jdreyer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 22:49:

Beamer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 15:01:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:43:

Beamer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:20:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 12:22:
Gotta agree with Cutter. These kinds of technologies will herald in great improvements in safety, efficiency, and cost, while creating a new class of poor, unemployed workers. If the government doesn't proactively address it (something it's been very poor at doing in the past several decades) it's a recipe for massive social unrest, the kind we haven't seen since the civil rights era.

Trucker is already a bad job. As in a really bad job. Well paying, but keeps people from their families for significant lengths of time (which may be a benefit to some), has them work dangerous hours, has huge penalties for things often beyond their control, etc.

I don't know how we help truckers today, but there's a good reason to make sure we don't have any new truckers.

Sitting for extended periods is also really bad for your health. Maybe they should have standing trucker cabs.

Don't be stupid.
It should be a steering wheel with a treadmill underneath.

Or make the cab leg powered, Flintstones style!

Eirikrautha wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 21:32:

Cutter wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 17:27:

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:10:
It's gonna be like Hunger Games, where all the plebs have nothing to do but live off the land or entertain the ultra rich.

No, actually it'll be more like Red October or the French Revolution with the elites getting their fucking heads cut off and the wealth redistributed to the people. I'd actually like to see that. Viva la Revolucion! Viva Che! Power to the People!

Yeah. Except the wealth never got redistributed to the "people," just to the new elites. Who then sent all of the people who helped them revolt to the guillotine next. Great plan, there...

Cutter wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 17:25:
Actually given the massive shortage of drivers it's actually become a lot better job where drivers can set what they will and won't work. That aside I'll never understand why they weren't building more railways. It's just so much more cost-effective and efficient in the long run. Saying nothing of the environmental benefits to boot.

Beamer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 15:01:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:43:

Beamer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:20:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 12:22:
Gotta agree with Cutter. These kinds of technologies will herald in great improvements in safety, efficiency, and cost, while creating a new class of poor, unemployed workers. If the government doesn't proactively address it (something it's been very poor at doing in the past several decades) it's a recipe for massive social unrest, the kind we haven't seen since the civil rights era.

Trucker is already a bad job. As in a really bad job. Well paying, but keeps people from their families for significant lengths of time (which may be a benefit to some), has them work dangerous hours, has huge penalties for things often beyond their control, etc.

I don't know how we help truckers today, but there's a good reason to make sure we don't have any new truckers.

Sitting for extended periods is also really bad for your health. Maybe they should have standing trucker cabs.

Don't be stupid.
It should be a steering wheel with a treadmill underneath.

Cutter wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 17:27:

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:10:
It's gonna be like Hunger Games, where all the plebs have nothing to do but live off the land or entertain the ultra rich.

No, actually it'll be more like Red October or the French Revolution with the elites getting their fucking heads cut off and the wealth redistributed to the people. I'd actually like to see that. Viva la Revolucion! Viva Che! Power to the People!

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:10:
It's gonna be like Hunger Games, where all the plebs have nothing to do but live off the land or entertain the ultra rich.

jdreyer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:43:

Beamer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:20:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 12:22:
Gotta agree with Cutter. These kinds of technologies will herald in great improvements in safety, efficiency, and cost, while creating a new class of poor, unemployed workers. If the government doesn't proactively address it (something it's been very poor at doing in the past several decades) it's a recipe for massive social unrest, the kind we haven't seen since the civil rights era.

Trucker is already a bad job. As in a really bad job. Well paying, but keeps people from their families for significant lengths of time (which may be a benefit to some), has them work dangerous hours, has huge penalties for things often beyond their control, etc.

I don't know how we help truckers today, but there's a good reason to make sure we don't have any new truckers.

Sitting for extended periods is also really bad for your health. Maybe they should have standing trucker cabs.

Beamer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:20:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 12:22:
Gotta agree with Cutter. These kinds of technologies will herald in great improvements in safety, efficiency, and cost, while creating a new class of poor, unemployed workers. If the government doesn't proactively address it (something it's been very poor at doing in the past several decades) it's a recipe for massive social unrest, the kind we haven't seen since the civil rights era.

Trucker is already a bad job. As in a really bad job. Well paying, but keeps people from their families for significant lengths of time (which may be a benefit to some), has them work dangerous hours, has huge penalties for things often beyond their control, etc.

I don't know how we help truckers today, but there's a good reason to make sure we don't have any new truckers.

jdreyer wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 12:22:
Gotta agree with Cutter. These kinds of technologies will herald in great improvements in safety, efficiency, and cost, while creating a new class of poor, unemployed workers. If the government doesn't proactively address it (something it's been very poor at doing in the past several decades) it's a recipe for massive social unrest, the kind we haven't seen since the civil rights era.

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 14:10:
It's gonna be like Hunger Games, where all the plebs have nothing to do but live off the land or entertain the ultra rich.

Cutter wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 12:00:

Morris, of Embark, says this lack of research is partly out of necessity. “It’s much easier to measure the things that you have now that might go away,” says Morris. “It’s much harder to measure the things that will be created through innovation.” Cars might have killed the buggy whip industry, but they created jobs in the hospitality industry, the oil and gas industry ... and trucking.

And that's true in reverse. All the ancillary jobs related to trucking will be lost as well. So you're talking several million people here. If the government isn't doing anything about it that's the sort of thing that foments massive crimes precipitating bloody revolution. Especially if neural nets/AI start replacing white collar workers in the same way as expected. Then you start looking at 10s to 100s of millions out of work, billions around the planet. And no one has any money to spend on the products and services that they've been replaced in and the economy collapses to boot. So I don't see how that can possibly work without the invention of matter replicators like in Star Trek. It doesn't seem to me that any of the companies that want to implement these sorts of automation are taking any of this into account. That somehow countries full of unemployed people will somehow automagically keep the various economies going.

Morris, of Embark, says this lack of research is partly out of necessity. “It’s much easier to measure the things that you have now that might go away,” says Morris. “It’s much harder to measure the things that will be created through innovation.” Cars might have killed the buggy whip industry, but they created jobs in the hospitality industry, the oil and gas industry ... and trucking.

swedishfriend wrote on Nov 17, 2017, 10:25:
The Tesla trucks do not drive themselves. They have automatic safety features. In a convoy they are twice as cheap as diesel and even cheaper than trains so I would imagine there to be a need for more truckers until the trucks do drive themselves.