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12. Re: Evening Tech Bits Nov 4, 2017, 17:55 Orogogus
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 4, 2017, 01:51:
Orogogus wrote on Nov 3, 2017, 22:54:
What's a comparable consumer tech that ran with overpriced, underpowered enthusiast models for less than 2 years?
Things like Blu-Ray, TV's.

The PS3 was one of the earliest Blu-Ray players, and that thing lasted 7 years. As far as flatscreen TVs go, the graphic at the top of this page, if accurate, suggests a 2 year cycle more than 1 year to me, if not 3-4 years. In 1 year, sizes went up a little and the prices went down a little. In 3 years, the same amount of money would get you a substantially larger screen.

I'm just not really seeing the 1 year cycle. The iPhone is the whaliest piece of consumer electronics ever with fanbase dedication beyond all reason, and that thing's barely on a 1-2 year cycle. Expecting anything else to match that just doesn't seem reasonable to me.
 
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11. Re: Evening Tech Bits Nov 4, 2017, 01:51 HorrorScope
 
Orogogus wrote on Nov 3, 2017, 22:54:
What's a comparable consumer tech that ran with overpriced, underpowered enthusiast models for less than 2 years?
Things like Blu-Ray, TV's.
 
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10. Re: Evening Tech Bits Nov 3, 2017, 22:54 Orogogus
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 3, 2017, 21:42:
In regards to a quick 2nd gen... those who buy first gen are the whales/supporters. In CE they've been getting treated like that from the start. They buy first, they buy high. But CE typically comes out quickly with an improved cheaper model. I feel this needs to follow CE standards, which Valve/Facebook haven't, I think it has hurt. There are too many on the fence for V2 and if it were out, they would have grabbed them and kept the market hot. Now it is on simmer, too many waiting. That is a problem. I was holding out for V2 if the prices didn't come down, they came down and they have grabbed several like me, but still big chunk is waiting.

I think only the whaliest of whales would have jumped in Gen 1 if everyone knew Gen 2 would be out within a year, and Gen 3 a year after that. What's a comparable consumer tech that ran with overpriced, underpowered enthusiast models for less than 2 years? EGA was around for 3 years. The AdLib sold for 3 years before the Sound Blaster came on the market.

I feel like until the cost is more like $200, they really have to make sure that the whales (like me) buy into their next gen. I'd certainly have reservations about dropping $800 year after year.

Also, unless VR just gives up on the desktop space and goes mobile/standalone only, I don't see how they can really achieve next gen resolution gains without a corresponding jump in desktop PC power. We got that jump this gen, but there's not really another one on the immediate horizon, is there?
 
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9. Re: Morning Tech Bits Nov 3, 2017, 21:43 HorrorScope
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Nov 3, 2017, 16:01:
Slick wrote on Nov 3, 2017, 13:21:
that shit needs time to bake properly or else you'll get another half-asses "standing VR" from oculus that was never meant to exist.

Agreed 100%. I want them take whatever time they need to get it right. VR has more potential than pretty much any other tech/gadgets that have come to PC in the past many decades, and will flourish if the experience is the kind of amazeballs experience everyone is telling their friends about.

I think we need to treat it like all other HW. You come out with the best you can and sell it. If you wait it will never happen. They have it right, they just have to keep improving on product and cost.
 
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8. Re: Evening Tech Bits Nov 3, 2017, 21:42 HorrorScope
 
In regards to a quick 2nd gen... those who buy first gen are the whales/supporters. In CE they've been getting treated like that from the start. They buy first, they buy high. But CE typically comes out quickly with an improved cheaper model. I feel this needs to follow CE standards, which Valve/Facebook haven't, I think it has hurt. There are too many on the fence for V2 and if it were out, they would have grabbed them and kept the market hot. Now it is on simmer, too many waiting. That is a problem. I was holding out for V2 if the prices didn't come down, they came down and they have grabbed several like me, but still big chunk is waiting.  
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7. Re: Morning Tech Bits Nov 3, 2017, 16:01 Mordecai Walfish
 
Slick wrote on Nov 3, 2017, 13:21:
that shit needs time to bake properly or else you'll get another half-asses "standing VR" from oculus that was never meant to exist.

