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Out of the Blue

It's election day here in the U.S., one of those off-year deals that do not involve the federal government. The big deal this year are two gubernatorial races, but there's an old saying made famous by Tip O'Neill "that all politics is local." I'm not sure actually refers to voting in local elections, but that's the sentiment that's carrying me to the polls today.

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18. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 9, 2017, 09:06 Scheherazade
 
Orogogus wrote on Nov 8, 2017, 22:10:
Scheherazade wrote on Nov 8, 2017, 21:27:
Foregrip :
https://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/041006-openletter-nfa-adding-vertical-fore-grip.html

(NFA violations generally come in the form of a few years + $100'000 in fines. The pistol+foregrip combo is just one example I like. There is literally a phone book worth of federal firearm regulations that can land you in jail - almost all of which don't require that you even harm anyone. Most non-gun-owners [and ignorant weekend gun buyers that only go as far as squirreling away a pistol in the closet] are unaware these laws even exist [and only find out after they post a picture to facebook, and someone either warns them or they get a knock on the door].)

I don't know if it's changed since 2006, but that link suggests that it's legal after you've register your intent to modify the weapon.

The takeaway is : Most people don't even know that it's a serious crime to put a fore grip on a pistol. Which is how people get into big trouble over innocuous alterations.

Yes, that's how the NFA works. You pay $200, wait 7 months, and you now have a registered weapon.

That's also how you legally acquire a machine gun manufactured before 1986 [plus the $25K they usually cost].
For machine guns made after 1986, you need a corporation with a manufacturer's class 7 FFL, SOT and contracts with police/military, and a request for manufacture from police/military for at minimum demonstration purposes.
Mishandling your pistol with fore grip makes you subject to the same penalties as mishandling a chaingun.

With all the pitfalls of a registered weapon, most people don't want to have registered weapons.

A) There are legal access restraints that you need to guard. So you have to do things like form a trust that owns the firearm and put everyone in your house on the trust. Otherwise you gotta make sure no one else knows your safe combo to where you store the item, otherwise when you leave home and someone else knows the combo they are now the illegal custodian. (Don't have to worry about this with a normal firearm)

B) It's a serious crime to be _not_ in possession of the registered firearm. So, loaning it to your brother would be a crime. As would misplacing it among a collection. Point is, if the ATF asks that you show the item, and you can't find it, you go to jail. (Don't have to worry about this with a normal firearm)

C) Some people don't like being on an owners list. They worry about events like Katrina, and Virgin Islands, where guns were either confiscated or ordered for confiscation during a time of crisis (when people most needed them). Furthermore, you can't hide a registered weapon, because you're already in trouble if you can't produce it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLm5kkBgKSM
https://www.snopes.com/virgin-islands-order-seizure-weapons-irma/
(Granted, the local police already know who purchased firearms from the NICS check records [which nobody actually deletes when they expire], and from the 4473 form that dealers fill out, so it's less of a difference on this point.)

Basically, for a "normal" firearm, doing anything that would NFA the item just isn't worth the trouble.

-scheherazade

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17. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 8, 2017, 22:10 Orogogus
 
Scheherazade wrote on Nov 8, 2017, 21:27:
Foregrip :
https://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/041006-openletter-nfa-adding-vertical-fore-grip.html

(NFA violations generally come in the form of a few years + $100'000 in fines. The pistol+foregrip combo is just one example I like. There is literally a phone book worth of federal firearm regulations that can land you in jail - almost all of which don't require that you even harm anyone. Most non-gun-owners [and ignorant weekend gun buyers that only go as far as squirreling away a pistol in the closet] are unaware these laws even exist [and only find out after they post a picture to facebook, and someone either warns them or they get a knock on the door].)

I don't know if it's changed since 2006, but that link suggests that it's legal after you've register your intent to modify the weapon.
 
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16. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 8, 2017, 21:27 Scheherazade
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 8, 2017, 18:25:
Scheherazade wrote on Nov 8, 2017, 09:53:
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 11:06:
Well, regardless of what started the feud, 5 broken ribs and some bruised lungs? That's a very good tackle.

I'm picturing good jog, breaking into a spring the last few steps, then shoulder down, right into the side. Clearly he followed Paul to the ground as well. Too bad it's two 50+ year old idiots in a gated community, otherwise there would be a Youtube Worldstar video of it, I'm sure.


What blows my mind : misdemeanor

In a world where :
- Farting in the presence of a cop gets you a felony assault charge
- Attaching a "vertical grip" to the accessory rail of a legally owned pistol gets you a felony with years in fed jail and hundreds of thousands of dollars penalty
...
Breaking 5 ribs is a misdemeanor?

wtf?

-scheherazade

Do you have links to the first two stories? I've never heard of either.

Fart :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQj7saRG7wQ

Foregrip :
https://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/041006-openletter-nfa-adding-vertical-fore-grip.html

(NFA violations generally come in the form of a few years + $100'000 in fines. The pistol+foregrip combo is just one example I like. There is literally a phone book worth of federal firearm regulations that can land you in jail - almost all of which don't require that you even harm anyone. Most non-gun-owners [and ignorant weekend gun buyers that only go as far as squirreling away a pistol in the closet] are unaware these laws even exist [and only find out after they post a picture to facebook, and someone either warns them or they get a knock on the door].)

