Verno wrote on Nov 2, 2017, 16:08:
derp

Verno, get his through your thick skull, i have never made a post in this forum condoning sexual assault.
You're either a troll or a psycho, I can't figure out which but I'm not tolerating it anymore.

Nope wrong as usual, it's literally the same situation with the gender changed. You have some fucking nerve chasing me around after condoning sexual assault the other day and making a disgusting crack about "bad man touching you". You're either a troll or a psycho, I can't figure out which but I'm not tolerating it anymore.

Verno wrote on Nov 2, 2017, 09:03:
I notice you conveniently didn't answer my question about what you would do if that was your teenage daughter ... Continues on with ad hominem attack

Simple reason no one has responded to your statement is because a straw man question is not worthy of answering.

NamecaF wrote on Nov 2, 2017, 00:44:
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? You lot are like that fucking episode of the Orville, judging by media (social and network alike) without all the facts. So far all they are the accusations of one man. Fuck you all.

Innocent people don't tend to apologize right away in the media and that's where he is being accused, not in a court.

I don't subscribe to automatic belief but when the person accused starts apologizing its pretty hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I notice you conveniently didn't answer my question about what you would do if that was your teenage daughter because then you would have to face your own hypocrisy and actually deal with it. You have no spine.

NKD wrote on Nov 2, 2017, 03:14:

NamecaF wrote on Nov 2, 2017, 00:44:
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Last I checked that only applies to the justice system, and no one here is calling for Kevin Spacey to be locked up. At least that I've seen.

Innocent until proven guilty has never applied to the rest of life. Accusations have always come with consequences that aren't contingent on a conviction in a court of law. Yeah, sometimes false accusations are going to fuck someone up, and it sucks, but that's how it's always been and how it will always be.

It's society's way of dealing with scumbags who have good lawyers. No lawyer can save your reputation.

Also it's accusations of like 3 or 4 men at this point.

Perfectly put.

NamecaF wrote on Nov 2, 2017, 00:44:
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Last I checked that only applies to the justice system, and no one here is calling for Kevin Spacey to be locked up. At least that I've seen.

Innocent until proven guilty has never applied to the rest of life. Accusations have always come with consequences that aren't contingent on a conviction in a court of law. Yeah, sometimes false accusations are going to fuck someone up, and it sucks, but that's how it's always been and how it will always be.

It's society's way of dealing with scumbags who have good lawyers. No lawyer can save your reputation.

Also it's accusations of like 3 or 4 men at this point.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? You lot are like that fucking episode of the Orville, judging by media (social and network alike) without all the facts. So far all they are the accusations of one man. Fuck you all.

Darks wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 09:04:

Pigeon wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 08:34:

Luke wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 06:07:

NamecaF wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 00:16:
All this knee-jerk over-reaction and PC, social media bullshit is getting out of hand. Netflix have just lost a lot of respect with their handling of all this.

That's what happens when people have waaaaaay to much spare time

Flush men is the new black so followwww

So people not wanting to work with a child molester is out of control PC? The fact it happened years ago doesn't change what happened. It also means he got away with it for years, and it only came out now because an environment exists where the victim won't automatically be stiffled.

I dont condom any of this type of crap. but the real question is, why is this now just coming out? Thats what urks me to no end.

Whats the real motive behind this coming out so late and now?

Most likely he tried to extort Spacey for money and he refused. and didn't get the payout he wanted.

A couple of things. First, it's a snowball effect. People have known for decades about people like Weinstein and Spacey. The predatory behavior in Hollywood is legendary (Corey Feldman has been shouting from the rooftops for years about the way directors have been abusing young boys, ditto that for Rose McGowan and Weinstein). And the vast majority of the people who would normally focus the outrage haven't cared, because of the power, influence, and politics of the people doing it.

Then Harvey Weinstein's brother wants to eject Harvey from the company they founded, primarily because they hate each other and the company is tanking. A story that has been spiked 2 times earlier gets the green light (with leaked info) and Harvey is in the spotlight. You have real victims like Rose McGowan (who has been consistent in her allegations for years, but no one would listen) to back it up, and suddenly, now that his power is gone and he's no longer a gateway to stardom, Harvey gets in the crosshairs.

Here's where it gets interesting. Along with the obvious victims who have been vocal all along, you start to get the victims who were too afraid to talk. Everyone in Hollywood knows about Harvey and his sleaziness, so now the spotlight is on the other actresses who have worked with him. That's when you see the pile-on happen. What actress is going to say, "Of course I blew him for a part in his movies! Five minutes of discomfort have translated into a lifetime of wealth and fame that you couldn't dream of!"? All of the women who worked with him now have to position themselves on the side of "disturbed, but afraid to talk" as opposed to "willing to tickle his balls for fame." Thus the flood of accusations, as everyone wants to position themselves in the best light. And thus the normal holier-than-thou screechers (who were perfectly willing to ignore him so long as he was "their guy" ... see Clinton, Bill) now have the green light to condemn it all.

The problem with this kind of thing (for Hollywood) is that you can't direct an avalanche. As soon as the revelations start drawing news coverage, everyone who has been afraid to talk starts getting braver, and then it starts taking down the other pervs who are still profitable. Hence Kevin Spacey. And there will be more, because Hollywood is a cesspool. Wait until the pictures of Brian Singer (who is not shy about being photographed with boy-toys of questionable age) or the stars of Nickelodeon start appearing on the nightly news with stories of what they had to do at 14 or 16 to keep their jobs. Hopefully the coming flood will flush all of the human garbage out of Hollywood...

