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I had a dentist appointment yesterday, but I got a call from the office to postpone it until next week. I joked with the young lady who called that I have a 48-hour cancellation policy, so I was going to have to charge them. She thought this was delightful, and promised to tell the doctor. Then I got a call about 45 minutes later, saying they had received the lab delivery that provoked the setback, so I could come in sooner if I wanted. I asked if my original appointment was still available, and was told it was already filled. Had I called them to cancel the appointment with three hours notice, the indeed would have charged me for my appointment, but in this case they were able to find someone to take my appointment in the time it takes to get a pizza delivered. It really does make me want to print up a bill for them.

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4. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2017, 11:59 Beamer
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 9, 2017, 11:47:
Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2017, 11:04:
Man, Kevin Spacey is DONE.
I have to say the whole explosion of sexual harassment charges in the news has me wondering a bit. Is it just me?

I read this stuff and it just doesn't fit into my life experience. I have neither witnessed nor heard personal accounts of these types of actions. And I'd like to think if I did witness it, I'd step in and say something. I don't think I've ignored it -- but it sounds so damn common I wonder if I have been blissfully ignorant?

1) I'd wager you have seen some awful things happen, but didn't fully realize they were awful at the time. You may have laughed with them. In a lot of these circumstances, the victims were laughing along with it because it was easier than saying something. That isn't consent

2) Or the repercussions seem worse than the actions. Early in my career I shared an office with a girl about my age, so figure 26 or so. Very, very cute, bubbly, perky. One of the senior guys, figure twice her age, was working with me on a few things and would often come into the office to speak with me. Invariably, he would start giving her a back massage as she sat in her seat. No comments, he'd just start. She loathed it, but was concerned about what would happen to her career if she said something. He wasn't being lecherous, and seemed to think he was just being friendly, but it was unwanted touching regardless. I didn't speak up, either, for the same reasons she didn't. He was powerful, it could be a career ender, and while it was unwanted did it really cross the line? In retrospect yeah, it did


3) For bigger work stuff, women often don't want to speak up because, again, career. Maybe they get harassed and sue. Maybe they win a settlement. But will the specter of being a complainer linger over her? Will she constantly have the reputation as someone that makes too big a deal of things, or of being a "greedy bitch," or a troublemaker, and have that really hinder her ability to find new jobs? In a lot of cases, again, the woman just decides it's better to laugh something off then be a troublemaker, especially if it's an industry that has a culture of this (any industry that is male-dominated and personality-dominated likely has this. Mortgage companies, small law firms, trading firms, etc., where the man thinks the business he brings in makes him virtually untouchable.)

Much of this happened behind closed doors, except for minor things like a little group, and often the woman just laughed with that because she didn't know what to do, so no one stepped up.

For the bigger stuff, behind closed doors, think about Weinstein for a second. He was one of the most connected and powerful men in Hollywood. If you angered him, he'd never cast you again. His friends would probably never cast you again. If you didn't have rock solid proof it would be your word against his, and his word carried weight. Even that woman that went to the cops and wore a wire got no help.
No one ever feels that it's worth risking their entire career. Say you're a 40 year old cameraman in Hollywood and see something. If you say something, then what? There's a good chance you lose your career, and then what? What other skills do you have to go elsewhere?

But I think we're at a turning point where the powerful people enforcing this stuff are losing their careers and lives, years later, rather than the victims or those supporting the victims doing so.
 
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