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17. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 26, 2017, 10:13 Beamer
 
Verno wrote on Oct 26, 2017, 10:01:
Yeah that's a good point JD. People seem to forget the billion dollars that got pumped into MMOs that didn't pan out. Multiplayer is the darling of the moment, that doesn't mean this is sustainable in the long term.

Very rarely do you see companies create a compelling product that simply fails to sell without there being an obvious reason why. Some sequels are simply unnecessary and sell as such. Others are poorly timed to market, witness the glut of games hitting the shelves right now.

I don't care about a publishers ongoing revenue stream and I'm tired of hearing gamers make excuses for these companies. I am not a shareholder and frankly these companies can justify anything with the profit motivation. The industry existed before loot boxes/microtransactions and it can exist without them. They will eventually hit the wall on this shit, people don't have bottomless wallets. If prices need to rise then so be it, I would rather pay more for a quality product than this constant gouging.

I haven't really seen anyone make excuses, it's just explanations of inevitabilities. You can understand why something happens and still be disappointed by it.
 
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16. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 26, 2017, 10:01 Verno
 
Yeah that's a good point JD. People seem to forget the billion dollars that got pumped into MMOs that didn't pan out. Multiplayer is the darling of the moment, that doesn't mean this is sustainable in the long term.

Very rarely do you see companies create a compelling product that simply fails to sell without there being an obvious reason why. Some sequels are simply unnecessary and sell as such. Others are poorly timed to market, witness the glut of games hitting the shelves right now.

I don't care about a publishers ongoing revenue stream and I'm tired of hearing gamers make excuses for these companies. I am not a shareholder and frankly these companies can justify anything with the profit motivation. The industry existed before loot boxes/microtransactions and it can exist without them. They will eventually hit the wall on this shit, people don't have bottomless wallets. If prices need to rise then so be it, I would rather pay more for a quality product than this constant gouging.
 
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15. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 26, 2017, 07:17 jdreyer
 
Steele Johnson wrote on Oct 25, 2017, 21:36:
Didn't The Witcher 3 sell 25 million copies?

I agree that single-player games are a gamble, but only when you suck at making them.
Multi player games are a gamble as well. Witness Law Breakers.
 
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14. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 26, 2017, 00:21 NKD
 
Witcher 3 is held up as an example far too often. It's an outlier. It's like saying "You can make a successful MMO if you're good at making MMOs, just look at World of Warcraft."

Witcher 3 had a lot of stuff going for it that other games aren't going to have. Not the least of which is a dev studio that can put up a decent budget but is self-published and doesn't have to worry about publisher pressure. This, combined with whatever they make off GOG, lets them do a 5 year dev cycle on a single game.

They are going to be able to continue to make one game every 5-6 years, similar to how Bethesda does. Doing a AAA single player game right takes a long time and a lot of money. No one is worried that these types of studios are dying off. The concern is that they are going to be the only ones left other than indies making single-player games.

And that does seem to be the direction things are headed.
 
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13. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 21:42 Beamer
 
Steele Johnson wrote on Oct 25, 2017, 21:36:
Didn't The Witcher 3 sell 25 million copies?

I agree that single-player games are a gamble, but only when you suck at making them.
You can't use a game constantly argued as the best CRPG of all time as an example of "if you don't suck." Maybe Dishonored 2 would be an example of not sucking. It flopped.

The Witcher 3 is absolutely one of the peak single player games of all time. Do you think it has earned as much money as CSGo or Overwatch?
 
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12. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 21:41 Beamer
 
yonder wrote on Oct 25, 2017, 21:31:
Beamer wrote on Oct 25, 2017, 14:01:
A hit single player game makes money once

Who is being Cutter now? That's not only incredibly stupid but quantifiably false.

Only if you don't understand what I'm talking about.

Prove how it's false. Which do you think gets more repeat purchases? CSGo, which has an enormous amount of opportunities to ask for more money, or The Witcher 3, which has 2 times, and those 2 times are only for people that didn't buy the GOTY edition.

If CSGo, The Witcher 3, and Skyrim each sell $100,000,000 worth of the base game, which do you think brings in more money afterwards?

And which type do you think more frequently has a long tail not only of purchases, but of post-purchase purchases?
 
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11. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 21:36 Steele Johnson
 
Didn't The Witcher 3 sell 25 million copies?