Pigeon wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 10:21:

NKD wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 09:49:

Darks wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 09:04:
I dont condom any of this type of crap. but the real question is, why is this now just coming out? Thats what urks me to no end.

The Weinstein thing has taken the cork out of the bottle. A lot of people have been coming forward with their experiences.

Because coming out previously meant that not only would people not believe you, but also that your acting career would be over. Now there are enough people coming out about this that it's adding legitimacy to their claims and any black-balling of an actor or actress is going to be under a lot of scrutiny.

I don't get why this is a hard concept for many people. If someone powerful does something to you, especially in an industry that's governed by power such as Hollywood, if people choose not to believe you it ends you. Not many people feel it's worth risking your career over such things.

Even outside Hollywood, why do so few rape or sexual assault victims come forward? Why do so few go to HR? Because they often feel it isn't worth the huge can of worms, everything from potentially being considered a risky hire to having your name dragged through the mud as all your exes end up as character witnesses in a courtroom saying that you got a thrill out of going out without panties on and therefore you must have deserved whatever Harvey Weinstein or whomever did to you.

Luke wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 06:07:

NamecaF wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 00:16:
All this knee-jerk over-reaction and PC, social media bullshit is getting out of hand. Netflix have just lost a lot of respect with their handling of all this.

That's what happens when people have waaaaaay to much spare time

Flush men is the new black so followwww

So people should keep themselves busy enough to ignore pedophilia?

Way to put political correctness on blast.

NamecaF wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 00:16:
All this knee-jerk over-reaction and PC, social media bullshit is getting out of hand. Netflix have just lost a lot of respect with their handling of all this.

If Kevin Spacey invited your 14 year old daughter to his hotel room, attempted to have sex with her against her wishes to the point where she had to forcibly flee the room and escaped only by chance, somehow I don't think this would be such a "knee jerk overreaction" situation.

The real shame of this is that he won't face charges to either clear his name or receive the punishment that might be deserved. I don't like this "tried in the press" stuff but that doesn't mean the behavior itself isn't totally awful. It isn't a question of automatic belief either, people don't tend to apologize when they've done nothing wrong.

NKD wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 09:49:

Darks wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 09:04:
I dont condom any of this type of crap. but the real question is, why is this now just coming out? Thats what urks me to no end.

The Weinstein thing has taken the cork out of the bottle. A lot of people have been coming forward with their experiences.

Because coming out previously meant that not only would people not believe you, but also that your acting career would be over. Now there are enough people coming out about this that it's adding legitimacy to their claims and any black-balling of an actor or actress is going to be under a lot of scrutiny.

Darks wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 09:04:
I dont condom any of this type of crap. but the real question is, why is this now just coming out? Thats what urks me to no end.

The Weinstein thing has taken the cork out of the bottle. A lot of people have been coming forward with their experiences.

Pigeon wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 08:34:

Luke wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 06:07:

NamecaF wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 00:16:
All this knee-jerk over-reaction and PC, social media bullshit is getting out of hand. Netflix have just lost a lot of respect with their handling of all this.

That's what happens when people have waaaaaay to much spare time

Flush men is the new black so followwww

So people not wanting to work with a child molester is out of control PC? The fact it happened years ago doesn't change what happened. It also means he got away with it for years, and it only came out now because an environment exists where the victim won't automatically be stiffled.

I dont condom any of this type of crap. but the real question is, why is this now just coming out? Thats what urks me to no end.

Whats the real motive behind this coming out so late and now?

Most likely he tried to extort Spacey for money and he refused. and didn't get the payout he wanted.

Luke wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 06:07:

NamecaF wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 00:16:
All this knee-jerk over-reaction and PC, social media bullshit is getting out of hand. Netflix have just lost a lot of respect with their handling of all this.

That's what happens when people have waaaaaay to much spare time

Flush men is the new black so followwww

So people not wanting to work with a child molester is out of control PC? The fact it happened years ago doesn't change what happened. It also means he got away with it for years, and it only came out now because an environment exists where the victim won't automatically be stiffled.

NamecaF wrote on Nov 1, 2017, 00:16:
All this knee-jerk over-reaction and PC, social media bullshit is getting out of hand. Netflix have just lost a lot of respect with their handling of all this.

That's what happens when people have waaaaaay to much spare time

Flush men is the new black so followwww

All this knee-jerk over-reaction and PC, social media bullshit is getting out of hand. Netflix have just lost a lot of respect with their handling of all this.

NKD wrote on Oct 31, 2017, 18:13:
Interesting that Netflix is suspending HoC production when it's the last season. Spacey probably has a contract where he gets paid regardless, so suspending production really only hurts the production crew. I wonder if something forced their hand, like maybe some people are refusing to work with Spacey.

This was my thought. This production involves hundreds of people. For an event that happened decades ago. You're really hurting a lot of people by doing this.

I was reading a couple of stories today that said Netflix suspended the production to consult with the cast and crew. Sounds like they're trying to figure out if people still want to work with him while they figure this out. Can't believe how quickly this moved.

Interesting that Netflix is suspending HoC production when it's the last season. Spacey probably has a contract where he gets paid regardless, so suspending production really only hurts the production crew. I wonder if something forced their hand, like maybe some people are refusing to work with Spacey.