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4. Re: Evening Mobilization Oct 20, 2017, 19:24 NKD
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 20, 2017, 07:42:

People won't be buying these things, corporations will. Most people don't need a car, they need a ride. Even if you commute an hour each way to work, how long is the car sitting unused for in your day?

It's a lot of wasted economic opportunity in a car just sitting somewhere for hours on end. But the roads being full of fleets of on-demand cars, some available for private rides and some available for cheaper, smartly-routed shared rides (e.g., a much more effective version of Uber Share, since a router sends automated cars rather than whichever driver is near and clicks first) makes sense. Each car is being used much, much, much more often, and people make many small purchases instead of one large one. No maintenance, no worries, and you pay less over time.

Outside of truly rural areas, this is more or less where we'll be. And soon. Europe likely sooner.

Honestly I don't really see the use pattern changing much. Places where people tend to take public transportation, they will end up on automated public transportation. Places where people tend to drive their own cars, they'll have their own automated cars.

Automation will extend reasonable public transportation to somewhat less urban areas because of the cost savings on drivers, but it's not going to revolutionize suburbia into a place where you can get by without owning a car. For most people outside of the big cities it's still going to be the choice between a personal vehicle and being beholden to a bus schedule.
 
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3. Re: Evening Mobilization Oct 20, 2017, 13:35 Simon Says
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 20, 2017, 07:42:
NKD wrote on Oct 20, 2017, 03:18:
Trust is definitely important. It doesn't matter if self-driving cars result in 1/1000th the fatality rate of human driven cars if you can't get that fact into peoples heads in a way that instills confidence. They won't buy the cars if they don't trust them, and the technology won't save the lives we want it to unless it has widespread adoption.

I'm not sure what the solution is though. People hate giving up control. Then again, we already have lots of safety laws on vehicles. Maybe the solution is to simply have human-driven cars go the way of all the other stuff cars used to have that made them more dangerous.

The number of lives involved is pretty significant, and there's no Constitutional right to drive a motor vehicle that any laws would step on.

People won't be buying these things, corporations will. Most people don't need a car, they need a ride. Even if you commute an hour each way to work, how long is the car sitting unused for in your day?

It's a lot of wasted economic opportunity in a car just sitting somewhere for hours on end. But the roads being full of fleets of on-demand cars, some available for private rides and some available for cheaper, smartly-routed shared rides (e.g., a much more effective version of Uber Share, since a router sends automated cars rather than whichever driver is near and clicks first) makes sense. Each car is being used much, much, much more often, and people make many small purchases instead of one large one. No maintenance, no worries, and you pay less over time.

Outside of truly rural areas, this is more or less where we'll be. And soon. Europe likely sooner.

He's right you know^^, what we want isn't the car, we want the SERVICE the car provides, ownership could soon be superfluous and obsolete.
 
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2. Re: Evening Mobilization Oct 20, 2017, 07:42 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 20, 2017, 03:18:
Trust is definitely important. It doesn't matter if self-driving cars result in 1/1000th the fatality rate of human driven cars if you can't get that fact into peoples heads in a way that instills confidence. They won't buy the cars if they don't trust them, and the technology won't save the lives we want it to unless it has widespread adoption.

I'm not sure what the solution is though. People hate giving up control. Then again, we already have lots of safety laws on vehicles. Maybe the solution is to simply have human-driven cars go the way of all the other stuff cars used to have that made them more dangerous.

The number of lives involved is pretty significant, and there's no Constitutional right to drive a motor vehicle that any laws would step on.

People won't be buying these things, corporations will. Most people don't need a car, they need a ride. Even if you commute an hour each way to work, how long is the car sitting unused for in your day?

It's a lot of wasted economic opportunity in a car just sitting somewhere for hours on end. But the roads being full of fleets of on-demand cars, some available for private rides and some available for cheaper, smartly-routed shared rides (e.g., a much more effective version of Uber Share, since a router sends automated cars rather than whichever driver is near and clicks first) makes sense. Each car is being used much, much, much more often, and people make many small purchases instead of one large one. No maintenance, no worries, and you pay less over time.

Outside of truly rural areas, this is more or less where we'll be. And soon. Europe likely sooner.
 
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1. Re: Evening Mobilization Oct 20, 2017, 03:18 NKD
 
Trust is definitely important. It doesn't matter if self-driving cars result in 1/1000th the fatality rate of human driven cars if you can't get that fact into peoples heads in a way that instills confidence. They won't buy the cars if they don't trust them, and the technology won't save the lives we want it to unless it has widespread adoption.

I'm not sure what the solution is though. People hate giving up control. Then again, we already have lots of safety laws on vehicles. Maybe the solution is to simply have human-driven cars go the way of all the other stuff cars used to have that made them more dangerous.

The number of lives involved is pretty significant, and there's no Constitutional right to drive a motor vehicle that any laws would step on.
 
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