowdfunding, do you? Those three things have occurred with pretty much every Kickstarter ever. In fact, they've occurred with almost every game ever made, crowdfunded or otherwise. Games get delayed because development is all about iteration and polish, videos are used to build hype or keep the community informed and merch is sold to further fund development and promote the game.
If Double Fine starts selling vehicles for Psychonauts 2, then your Star Citizen comparison will be accurate. Until then, it's pretty stupid. |
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Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 22, 2017, 03:12 |
Kxmode |
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Right out of the Star Citizen playbook.
- A delay announced? check
- A video to jazz people up? check
- Advertise some sort of merchandise? check
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| William Shakespeare's "Star Wars" Act I, Scene 1: Aboard the rebel ship. / Enter C-3PO and R2-D2. / C-3PO: "Now is the summer of our happiness / Made winter by this sudden, fierce attack!" / R2-D2 — Beep beep, Beep, beep, meep, squeak, beep, whee! |
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Re: Psychonauts 2 Delayed |
Dec 21, 2017, 20:25 |
Sepharo |
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| Wow the most shocking news of 2017 manages to slip in right at the end. |
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