I agree that single-player games are a gamble, but only when you suck at making them.
 
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10. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 21:31 yonder
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 25, 2017, 14:01:
A hit single player game makes money once

Who is being Cutter now? That's not only incredibly stupid but quantifiably false.
 
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9. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 19:28 jdreyer
 
WaltC wrote on Oct 25, 2017, 17:43:
The idea that single-player games "make money only once" is about as false as it can be...;) There are so many examples of single-player games making money a decade to even three decades or more past the initial sales period. CD PR's Witcher series is an excellent example, along with Larian's OS games, and many others. Gog still continues to sell 30-year old single player games, even! So, the sentiment is not true at all and never has been. It sounds to me much more like an excuse for not wanting to invest in quality single-player games--but rather cheap multiplayer games to turn larger profits--charging more for delivering less, basically. Sentiments like these are *one* of the reasons I've never owned an xBox and never will.
Right, Skyrim was on the Steam top 10 for how many years? When it fell off they released the enhanced version and sold a bunch more.
 
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8. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 17:43 WaltC
 
The idea that single-player games "make money only once" is about as false as it can be...;) There are so many examples of single-player games making money a decade to even three decades or more past the initial sales period. CD PR's Witcher series is an excellent example, along with Larian's OS games, and many others. Gog still continues to sell 30-year old single player games, even! So, the sentiment is not true at all and never has been. It sounds to me much more like an excuse for not wanting to invest in quality single-player games--but rather cheap multiplayer games to turn larger profits--charging more for delivering less, basically. Sentiments like these are *one* of the reasons I've never owned an xBox and never will.  
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7. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 15:48 sauron
 
Xbox’s head of publishing, Shannon Loftis, believes that single-player games aren’t dead or dying, but asserts that there are many questions surrounding how viable they are from an economic point of view. Loftis said that the costs of development will ‘spook’ developers from making single-player experiences, but she believes that they will continue to exist.

I think it's an interesting article, and she makes some good points. But then again, I'm currently playing Zelda:Breath of the Wild on Switch, and it's apparently sold more copies than there are Switch units, which is pretty amazing.

The game itself is insanely good - huge open world, addictive gameplay, lots and lots of details and secrets. I never thought I'd enjoy an RPG more than Skyrim and The Witcher 3, but this one is definitely better than Skyrim, at least in my opinion, and is either as good or maybe even slightly better than the Witcher 3, although they're pretty much neck and neck.
 
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6. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 14:01 Beamer
 
You're all being Cutter. If you read the article, she says the exact same things that everyone here says:

* Single player games will always be made and always be played

* But there's much more money to be made in multiplayer games, when they're successful. A hit single player game makes money once, a hit multiplayer game makes it endlessly

* As such, the biggest publishers are leaning more towards games that keep bringing in revenue, and midsize companies that just started often go there because it's easier to get funding when you can show a revenue stream with a long tail

* All that said, people will always want single player games and there will always be games there waiting for them, but compared to a decade ago they're earning less money and therefore less of a focus to the industry as a whole, even though still the sole focus to many devs

There's absolutely nothing controversial there.
 
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5. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 13:45 Porn-O-Matic
 
Just wait until they discover the cost of NOT making single-player games. Fucking idiots.  
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4. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 13:39 Verno
 
Dirwulf wrote on Oct 25, 2017, 13:17:
How sexist are you? Didn't even bother to read the article and assume the boss is a man...

Hahaha. Yep I glanced at the headline, Spencer has been saying similar things for awhile now. Yeah how dare I assume "Xbox boss" means you know, the actual boss of the Xbox division Phil Spencer. If it's that total fuck up Loftis at MGS then even better, basically ground their exclusives into nothing.

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3. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 13:17 Dirwulf
 
Verno wrote on Oct 25, 2017, 12:35:
Rather convenient of him to say that considering he's got nothing for his console launch and is instead "focused on great multiplayer experiences" aka slot machines.

How sexist are you? Didn't even bother to read the article and assume the boss is a man...
 
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2. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 12:35 Verno
 
Rather convenient of him to say that considering he's got nothing for his console launch and is instead "focused on great multiplayer experiences" aka slot machines.  
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1. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 25, 2017, 11:47 SpectralMeat
 
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