Cutter wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 13:00:
Speaking of the 80s, I actually watched some Miami Vice yesterday. Man, that was just such a great show. I hear Vin Diesel wants to reboot it, sigh. MV worked for the time because Miami had all the Cocaine Cowboys and it was crazy during that period. The reality is completely different today. You can't recapture that sort of magic. It was just the right show for the right place and time. Man, I still remember so many guys walking around in 84/85 trying to rock the Sonny look, heh.

I never got into that series, but loved its theme song! Actually, a lot of 80s theme songs like Knight Rider, Air Wolf, etc.

Blue wrote on Dec 21, 2017, 08:42:

SlimRam wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 22:11:
Hey Blue, you've probably answered this question 100 times before but... what did you do at MTV? Is that where you met the missus?

Also, at the 2:28 mark Nina was TOTALLY checking you out, you should have dropped the hammer sir!

Haha, not sure how I missed all the obvious signs.

I started at MTV in the programming department calling people part time with music surveys (hence the teenager part). I eventually moved to VH-1 programming where I scheduled the promos, and later the music. Then I joined production at VH-1 as an associate producer where I did VJ segments and produced the countdown show.

What did you do after that? Quake News?

Hard to see due to VHS tape quality. Ha! What else were you in?

The guy with straight blonde hair parted in the middle looks super creepy...

This required a study? Gee, thanks, Captain Obvious.

SlimRam wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 22:11:
Hey Blue, you've probably answered this question 100 times before but... what did you do at MTV? Is that where you met the missus?

Also, at the 2:28 mark Nina was TOTALLY checking you out, you should have dropped the hammer sir!

Haha, not sure how I missed all the obvious signs.

I started at MTV in the programming department calling people part time with music surveys (hence the teenager part). I eventually moved to VH-1 programming where I scheduled the promos, and later the music. Then I joined production at VH-1 as an associate producer where I did VJ segments and produced the countdown show.

jdreyer wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 14:21:
It is polite to say only good things about the dead.

The cardinal is dead. Good.

Mazel Tov

That video was like, totally righteous Blue. The 80's rocked.

Hey Blue, you've probably answered this question 100 times before but... what did you do at MTV? Is that where you met the missus?

Also, at the 2:28 mark Nina was TOTALLY checking you out, you should have dropped the hammer sir!

Pigeon wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 19:01:

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 15:46:

Pigeon wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 15:21:

My car has 17"s but also comes in 19"s. I've been given a loaner with the the 19"s when I was having warranty work done and didn't really notice the difference. IMO it comes down to how much you like the look of the larger tires vs. the increased cost of up keep.

All things being equal (and that your car and suspension is designed/tuned for the size, sidewall height stays proportional etc) a taller tire will provide a more comfortable ride.
Imagine driving around on 4 inch tires, you would feel every imperfection in the road that a 14" tire would roll over with ease.

The issue with taller tires is that generally they decrease in aspect ratio (sidewall height) and have to make up for it with stiffer sidewalls, therefore decreasing the vehicles effective suspension.

Well when you're looking at different trims of the same car the tire size is really rim size. So a 19" rim is going to have a shorter sidewall than a 17" rim. I don't think the actual tire size changes at all, just the rim. Having a physically larger tire would require more work than just swapping out tires.

Sorry, i was not actually responding to your post as much as i was expounding on my minuscule tire knowledge.
This site does a good job of explaining tire size changes. https://www.thoughtco.com/plus-and-minus-sizing-your-tires-3234471
Be aware of speedo changes because Five-0 ain't gonna give a hoot about the "new-shoes" on your whip.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 15:46:

Pigeon wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 15:21:

My car has 17"s but also comes in 19"s. I've been given a loaner with the the 19"s when I was having warranty work done and didn't really notice the difference. IMO it comes down to how much you like the look of the larger tires vs. the increased cost of up keep.

All things being equal (and that your car and suspension is designed/tuned for the size, sidewall height stays proportional etc) a taller tire will provide a more comfortable ride.
Imagine driving around on 4 inch tires, you would feel every imperfection in the road that a 14" tire would roll over with ease.

The issue with taller tires is that generally they decrease in aspect ratio (sidewall height) and have to make up for it with stiffer sidewalls, therefore decreasing the vehicles effective suspension.

Well when you're looking at different trims of the same car the tire size is really rim size. So a 19" rim is going to have a shorter sidewall than a 17" rim. I don't think the actual tire size changes at all, just the rim. Having a physically larger tire would require more work than just swapping out tires.

jdreyer wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 14:21:
It is polite to say only good things about the dead.