-scheherazade

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15. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 8, 2017, 18:25 jdreyer
 
Scheherazade wrote on Nov 8, 2017, 09:53:
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 11:06:
Well, regardless of what started the feud, 5 broken ribs and some bruised lungs? That's a very good tackle.

I'm picturing good jog, breaking into a spring the last few steps, then shoulder down, right into the side. Clearly he followed Paul to the ground as well. Too bad it's two 50+ year old idiots in a gated community, otherwise there would be a Youtube Worldstar video of it, I'm sure.


What blows my mind : misdemeanor

In a world where :
- Farting in the presence of a cop gets you a felony assault charge
- Attaching a "vertical grip" to the accessory rail of a legally owned pistol gets you a felony with years in fed jail and hundreds of thousands of dollars penalty
...
Breaking 5 ribs is a misdemeanor?

wtf?

-scheherazade

Do you have links to the first two stories? I've never heard of either.
 
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14. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 8, 2017, 09:53 Scheherazade
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 11:06:
Well, regardless of what started the feud, 5 broken ribs and some bruised lungs? That's a very good tackle.

I'm picturing good jog, breaking into a spring the last few steps, then shoulder down, right into the side. Clearly he followed Paul to the ground as well. Too bad it's two 50+ year old idiots in a gated community, otherwise there would be a Youtube Worldstar video of it, I'm sure.


What blows my mind : misdemeanor

In a world where :
- Farting in the presence of a cop gets you a felony assault charge
- Attaching a "vertical grip" to the accessory rail of a legally owned pistol gets you a felony with years in fed jail and hundreds of thousands of dollars penalty
...
Breaking 5 ribs is a misdemeanor?

wtf?

-scheherazade
 
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13. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 8, 2017, 09:41 Scheherazade
 
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 20:53:
In Backlash To Trump, Democrat Ralph Northam Wins Virginia Governor's Race
And that's just the good news.

VA was already skewed Dem before Trump. A Rep win would have been a statistical upset.
I wouldn't attribute the Dem win to backlash - rather the magnitude of the margin.

-scheherazade

 
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12. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 7, 2017, 23:45 NKD
 
The best part was Trump endorsing the guy after he won the primary, but then attacking him on Twitter after he lost. Even though the guy pivoted from more moderate views over to full Trump bullshit to try and win over the rest of the base.  
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The solution to the toxicity of identity politics surely isn't to add white identity politics to the mix.
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10. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 7, 2017, 19:44  Blue 
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 17:51:
While I'm glad you get out and do your Civic duty, will you live there long enough to experience the results of the election?


Hopefully not, but at this rate who knows?
 
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9. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 7, 2017, 19:03 NKD
 
NegaDeath wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 18:23:

Bah gawd, that man has a family!

As Ayn Rand is my witness, he's broken in half!!! Stop the damn match!
 
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8. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 7, 2017, 18:23 NegaDeath
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 11:06:
Well, regardless of what started the feud, 5 broken ribs and some bruised lungs? That's a very good tackle.

I'm picturing good jog, breaking into a spring the last few steps, then shoulder down, right into the side. Clearly he followed Paul to the ground as well. Too bad it's two 50+ year old idiots in a gated community, otherwise there would be a Youtube Worldstar video of it, I'm sure.

Bah gawd, that man has a family!

jdreyer wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 17:55:
Rand might also want to get his bone density checked. Just sayin'

Ingesting calcium rich foods is socialism for bones.
 
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7. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 7, 2017, 17:55 jdreyer
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 11:06:
Well, regardless of what started the feud, 5 broken ribs and some bruised lungs? That's a very good tackle.

I'm picturing good jog, breaking into a spring the last few steps, then shoulder down, right into the side. Clearly he followed Paul to the ground as well. Too bad it's two 50+ year old idiots in a gated community, otherwise there would be a Youtube Worldstar video of it, I'm sure.

Rand might also want to get his bone density checked. Just sayin'
 
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6. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 7, 2017, 17:51 jdreyer
 
While I'm glad you get out and do your Civic duty, will you live there long enough to experience the results of the election?

 
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5. Re: Unboxing a $500 LED Nov 7, 2017, 16:30 Mr. Tact
 
Sort of interesting but a little weird. There are so many technologies out there you really never see in "ordinary" life.  
Truth is brutal. Prepare for pain.
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4. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 7, 2017, 16:06 Cutter
 
Always thought that was a strange word, gubernatorial. How does that come about from governor? They should just call them gubners, that run the gubment.
 
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3. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 7, 2017, 11:13 Mr. Tact
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 7, 2017, 11:06:
... otherwise there would be a Youtube Worldstar video of it, I'm sure.
I was kind of wondering if there might be security camera footage, but haven't heard anything to indicate that...
 
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2. Re: Landscaping Drama...Rand Paul Nov 7, 2017, 11:06 MoreLuckThanSkill
 
Well, regardless of what started the feud, 5 broken ribs and some bruised lungs? That's a very good tackle.

I'm picturing good jog, breaking into a spring the last few steps, then shoulder down, right into the side. Clearly he followed Paul to the ground as well. Too bad it's two 50+ year old idiots in a gated community, otherwise there would be a Youtube Worldstar video of it, I'm sure.

 
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1. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 7, 2017, 10:49 RedEye9
 

I lost count but that seemed like more than eight things. pretty cool.
 
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