Agreed 100%. I want them take whatever time they need to get it right. VR has more potential than pretty much any other tech/gadgets that have come to PC in the past many decades, and will flourish if the experience is the kind of amazeballs experience everyone is telling their friends about.
 
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6. Re: Morning Tech Bits Nov 3, 2017, 14:20 Orogogus
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 3, 2017, 12:38:
You can't beat that, it's free to you, better than tempting, a no-brainer. I to was holding out for gen-2, but when Oculus dropped to $400 I bit. It isn't like I can't get a better VR headset in the future and pass the set(s) I have now down, we are pc gamers. I will repeat myself, the vendors have dropped the ball, they aren't consumer electronic companies and they should have had gen-2 ready to go not long after gen-1's release, that is how you build a market. Gen-2 should have been a bit better and much cheaper. We should be sitting here talking about gen-3 by now.

Eh. The first gen has only been out for a year and a half. I don't think we know anything about the video cards that will power the next gen VR headsets. I'm inclined to agree with Slick -- if Gen 2 were out now you'd find that most of the people who bought into Gen 1 at $800 a year ago, or at $400 now, wouldn't be ready to buy another headset right away, and the audience is probably still too small to count on an entire secondary core market to support an entire generation.

On the bright side, it seems like Valve's platform is open enough that Pimax and other companies can actually introduce higher-res headsets while using the same controllers and Lighthouses, so that's pretty cool.
 
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5. Re: Morning Tech Bits Nov 3, 2017, 13:21 Slick
 
I disagree that they should have had gen 2 ready to go shortly after gen 1 in order to "build a market".

I think all that would have done is shit on all the people who had been waiting years, finally, for the commercial release of consumer VR.

Also Gen 2 is going to have a lot of upgrades. different focal points, depth, eye tracking, high rez screens, and probably wireless as standard. It's not coming out too soon, and that's good, all that shit needs time to bake properly or else you'll get another half-asses "standing VR" from oculus that was never meant to exist.
 
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4. Re: Morning Tech Bits Nov 3, 2017, 12:38 HorrorScope
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Nov 2, 2017, 23:10:
Slick wrote on Nov 2, 2017, 21:27:
That's an insane deal for the Vive. Basically getting a 1070 and a $60 game for free.

Even enticing for someone like me, as I've been holding out for gen-2 headsets.. and my buddy wants me to build him a system so I could put the 1070 towards that and bill him retail cost for it, as I already have a 980ti and don't really have any need for the 1070. Tempting.

You can't beat that, it's free to you, better than tempting, a no-brainer. I to was holding out for gen-2, but when Oculus dropped to $400 I bit. It isn't like I can't get a better VR headset in the future and pass the set(s) I have now down, we are pc gamers. I will repeat myself, the vendors have dropped the ball, they aren't consumer electronic companies and they should have had gen-2 ready to go not long after gen-1's release, that is how you build a market. Gen-2 should have been a bit better and much cheaper. We should be sitting here talking about gen-3 by now.
 
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3. Re: Evening Tech Bits Nov 3, 2017, 00:02 HorrorScope
 
Wow that is quite the deal.  
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2. Re: Morning Tech Bits Nov 2, 2017, 23:10 Mordecai Walfish
 
Slick wrote on Nov 2, 2017, 21:27:
That's an insane deal for the Vive. Basically getting a 1070 and a $60 game for free.

Even enticing for someone like me, as I've been holding out for gen-2 headsets.. and my buddy wants me to build him a system so I could put the 1070 towards that and bill him retail cost for it, as I already have a 980ti and don't really have any need for the 1070. Tempting.
 
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1. Re: Evening Tech Bits Nov 2, 2017, 21:27 Slick
 
That's an insane deal for the Vive. Basically getting a 1070 and a $60 game for free.  
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