The cardinal is dead. Good.

IKR My first thought was, the world is a better place today.

Creston wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 10:47:

"We have a responsibility to ensure that research with infectious agents is conducted responsibly, and that we consider the potential biosafety and biosecurity risks associated with such research,"

"However, we ignore that responsibility wherever and whenever we can. Don't worry, though. When we let a super-deadly virus escape, we'll just hide behind corporate legalism and bullshit for months just to cover our asses, while all of you die horrible, horrible deaths."

Yay, America. Are you guys getting tired of all the Win yet? I know I am. SO. MUCH. WIN.

Your intake of sodium is rather high.

Dirwulf wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 18:00:
Billy Squier's middle name is Haislip. Pretty close to Heaslip and probably pronounced the same.

Did not know that... they are pronounced the same, which is the way he spells it, but my side of my family pronounces it wrong (hess-lip). I would imagine it's a family name for him. As far as I know, all of us with the various spellings are relatives to some degree.

Billy Squier's middle name is Haislip. Pretty close to Heaslip and probably pronounced the same.

petition
Done deal
All righty now, we can do this.

Creston wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 17:31:

Beamer wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 15:58:
You get what you pay for with tires, as well.

I had Falkens, purchased on sale, and eventually moved up to the Consumer Reports highest rated Michelin's. They were maybe $30 more per tire. But the difference in ride quality was shocking.

Weird. I've had Falkens on my mazda 6 and my wife's Fiesta, and they are very comfortable tires. Also grip like a champ, and have little road noise to them. I quite enjoy Falken tires. (And Mercedes and Porsche put Falkens on their mid-range cars, so clearly they're pretty good.)

They were likely lower end Falkens and top tier Michelins.

I was the second person to sign the petition as Rocker F.
I don't know if this petition will make it {wink}

should go back and do a RedEye

Beamer wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 15:58:
You get what you pay for with tires, as well.

I had Falkens, purchased on sale, and eventually moved up to the Consumer Reports highest rated Michelin's. They were maybe $30 more per tire. But the difference in ride quality was shocking.

Weird. I've had Falkens on my mazda 6 and my wife's Fiesta, and they are very comfortable tires. Also grip like a champ, and have little road noise to them. I quite enjoy Falken tires. (And Mercedes and Porsche put Falkens on their mid-range cars, so clearly they're pretty good.)

Cutter wrote on Dec 20, 2017, 14:34:
So I reckon the Steam sale is starting tomorrow, jah?

Any car guys have thoughts on tires/rims? In my research it seems to be that smaller rims and tires 15/16" provide a more comfortable ride and better fuel economy. Is that true? I've honestly never given a lot of thought to tyres/rims. I do know however I don't like those stupid large ones and low profile tires that hip hop artists all seem to be enamored with.

I just ask because the models I'm looking at range from 16/17/18 inch depending on the package. Can you get a better package with the smaller tires and corresponding price break?

Well... That's not a simple question to answer, really. It depends.

Typically a smaller diameter tire also has a smaller tire width. In such cases, a smaller tire does get you better mileage. This is simple physics, it's a smaller amount of rubber causing resistance on the road, thus your engine has to work less hard. Not sure how much it breaks down to, I'm guessing a couple percent per 10mm or so?

But if you go from a 215/65R16 to a 215/60R15 (numbers pulled out of my ass, don't kill me if there is no such thing as a 215/60R15), it's not really going to make much difference.

I would imagine a smaller tire would be slightly easier to turn, torgue wise, so your engine potentially would have to work a miniscule amount less, maybe? Though that's likely more to do with the tire width, again, than the diameter of the wheel.

Whether it gives better ride comfort... I would imagine that has more to do with the compound of the tire and the stiffness of the suspension than the wheel size on it. I never really noticed much difference between 15s and 16s. My Mustang has 18s, but it's got a pretty stiff suspension, so the ride comfort is definitely less than the 16s I had on my Mazda 6.

Obviously the tires themselves will be cheaper if you go smaller, but I don't think you're really going to do yourself many favors if you drop 2 inches or more on your car. Your car was designed and calibrated to have an X" diameter wheel on it, not one that's 2 inches smaller.

Furthermore, you'd have to buy new rims too, so that'd likely wipe out any real savings you'd see?

In any case, long story short, imho never skimp on tires. They're the only thing between you sitting there, heart racing, thanking yourself for spending money on good tires, and you sitting there moaning with your face in your airbag and your car halfway up someone's trunk.